Donie Cassidy (Fianna Fail)
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The Order of Business is No. 1, referral to committee of four justice measures, to be taken without debate; No. 2, motion re Thornton prison, referral to committee; and No. 3, the substantive motion re development of a prison in the district electoral division of Kilsallaghan.

It is proposed that No. 1, motion re (i) a proposal for a Council decision on the improvement of co-operation between the special intervention units of the member states of the European Union in crisis situations, (ii) a proposal for a Council framework decision on taking account of convictions in the member states of the European Union in the course of new criminal proceedings, (iii) draft Council decision on the stepping up of cross-border co-operation, particularly in combating terrorism and cross-border crime, and (iv) a proposal for a Council framework decision on the protection of personal data processed in the framework of police and judicial co-operation in criminal matters, be referred to the Joint Committee on Justice, Equality, Defence and Women's Rights without debate at the conclusion of the Order of Business.

It is proposed that, notwithstanding anything in Standing Orders, the proceedings on No. 2 shall, if not previously concluded, be brought to a conclusion at 1.30 p.m. No. 3 shall be moved and discussed with No. 2 and shall stand adjourned at 1.30 p.m. Spokespersons may speak for ten minutes and all other Senators for seven minutes, and Senators may share time, by leave of the House.

Liam Twomey (Fine Gael)
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There is news we are hearing today that there will be a budget deficit of up to €8 billion this year. Given that growth rates are falling faster than a barometer reading before a storm, this is an issue of major concern. The Taoiseach is stating the national development plan is being prioritised but this is another way of stating cutbacks are due. To date, the collateral damage of the events the Taoiseach has been describing has affected sick children at Our Lady's Children's Hospital, Crumlin, and patients in day-care centres in his own constituency. These are the ones who have been receiving this prioritised treatment so far.

There is a serious need for this House to continue to have the range of debates it has been having on the economy. It is the failure to reform and cut back wasteful expenditure over recent years that is putting us in this position today. The Leader should arrange for regular debates on the economy so we can track what is happening. This is a very serious issue. The expected budget deficit this year of €8 billion reflects very different circumstances to those that obtained even last December. There is a predicted deficit next year of up to €10 billion, which demonstrates a considerable change in the economic outlook. Growth rates are dropping to 1% this year and there is a predicted growth rate of 2% for next year. If the present downturn continues, we could see ourselves in a recession very soon.

Paul Coghlan (Fine Gael)
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We are already in one.

Liam Twomey (Fine Gael)
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Members should wake up to what is happening. The House should have regular debates on the economy.

I ask the Leader to consider the possibility of using his party's Private Members' motion next week to discuss the issue of the Lisbon treaty. For many ordinary people, one of its most important features will be the Charter of Fundamental Rights. I have been surprised that many of those who oppose the treaty do not make more of this issue because it is a matter that should be debated at length in the House. As time is against Members, the Leader should give consideration to allowing his party to use its Private Members' time purely to debate the Charter of Fundamental Rights.

Joe O'Toole (Independent)
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I draw the attention of Members to one of the items that is being referred to the Oireachtas Joint Committee on Justice, Equality, Defence and Women's Rights. I refer to No. 22 on the Order Paper, which is based on section 12 of the Employment Equality Act 1998. Members should consider this because it is a serious matter. I have referred to this legislation many times, together with the Equal Status Act 2000. It is the one that, to my horror, allows discrimination to take place. When Members debated the Act during its passage through the Houses, I did not have a problem with the objective that they were trying to protect. However, I find appalling the manner in which it has been done. I do not object to what is being done in this case. The Church of Ireland College of Education is informing the House that it intends to reserve 32 places in the college for people of that ethos for the next number of years. No sane right-thinking person could object to that. I always have maintained that this should be possible without introducing regressive forms of legislation. I am not engaging in debate on this issue——

Pat Moylan (Fianna Fail)
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No. 22 is not being referred.

Joe O'Toole (Independent)
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I apologise as I thought it was one of the aforementioned four items. The Order Paper is very long. I was referring to No. 22 on the Order Paper, which was laid before the House yesterday. As I presume Members will come to it next week, I will make my point then. I apologise to the Cathaoirleach. It is a case of being overly-organised.

I completely agree with the point raised by Senator Twomey. Members must look seriously at where the country is going. The real test of a government is its performance when matters are going badly. Problems will be created if the Government begins to pull back from the national development plan. We must continue to build infrastructure to enable us get out of any recession and the national development plan should be given support.

If aspects of the plan require reconsideration, this should be done in a proper way. The national pay talks and partnership talks were set up to do so as they were born out of bad times in 1987. At a time when people are sitting around the table, they should be obliged to listen to the problems that have arisen. The Government should outline its problems, the other participants should do likewise and people should be obliged to listen to one another. I will outline what should not happen. Members may have heard a funny piece on "Morning Ireland" this morning when a representative from the Small Firms Association made an impassioned appeal in respect of the national development plan. He advocated reforming and cutting back on the public services and suggested that money should not be spent on various aspects of it. He suggested everyone else should be obliged to cut back and the Government should not spend money and should pull back on everything. He then was asked what the members of the Small Firms Association intended to do. Without a trace of irony and without drawing a second breath, he replied they would continue to do what they always did.

Such an attitude will destroy this country. Everyone should get stuck in to do his or her bit, the Small Firms Association included. Everyone must listen to and share their problems to find a common solution. National partnership talks are the ideal place in which to so do.

Dominic Hannigan (Labour)
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All Members were pleased to hear the wonderful news emanating from Croke Park that we appear to be in sight of introducing an international ban on cluster munitions, an issue that was debated in this House only last month. Praise must be given to the Government for hosting this conference. It was good to hear the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, Mr. Gordon Brown, confirm on the radio this morning that the United Kingdom would sign up. The United Kingdom's actions helped to influence others to come on board. However, three superpowers have not signed up, namely, America, Russia and China. They still lie outside the court of international opinion on this issue. Ireland can take steps to put pressure on them. For instance, our ambassadors in the aforementioned three countries can work on them through diplomatic channels. Moreover, most Members will have received this morning a letter from Amnesty International, from a former Member of this House, asking them to sign a petition. People also can contact their friends and families in the United States and ask them to try to contact the three remaining presidential candidates in an effort to include the issue in the presidential debate in that country. We now are in sight of securing an international ban and everyone can do his or her bit to make it a reality.

I read in Tuesday's edition of the Financial Times that Standard & Poor's have stated there has been a sharp rise in the number of people who now are in mortgage arrears even though the economy remains quite strong. However, with rising prices and increases in unemployment rates, there is a real concern that increasing numbers of people will fall into mortgage arrears. People have been encouraged for years to buy their own houses and now they need help.

I too am concerned about potential delays to the implementation of the national development plan. If anything, investment in the national development plan should be increased. If this entails arguing with the European Central Bank for a temporary derogation in the percentage of money that can be borrowed, that should be done. However, if investment is increased, it is important that it should be focused in certain areas. We must invest in education, broadband and transport infrastructure. Investment in those areas will bring more jobs and will guarantee that homeowners can pay their bills.

In the past I have called for a debate on the responsiveness of emergency units to accidents and Members will have observed that Dublin already has experienced gridlock several times this year. Another incident took place at 2.30 a.m. this morning when an accident occurred on the M1 at Swords. It had not been cleared up six hours later and consequently, the M1 was closed at peak hour and people still are sitting in their cars. As I speak, the tailbacks have reached Drogheda. This probably is the first Irish traffic jam that can be seen from space. People are missing business meetings and I spoke to one person this morning who was late for a hospital appointment. Moreover, people trying to reach the airport have missed flights. This issue must be tackled. I am fed up asking for a debate on emergency services and the manner in which they respond. It is vital to be able to clear up accidents as soon as possible. I again ask the Leader to arrange for a debate on this subject.

Déirdre de Búrca (Green Party)
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Like Senator Hannigan, I welcome the announcement that agreement was reached last night in Croke Park on the international treaty banning the use of cluster munitions or cluster bombs. The central role played by Ireland in organising this conference and in pushing forward the issue must be acknowledged, as must the role the United Kingdom is playing. It appears that its Prime Minister, Mr. Gordon Brown, is keen both to support the treaty and to try to persuade other significant world powers, such as the United States, China and Russia to consider embracing it. The only issue that remains to be clarified fully and which is important, pertains to what happens in the case of joint operations. My understanding from the news that broke this morning is that the ban on such cluster munitions in the 100 states that have signed up to it will have the effect of preventing them from participating in joint operations with other powers that use cluster munitions. Clarity on this issue would be welcome and the Leader might ascertain whether this is the case.

The other issue I wish to raise this morning is the Lisbon treaty, which is to the fore in everyone's mind. Members may have noticed this morning that my colleague, the Minister for Communications, Energy and Natural Resources, Deputy Eamon Ryan, has mentioned his concerns that failure to ratify the Lisbon treaty could derail the negotiations and progress made in respect of climate change agreements and talks. This also pertains to agreements on emissions reductions that the European Union has pursued proactively. Even in the short time that remains before the referendum on 12 June, the Leader should consider inviting the Minister for Communications, Energy and Natural Resources before the House to explain to Members the importance of the Lisbon treaty in addressing the issue of climate change, the present position of the negotiations and the direction in which he envisages them going, were the treaty to be ratified. In addition, the Minister could explain the issue of energy policy because a significant provision in the Lisbon treaty gives the European Union new competence in this regard. Ratification of the Lisbon treaty will result in significant attention and support being given to the promotion and development of the renewable energy sector across the European energy market. In addition, there will be much greater action on energy conservation.

Pat Moylan (Fianna Fail)
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The Senator has made her point.

Déirdre de Búrca (Green Party)
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The Leader of the House should consider, as a matter of urgency, asking the Minister for Communications, Energy and Natural Resources to address the House on this issue. I believe he considers it to be such an important issue that he would be willing to do so despite his busy schedule.

Paschal Donohoe (Fine Gael)
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There have been, rightly, many calls in this House in recent weeks for a debate on the level of retail pricing in Ireland because consumers feel ripped off. The debate was moved forward constructively yesterday, in terms of informing politicians of what is happening, by contributions made elsewhere on actions taken by the National Consumer Agency. In light of this further information I again ask the Leader to arrange a debate on this subject in the near future.

It is important that three points be covered in any debate that is organised. First, the response of some agencies to this matter is to call on consumers to shop around but the big issue we face in Ireland is not the difference in prices between supermarkets but the difference between levels of pricing in Ireland and outside Ireland. Calling on consumers to shop around misses the point and will not provide an adequate response to this matter.

Second, more and more people refer to the fact that prices in corner stores and similar outlets are high compared with other stores. It would be viciously ironic if those who paid the price for whatever happens in the future were the retailers in the small, independent, indigenous sector in Ireland. By and large, they do not contribute to the issues we face and we must have balance in recognising their needs.

The third and final point relates to the role of manufacturers in Ireland. The level of profits created by multinational manufacturers in Ireland, due to changes in the euro's exchange rate, has gone through the roof in recent years. Ensuring those profits are reinvested to deliver good value pricing in Ireland is probably the biggest thing any agency or Government could do to see that this issue is properly addressed. When the pressure is on and the cost of living is increasing exponentially, a more forensic analysis of what is happening and a more detailed response to the issue are necessary. I am concerned that some of these issues are being ignored at the moment and a debate could allow us to air them properly.

Labhrás Ó Murchú (Fianna Fail)
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I believe that in years to come the recent passing of the cluster munitions convention will be seen as an historic event. In spite of the absence of some of the superpowers, I genuinely believe that a moral milestone has been laid down that will be difficult to ignore in years to come. By hosting the event Ireland has enhanced its role as a moral beacon in world affairs and as a nation that is prepared to lay aside selfish ambitions for the common good and in defence of the human rights of people without a voice.

One can only describe cluster munitions as official terrorism and by engaging in this the international community, on which we depend to create stability, prevent conflict and promote human rights and peace, undermines its credibility and authority. Ireland can continue to play a role as 100 countries have now signed up to the convention. It is important we use every opportunity in official circles to put an end not only to cluster munitions but the whole underground business of weaponry. This area must be addressed because we all know some very shady deals have taken place over the years.

I hope that in the same way we took a stand on the invasion of Iraq and on other issues that did not have the imprimatur of the United Nations, we will take a stand in this case. Cluster munitions cause the indiscriminate killing and maiming of humans. Even after the event, those who must clear the ground are exposed to grave danger. We saw some of the victims at the convention in Croke Park. This matter cries out for justice on behalf of all who have an interest in promoting the global welfare of all people. I am glad that Ireland and Croke Park have been to the fore in this.

Ivana Bacik (Independent)
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I wish to ask the Leader for a debate on the level of integration of migrants in Ireland as this is an important issue. In the past week we celebrated Africa day and I understand it was a huge success that saw great events held, especially in Dublin's city centre. Last week, in light of Africa day, I had the pleasure to launch a report produced by AkiDwA, a network of African and other migrant women living in Ireland that has done great research work on the experiences of migrant women in Ireland and the ways in which integration could be improved for them. The report was on gender-based violence, particularly its incidence in the African community in Ireland, and how services here can best deal with violence in particular communities. One of the report's most important recommendations was that services here should be culturally specific when dealing with African women and women from other ethnic minorities.

In today's newspaper a further report, commissioned by the Immigrant Council of Ireland and published by UCD researchers, was referred to. That report found, alarmingly, that there are very low levels of integration of immigrants in Ireland from a number of different communities. It studied Nigerian, Chinese, Indian and Lithuanian communities in Ireland and made the point that many members of those communities would like greater social interaction with local residents but lacked the opportunity to do so. This is something AkiDwA has also highlighted. We have migrants living here with high levels of qualifications and skills but who are not using them. The skills of migrants tend to be overlooked and they can be left working in jobs beneath their qualifications. We need a debate on this matter to see how we can improve integration, upskill migrants and ensure they work in jobs appropriate to their skills.

Terry Leyden (Fianna Fail)
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Will the Leader of the House consider putting Senator Twomey's proposal relating to the Charter of Fundamental Rights on the Order Paper for Private Members' time next week? Next week could be a Lisbon reform treaty week in the House. Perhaps the Leader would agree that the issues we discussed yesterday could be debated on Thursday.

Those opposed to the Lisbon reform treaty rely on posters depicting three monkeys and Dustin the turkey to damage the "Yes" campaign. They are not using facts and figures and are not prepared to debate the reality of this situation. When there is a downturn in the economy the last thing we could want is to be outside the influence of the European Union and to lose our influence in it. One million jobs have been created here since 1973.

Pat Moylan (Fianna Fail)
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This can be included in the debate.

Terry Leyden (Fianna Fail)
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We have received €58 billion in Common Agricultural Policy, Structural and Cohesion Funds since 1973. The contribution has been huge.

Ireland has held the European Union Presidency on numerous occasions and in this regard we proved one of the most successful of the 27 member states. We can be proud of this. What would we gain by throwing away all of this? What has the "No" campaign said to convince any sane person to vote "No" on 12 June? Two weeks from today we face a major decision and I ask that next week be Lisbon reform treaty week in the Seanad. We will have the opportunity to discuss all of these issues and I hope people vote "Yes" on 12 June.

Eugene Regan (Fine Gael)
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I wish to follow up on what has been said regarding the Lisbon treaty. A new element has been introduced by an organisation, Cóir, relating to the primacy of EU law. Reference has been made by this organisation to a declaration 17 of the Lisbon treaty, which reiterates the existing position on the primacy of EU law. This is what we signed up to when we joined the European Union in 1973. The wording in our Constitution resulting from the referendum of 1972 states that no EU law can be invalidated if it is necessitated by our membership of the community. That principle was established before we entered the community by a court judgment, Costa v. ENEL, in 1964. The declaration refers to that case and implies that to have a community where EU law does not have primacy would be meaningless. Why adopt laws at European level if they cannot be applied and enforced throughout the community?

However, this has been misconstrued. On the basis of that false premise the organisation has suggested that the European Court could introduce abortion in Ireland——

David Norris (Independent)
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Does the Senator have a question for the Leader?

Eugene Regan (Fine Gael)
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I will respond to the Cathaoirleach's directions on that. I have a question for the Leader.

On the basis of this false premise this organisation is suggesting that abortion could be introduced by the European Court, although the court is in fact bound by the express wording of the Lisbon treaty, which specifically acknowledges the Irish constitutional prohibition of abortion. The organisation also suggests that same-sex marriage may be introduced in Ireland.

David Norris (Independent)
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Hear, hear.

Eugene Regan (Fine Gael)
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However, the wording of the Charter of Fundamental Rights, which forms part of the Lisbon treaty, specifically states that such issues will be decided in accordance with national law. Thus, it is for this House and the Dáil to decide on same-sex marriage.

It is also suggested that ratification of the Lisbon treaty could result in harmonisation of taxes, including corporation taxes. Again, the European Court of Justice has already pronounced on this issue in the case of Cadbury Schweppes, in which it was judged that tax competition is a reality and that resolving it is a political rather than a legal matter. In addition, we know that we have a veto on tax harmonisation. Perhaps it would be useful if a statement could be made by the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform——

Pat Moylan (Fianna Fail)
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We heard this in the debate on the Lisbon treaty. I was looking for questions to the Leader.

Eugene Regan (Fine Gael)
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I have a specific question for the Leader. This is a matter which has to do with the interpretation of the Constitution and the existing legal position. It would be helpful if the Attorney General could issue a view on this and a statement clarifying the position.

Senator Norris has a bee in his bonnet about the provisions on neutrality in the Lisbon treaty. The President of the European Parliament, when he came to the House, confirmed that Ireland is entitled to maintain its neutrality. There are express provisions in the Lisbon treaty to that effect. There are provisions in our own Constitution. In the debate next week——

David Norris (Independent)
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We are having it now, apparently.

Eugene Regan (Fine Gael)
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I ask that the relevant Minister come to the House to address this issue and allay the concerns of Senator Norris.

Pat Moylan (Fianna Fail)
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The Senator's point is made.

Marc MacSharry (Fianna Fail)
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I join with other Senators in asking the Leader for an ongoing debate on the economy. As we have seen from recent reports, these are the most challenging times we have experienced for almost the last 30 years. I could not agree more with the point made by other speakers with regard to maintaining momentum on the national development plan. The Taoiseach fully agrees with this. His statement that we must prioritise the work of the national development plan to focus on those issues that will increase our competitiveness was most prudent. At no point did he say we would in any way wind down our commitments under the plan, only that we would be more strategic in prioritising those projects that would help enhance and maintain our competitiveness into the future.

I support my colleague Senator O'Toole in calling on all sections of society to play their parts in these challenging times. I also refer to a previous proposal I made in the House to set up a committee to monitor social partnership. I hope that workers and employers alike will see the realities that face us and play their parts.

Rónán Mullen (Independent)
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I welcome the comments of Senators Hannigan, Ó Murchú and others on the excellent news that more than 100 countries have agreed to sign up to a ban on cluster munitions. I raised this issue a number of weeks ago. It is disquieting that two members of the UN Security Council were absent from the negotiations. However, that is balanced by the good news that the UK has come on board. This is a significant development because, as we know, the UK has some leverage with various countries, particularly the USA. It is important, however, that we not ignore our own responsibilities. We have done excellently in hosting this conference and credit is due, but it is important that we not approach our international relationships — whether with the EU, China or the USA — in terms of what other countries can do for us economically.

Ireland has done well to stress our special relationship with the USA in recent years. We need to become a pestering friend. We must make sure that in addition to seeking the best for our people in economic terms, we continue to aspire to being a moral voice also. We must do our best at diplomatic level, in view of our neutrality and our status as a small and respected state, to keep bringing this issue to the fore until those countries that really can make a difference, such as the USA and China, accept the moral lead that has been given by more than 100 countries in banning cluster munitions.

Could I also mention briefly——

Pat Moylan (Fianna Fail)
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I ask the Senator to put a question to the Leader.

Rónán Mullen (Independent)
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I ask for a debate, along with my colleague Senator Bacik, on the integration of immigrants. It is disquieting that according to a report by UCD researchers, as few as 12% of Chinese immigrants and as few as 22% of Lithuanians regard themselves as being highly integrated into Irish society. I emphasise that being integrated is not the same as being employed. Lithuanians, for example, have high rates of employment but are not highly integrated. This imposes a major responsibility on Irish people to do what we can to respect the dignity of our immigrant population.

I know of a number of cases in which Africans who came to this country as minors and have been here for a number of years, who have excellent characters and where people will give them references——

Pat Moylan (Fianna Fail)
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We can have this discussion during the debate.

Rónán Mullen (Independent)
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——are now facing deportation, while they know of people who have been in trouble with the law but have still got their papers. Is it not time we had a debate in this House about immigration?

Pat Moylan (Fianna Fail)
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The Senator has sought the debate. It is a matter for the Leader to reply.

Rónán Mullen (Independent)
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I am concluding now. I ask that the debate on immigration include the question of an amnesty for people who came here as minors, who have been here for a number of years and who are of excellent character as testified by Irish people and others. Given that they do not have contacts they can rely on in their home countries, these people should be given their papers and allowed to establish a new life.

Brian Ó Domhnaill (Fianna Fail)
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I wish to raise the issue of the fishermen in France who are protesting about high fuel costs by blocking ports. This is having a direct impact on many fishermen on the west coast, particularly in my own county of Donegal. Crab and lobster fishermen are being prevented from exporting their product to France. France imports approximately 13 million tonnes of crab annually, a significant proportion of which comes from Ireland. The Irish market in crab and lobster is being eroded by the blocking of French ports. I spoke to fishermen this morning who are fishing out of four different ports in Donegal. At present they have no livelihood because it has been eroded. I call on the Leader to ask the Minister with responsibility for the marine to come to the House next week, if possible, to discuss this important issue.

Many of these fishermen were previously salmon fishermen who availed of the opportunity to leave the salmon fishing industry, and the only form of income they now have is from crab or lobster fishing. However, this is now being eroded by events in another country. Some of these fishermen have expressed concern to me that this may affect their votes in the referendum on the EU reform treaty. This is something we should deal with in the House next week if possible.

Alan Kelly (Labour)
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I join with Senators O'Toole, Twomey and MacSharry in seeking regular debates on the economy. This is something we must monitor at all times, especially given the possible growth rate of 1% to 1.5% this year. The Taoiseach said yesterday that the country needed a 4% growth rate in order to allow continued investment in the national development programme. This is where politics comes into play. We all have different philosophies, so our preferred prioritisation of the NDP and the areas in which we would like to see progress differ. The priorities of my party differ from those of the other parties.

While competitiveness has been referred to by the Government, I would welcome more detail. I would like the Minister, Deputy Ryan, to prioritise and plan for broadband. National development plan or no, broadband is the number one infrastructural issue. Countries that are less wealthy than Ireland and as far afield as eastern Europe and Asia have been innovative. Will the Leader arrange regular debates on financing so that the House can determine the Government's priorities from an NDP point of view? Investment in education must be maintained in our changing economy.

With the recent change in Ministers of State, it would be a good idea to invite to the House the new Minster of State at the Department of Education and Science with responsibility for science and technology so that he could express his opinions. Given that almost 40% of exports are high value and knowledge oriented, I would welcome the opportunity to learn what new ideas the Minister of State has in that regard so that the House could contribute to the debate. There is a divine trinity in terms of progress, but serious problems are being experienced in two of its elements, namely, the provision of infrastructure, which is linked holistically with broadband, and investment techniques to support start-up and medium-sized businesses, which are not getting bang for their buck from the Government.

Paul Coghlan (Fine Gael)
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I support Senator Twomey's call for ongoing debates on the economy. We are all interested in the progress of the national development plan. Given the frightening unfolding budgetary situation, it is important that the Leader allow periodic reviews of the matter in a general sense.

Yesterday, the Lower House debated the recommendations of the Constituency Commission's report. There has been a significant delay in the introduction of the requisite legislation and, while the Minister stated that a Bill was on its way, I do not know when it will be published. Will the Leader enlighten the House? Members of all sides of both Houses have varying and divergent opinions on the recommendations. We must be cognisant of the fact that Mr. Justice Clarke, in his 2007 judgment, stated that there should be a minimum delay in giving legislative effect to the independent commission's reports and findings. Will the Leader comment or allow a debate in this regard? It would be timely to consider the matter even in the absence of a Bill and to revert to it after the Bill's publication. Will the Leader also arrange for a debate on the report on local electoral areas, which is due shortly?

David Norris (Independent)
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I am happy that Senators are unanimous in welcoming the cluster munitions ban treaty. We can be proud of the fact that it will forever have the name "Dublin" attached to it. We should compliment the former Minister for Foreign Affairs, Deputy Dermot Ahern, who took a direct, active and personal interest in this matter, and Pax Christi Ireland, which briefed Senators ahead of the debate in Seanad Éireann, through which the House played its role. At the Joint Committee on Foreign Affairs, Deputy Higgins and I tabled a motion that was passed unanimously.

I welcome that the United Kingdom came on board, largely through the efforts of Lord Alfred Dubs and Lord Elton of the Upper House of the British Parliament, who attended the parliamentarians' conference several days ago. I hope that the stigma that operated after the ban on landmines and that prevented even non-signatories such as the United States and others from using those weapons will act in this instance.

I am concerned about the interoperability clause introduced at the behest of France and the UK. It must be made clear that Irish troops will never engage in military action in co-operation with an army deploying such filthy weapons. Will the Leader ask the Minister for Foreign Affairs to give an undertaking along these lines? A lack of participation will force the remaining countries to stop using those weapons.

I wish to refer to a debate in the Lower House and to compliment Deputy Ulick Burke of Fine Gael who raised the matter of the promotion of so-called alcohol shot packs by an English firm. They are targeted at young people and have an 80% alcohol content. Young people are also targeted with Bullseye Baggies. Despite MEAS, a ridiculous cover group, the drinks industry is targeting young people and using sporting events. Given yesterday's debate on the Broadcasting Bill 2008, we should take our courage in our hands and ban alcohol advertising on the airwaves.

Rónán Mullen (Independent)
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Hear, hear.

David Norris (Independent)
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We did so in respect of smoking, another health problem, and should be able to do so in this regard. If necessary, we could estimate compensation for small and independent stations for lost revenue.

The situation on the M1 was dreadful. I also understand that a young woman may have been killed in a tragic accident on Parnell Street. Despite Mr. Frank McDonald's comments in The Irish Times, some of these problems will be alleviated by metro north.

I will not attempt to engage in a debate with the Cathaoirleach, the Leader or Senator Regan on the Lisbon treaty. Were it true that the treaty advocates, endorses or promotes same sex marriages, I would vote for it. However, it is not true and the people on that side who maintain that the treaty is a liberal charter are wrong. For this reason, I will vote against the treaty.

Pat Moylan (Fianna Fail)
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The Senator can make those comments during the debate.

Paul Bradford (Fine Gael)
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The Lisbon treaty has been mentioned by a number of colleagues. The referendum will be on this day fortnight when people will have a fundamental decision to make. We must concede that, so far, apathy and confusion have been winning. In so far as Senators can, we have a duty to bring some degree of clarity to allow the electorate to reflect on the issues fully. The statements on the treaty and a debate on the legislation were helpful, but new questions and concerns emerge as the debate evolves. If possible, will the Leader set aside a full day for additional statements next week? We could respond to some of the queries and concerns. It is important that people have an opportunity to present their arguments, to ask their questions and to have them answered. Some of the wilder allegations and claims could be responded to firmly and fully.

Paul Coghlan (Fine Gael)
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False information also.

Paul Bradford (Fine Gael)
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Given our political responsibility to the electorate, further debating time and clarity are necessary to wipe away confusion and apathy in so far as is possible and to maximise the number of people voting. The majority of Senators hope the referendum will be carried and 100% of Senators hope for a high turnout, with the people coming out in their droves to cast their verdict. However, this will only occur if we can provide answers to some of the questions still in the public arena. All that the House can do is to provide more time for Senators on all sides of the debate to continue making statements and providing information and clarity.

Will the Leader set aside substantial time next week? There is no point in debating the matter in three weeks' time and wondering what went right or wrong. Next week will be our opportunity to play our part in advancing democracy and the people's knowledge of this important treaty. We can then go back to debating other important issues such as the economy, the jobs crisis and so on. However, the number one priority for next week must be the Lisbon treaty.

Paddy Burke (Fine Gael)
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Will the Leader organise a debate on the proposed Green Paper on local government? Such a debate would be welcomed by the vast majority of Members. The issue of funding for local authorities must be debated as soon as possible. A report in one of yesterday's newspapers referred to the proposal by the manager of Kerry County Council for a €200 charge per household. This was described by a Fine Gael councillor, Mr. Pat McCarthy, as rates by the back door.

Pat Moylan (Fianna Fail)
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I ask the Senator not to name persons outside the House.

Paddy Burke (Fine Gael)
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Will the Leader invite the Minister for the Environment, Heritage and Local Government to the House for an urgent debate on the Green Paper on local government?

Donie Cassidy (Fianna Fail)
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Senators Twomey, MacSharry, Kelly and Coghlan called for a debate on the economy. As I said yesterday, I will endeavour to have this take place before the end of the session. Senator MacSharry made a useful suggestion that a sub-committee of the House be established to monitor the progress of the national development plan and the social partnership agreement. We will discuss this proposal at the next meeting of the Committee on Procedure and Privileges to see how it can be progressed.

Senator Kelly spoke about the need for improved broadband provision. The difficulties in this regard represent a serious challenge for the State while also offering potential for significant job creation. Business is not about turnover but rather about overheads. Improved broadband provision will allow self-employed people to operate from home. It will also offer women working in the home a way of earning a supplementary income. All workers will be able to avail of modern technologies in their home, which may allow them to avoid the inconvenience of commuting to and from work. I fully agree with the sentiments expressed on this issue. I have already given a commitment to the House to have this debate take place before the summer recess.

I have received many calls in recent weeks for a debate on the Health Service Executive. I compliment everybody who contributed to yesterday's debate. In particular, I commend the Minister for Health and Children, Deputy Harney, who once again excelled in displaying her absolute grasp of her portfolio. There is never any difficulty in asking her to make time in her diary for us. Yesterday was the fourth occasion since this Seanad was formed that she has taken part in a debate in this Chamber. I am extremely grateful to Senators for their participation and for the informed way in which the Minister enlightened the House on the up-to-date position. She faces a serious challenge in tackling the various difficulties in the health service. We all wish to support her in any way we can.

Senator O'Toole referred to No. 22 on today's Order Paper, which is a draft order for approval. He correctly pointed out that the draft order was laid before the House last Tuesday, 27 May. I hope to deal with this next week.

Senators Hannigan, de Búrca, Ó Murchú, Mullen and Norris welcomed the wonderful news from Croke Park that an agreement had been reached on the banning of cluster bombs. This is a milestone decision by the 100 countries involved. I congratulate the previous Minister for Foreign Affairs, Deputy Dermot Ahern, and the former Taoiseach, Deputy Bertie Ahern, on their initiative on this issue and their work in brining it to this stage. I welcome this morning's confirmation by the British Prime Minister, Mr. Gordon Brown, that his Government will sign the agreement. I watched a television biography of the late Diana, Princess of Wales, last night. The courageous stance she took on this issue helped to frame international opinion. I congratulate everybody associated with the agreement. As Senator Ó Murchú said, we can be proud that a decision of major international significance was made in Croke Park. Senator Norris observed that it may come to be known as the Dublin agreement. It represents a significant step forward in dealing with what is a serious challenge.

I am willing to allow a debate on house prices, as called for by Senator Hannigan. The current challenge is that there is an oversupply of some 50,000 houses. Potential buyers can now avail of incredible value for money, with prices being reduced on a weekly basis.

Paddy Burke (Fine Gael)
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That is so in Oldcastle.

Donie Cassidy (Fianna Fail)
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There are good opportunities for young couples. People sometimes ask me about the good old days when house prices were much lower. I always respond that the good days are now and that they were bad old days when people had to set aside some 38% of their disposable income to make mortgage repayments, even though their mortgage loan with the local authority might only be £8,000 at 9%. The Government's decision to join the eurozone means we are now enjoying the benefits of a strong currency. If we had opted out of the euro, interest rates would be three percentage points higher. First-time house buyers would be in far worse predicament in that scenario.

A two-year period is minor in the lifetime of any property purchase. People will experience a period of difficulty where more of their disposable income must be set aside to meet mortgage repayments, but they will soon recover from that. For those of us who are fortunate enough to be in a position to receive them, the increases available under the national wage agreement are of great benefit. The farming community has been well looked after by the EU and public servants are assured of significant increases, with 2.5% due in September.

The real heroes of the Celtic tiger are the self-employed. When the economic situation was poor and others took the boat or aeroplane, that option was not available to them, yet there is a widespread view that the self-employed were creaming it. I wish to record my appreciation of what has been done and is still being done by the self-employed. Anybody who survived the 1960s and 1970s deserves a gold medal for their efforts to keep family businesses going while paying income tax rates of up to 68%. These people are heroes. It is not the case that only one side is doing its bit. Self-employed people have made a tremendous contribution, along with farmers and public servants.

Senator Hannigan referred to the horrific five-vehicle crash which occurred early this morning on the M1. We were all horrified to hear of the unfortunate motorist who went to assist the drivers in the first two vehicles and was struck by a truck. We know it is a serious accident when the road is closed for more than 12 or 14 hours, particularly on a route of such significance. I am familiar with the location in which the accident took place.

Senators de Búrca, Leyden, Regan, Bradford and Twomey sought assurances that there will be another debate on the Lisbon treaty. With the agreement of the House, I will propose next Wednesday that there be an extended Private Members' time of three hours in which Fianna Fáil will table a motion to debate the Lisbon treaty. If this is insufficient to allow Members to put forward their views, I will propose that the debate be resumed on Thursday, after we have dispensed with legislation. This will ensure every Member has an opportunity to express his or her views on this important treaty on which the public must adjudicate. I hope this proposal will be agreed by all the leaders so that Fianna Fáil can play its part in facilitating this debate.

Senator Donohoe called for a debate on the National Consumer Agency and consumer issues, with particular reference to prices. I am aware that the Oireachtas Joint Committee on Enterprise, Trade and Employment had a meeting with the agency's representatives yesterday. I will certainly allocate time for that debate in the coming weeks.

Senator Ó Domhnaill highlighted the plight of fishermen and the fishing industry, particularly in Donegal where crab and lobster fishermen have been affected by the protest in France. One of the tragedies of a protest of this magnitude is how it can paralyse an industry practically overnight. I will convey the Senator's strong views to the Minister and will invite the Minister to the House to discuss marine matters in general as soon as possible.

Senators Bacik and Mullen sought a debate on integration of immigrants and the position of migrant women in Ireland. I agree with the Senators' sentiments with regard to eminently qualified people who come to this country, such as engineers, doctors and so forth, but are unable to seek jobs in their areas of expertise. They must take on menial jobs in order that they can live in peace here with a little income to support their families until times improve in their native countries.

Senator Kelly called for a debate on innovation and technology. That can be included in the debate on broadband and finance, which I will arrange before the end of this session.

Senator Coghlan sought a debate on electoral boundaries, similar to the debate that took place in the Dáil yesterday. The local election constituency review is taking place at present and its report must be on the Minister's desk by 22 June. Perhaps we should wait and debate the two matters together. To say I am interested in the Constituency Commission's findings is an understatement. As Members are aware, that commission made the decision to move the north Westmeath area, which was my base, into the Meath West constituency. Sometimes one thinks these events are an act of God but on this occasion it was an act of the commission. I do not hold it against anybody but in its wisdom it has again left the same area in the Meath West constituency in its latest revision. It might have been an accident the first time but I have my doubts about the second time.

Paul Coghlan (Fine Gael)
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Did the Senator make a submission?

Donie Cassidy (Fianna Fail)
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Parts of Senator O'Toole's constituency are now in the Limerick constituency——

Joe O'Toole (Independent)
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I am asking for my constituency to be reformed. Six Members in this House are waiting to have that done.

Donie Cassidy (Fianna Fail)
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Senator Ellis has a great interest in this matter also. The people of Leitrim have no Dáil representation, which is completely unfair. The county boundary must be sacrosanct. Whatever new regulations are introduced——

Paul Coghlan (Fine Gael)
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The Senator can make those points in the debate.

Donie Cassidy (Fianna Fail)
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——they will certainly not be passed by this House without the county boundaries being sacrosanct.

Joe O'Toole (Independent)
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Hear, hear.

Donie Cassidy (Fianna Fail)
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Every county is entitled to have a Deputy representing the people, regardless of the Deputy's political party.

Finally, Senator Paddy Burke asked for a debate on the Green Paper on local government. That is a timely request and I will endeavour to arrange a debate in the presence of the Minister for the Environment, Heritage and Local Government.