Seanad debates
Thursday, 5 July 2012
Order of Business (Resumed)
11:00 am
Denis O'Donovan (Fianna Fail)
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Senator Trevor Ó Clochartaigh wishes to raise a point of order.
Trevor Ó Clochartaigh (Sinn Fein)
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Ba mhaith liom iarradh ar an gCeannaire an ráiteas a rinne sé maidir leis An Bille Gaeltachta a tharraingt siar mar sílim go bhfuil sé maslach do phobal na Gaeilge agus na Gaeltachta an beag is fiú atá sé ag déanamh faoin díospóireacht tábhachtach atá ar siúl faoi láthair. Tá sé maslach go bhfuil an Rialtas ag cur baic ar dhíospóireacht daonlathach, oscailte agus cuimsitheach maidir leis na cúinsí seo ó thaobh na Gaeltachtaí de. Is mór an náire don Rialtas é go bhfuil a leithéid ar siúl
Denis O'Donovan (Fianna Fail)
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Níl sé ceart ná cóir sin a ardú anois. Ní pointe oird é.
Trevor Ó Clochartaigh (Sinn Fein)
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Ba mhaith liom go dtarraingeodh sé siar an ráiteas a rinne sé. Tá an rud adúirt sé faoi 56 bliain náireach. Tá sé ag déanamh beag is fiú -----
Caít Keane (Fine Gael)
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Bhí an ráiteas sin fíor. Dúirt sé -----
Trevor Ó Clochartaigh (Sinn Fein)
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Tá an Seanadóir féin ag maslú mhuintir na Gaeltachta.
Denis O'Donovan (Fianna Fail)
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With respect, Senator Ó Clochartaigh, tóg go bog é.
Trevor Ó Clochartaigh (Sinn Fein)
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Tá sibh ag maslú mhuintir na Gaeltachta. Tá sibh ag tarraingt acmhainní ó phobal na Gaeltachta ach níl sibh sásta é a phlé.
Denis O'Donovan (Fianna Fail)
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Senator Keane is not helping the situation. These are matters the Senator can debate with the Minister in a minute.
Trevor Ó Clochartaigh (Sinn Fein)
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Le cead, is é an Ceannaire a rinne an ráiteas. Táim ag iarraidh air an ráiteas, maidir le 56 bliain caite againn ag fanacht le Bille Gaeltachta agus go mbeidh muid 56 bliain eile ag plé na ceiste, a tharraingt siar.
Denis O'Donovan (Fianna Fail)
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Níl sé ceart nó cóir é sin a phlé ag an am seo.
Trevor Ó Clochartaigh (Sinn Fein)
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Níl an ráiteas ceart nó cóir agus ba chóir don Ceannaire é a tharraingt siar. Is mór an náire don Rialtas é.
Denis O'Donovan (Fianna Fail)
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Senator Diarmuid Wilson has moved an amendment to the Order of Business, "That a debate on the ongoing dispute at Lagan Brick be taken today."
The Seanad Divided:
For the motion: 14 (Sean Barrett, Thomas Byrne, David Cullinane, Mark Daly, Terry Leyden, Paschal Mooney, David Norris, Ned O'Sullivan, Trevor Ó Clochartaigh, Brian Ó Domhnaill, Averil Power, Kathryn Reilly, Mary White, Diarmuid Wilson)
Against the motion: 30 (Ivana Bacik, Paul Bradford, Terry Brennan, Colm Burke, Deirdre Clune, Eamonn Coghlan, Paul Coghlan, Michael Comiskey, Martin Conway, Maurice Cummins, Jim D'Arcy, Michael D'Arcy, Jimmy Harte, Aideen Hayden, James Heffernan, Lorraine Higgins, Caít Keane, John Kelly, Denis Landy, Marie Maloney, Mary Moran, Tony Mulcahy, Rónán Mullen, Michael Mullins, Catherine Noone, Susan O'Keeffe, Feargal Quinn, Tom Shehan, Jillian van Turnhout, John Whelan)
Tellers: Tá, Senators Ned O'Sullivan and Diarmuid Wilson; Níl, Senators Paul Coghlan and Susan O'Keeffe.
Amendment declared lost.
Denis O'Donovan (Fianna Fail)
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Is the Order of Business agreed?
Paschal Mooney (Fianna Fail)
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In light of the proposal by the Leader to guillotine one of the most important Bills to come before the House in 56 years we cannot possibly agree to the Order of Business. This Government enjoys the most unprecedented majority in the history of the State. If the Dáil cannot stop this Government from being anti-democratic this House has an obligation to do so. We are opposing the Order of Business on the basis of a very anti-democratic decision.
Brian Ó Domhnaill (Fianna Fail)
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This Bill constitutes a flagrant disregard for democracy. It is about pushing through the democratic principles we fought for before the Civil War. It is a disgrace.
The Seanad Divided:
For the motion: 27 (Ivana Bacik, Paul Bradford, Terry Brennan, Colm Burke, Deirdre Clune, Eamonn Coghlan, Paul Coghlan, Michael Comiskey, Martin Conway, Maurice Cummins, Jim D'Arcy, Michael D'Arcy, Jimmy Harte, Aideen Hayden, James Heffernan, Lorraine Higgins, Caít Keane, John Kelly, Denis Landy, Marie Maloney, Mary Moran, Tony Mulcahy, Michael Mullins, Catherine Noone, Susan O'Keeffe, Tom Shehan, John Whelan)
Against the motion: 17 (Sean Barrett, Thomas Byrne, David Cullinane, Mark Daly, Terry Leyden, Paschal Mooney, Rónán Mullen, David Norris, Ned O'Sullivan, Trevor Ó Clochartaigh, Brian Ó Domhnaill, Averil Power, Feargal Quinn, Kathryn Reilly, Jillian van Turnhout, Mary White, Diarmuid Wilson)
Tellers: Tá, Senators Paul Coghlan and Susan O'Keeffe; Níl, Senators Ned O'Sullivan and Diarmuid Wilson.
Question declared carried.
Denis O'Donovan (Fianna Fail)
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We will now move on to Bille na Gaeltachta.
Denis O'Donovan (Fianna Fail)
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There is no point in raising a point of order because the Order of Business has been agreed to. If the Senator has a point to make on the Bill, I suggest he makes it when the Minister of State is here.
Trevor Ó Clochartaigh (Sinn Fein)
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Tá sé scanallach go bhfuil an Rialtas ag cur coisc ar dhíospóireacht daonlathach sa Teach seo ar chúrsaí Gaeltachta. Taispeánann sin drochmheas. Ba cheart go mbeadh náire ar an gCeannaire.
Trevor Ó Clochartaigh (Sinn Fein)
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Níl sé fiú in ann mé a fhreagairt i nGaeilge. Is mór an náire dó é. Táthar ag tarraingt acmhainní ó phobal na Gaeilge agus na Gaeltachta agus ag cur coisc ar dhíospóireacht -----
Trevor Ó Clochartaigh (Sinn Fein)
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Dá mbeadh sé ag tarlú don Seanad, bheadh siad ag léimnigh suas agus anuas. Ba cheart go mbeadh náire orthu.
Thomas Byrne (Fianna Fail)
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Ar phointe oird, tháinig an tAire Airgeadais isteach sa Teach seo Dé Máirt agus dúirt sé nach raibh sé ceart reachtaíocht a chur tríd an Teach seo faoi dheifir. Níl sé ceart an reachtaíocht seo a chur tríd an Teach faoi dheifir agus bhí an ceart ag an Aire Airgeadais faoi sin.
Denis O'Donovan (Fianna Fail)
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Ní pointe oird é sin. All of these points should be made to the Minister of State when he arrives.