Dáil debates

Thursday, 14 May 2009

10:30 am

Photo of Mary CoughlanMary Coughlan (Donegal South West, Fianna Fail)
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It is proposed to take No. 16, motion re proposed approval by Dáil Éireann for a regulation of the European Parliament and of the Council establishing a European asylum support office; No. 22, Industrial Development Bill 2008 [Seanad] - Order for Report and Report and Final Stages; No. 21, Harbours (Amendment) Bill 2008 [Seanad] - Second Stage (resumed); No.3, Fines Bill 2009 - Order for Second Stage and Second Stage.

It is proposed, notwithstanding anything in Standing Orders, that No. 16 shall be decided without debate and that the proceedings on Report and Final Stages of No. 22 shall, if not previously concluded, be brought to a conclusion at 1.30 p.m. by one question which shall be put from the Chair and which shall, in respect of amendments, include only those set down or accepted by the Tánaiste and Minister for Enterprise, Trade and Employment.

Photo of John O'DonoghueJohn O'Donoghue (Kerry South, Ceann Comhairle)
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There are two proposals to be put to the House today. Is No.16, motion re proposed approval by Dáil Éireann for a regulation of the European Parliament and of the Council establishing a European asylum support office, agreed?

Photo of Richard BrutonRichard Bruton (Dublin North Central, Fine Gael)
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We are not happy with these two motions, namely, No. 16 which is being sought without debate and the subsequent guillotine. The House needs to set aside time to debate the imminent disappearance of hopes of recovery of the jobs in SR Technics. As the Tánaiste will know, the company has signalled the sale of key assets in this company which will pull the leg out from under the various proposals that have developed by the IDA. Many feel that the Government sleepwalked into this crisis.

Photo of John O'DonoghueJohn O'Donoghue (Kerry South, Ceann Comhairle)
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I cannot have a debate now.

Photo of Richard BrutonRichard Bruton (Dublin North Central, Fine Gael)
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I believe I am entitled to give my reasons for proposing-----

Photo of John O'DonoghueJohn O'Donoghue (Kerry South, Ceann Comhairle)
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A brief reason.

Photo of Richard BrutonRichard Bruton (Dublin North Central, Fine Gael)
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We need to have a debate because------

Photo of James ReillyJames Reilly (Dublin North, Fine Gael)
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Hear, hear.

Photo of Richard BrutonRichard Bruton (Dublin North Central, Fine Gael)
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-----significant State money will go to fund the redundancy package of €15 million. The trade unions have signalled they believe the Government did not make sufficient effort to recover the jobs. Many feel that SRT has not co-operated to the extent necessary and that it has motives other than the recovery of employment. This is vital. It concerns 1,100 jobs on the north side at a time when we simply cannot afford the haemorrhaging of jobs.

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Hear, hear.

Photo of Richard BrutonRichard Bruton (Dublin North Central, Fine Gael)
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There is a desire in the House to have time to discuss this and see whether, even at this late stage, anything can be retrieved.

Photo of Joan BurtonJoan Burton (Dublin West, Labour)
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Before anything is agreed on the Order of Business, I would like to have a commitment from the Tánaiste that in the House today she will discuss what is another jobs disaster for the Dublin region. It concerns not only the north side of Dublin but also the counties of Meath, Louth and Kildare and surrounding areas where many people of the 1,200 people employed by SR Technics live. This Government seems to be helpless in the face of a strategy by the company-----

Photo of John O'DonoghueJohn O'Donoghue (Kerry South, Ceann Comhairle)
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I cannot have a general debate on this now.

Photo of Joan BurtonJoan Burton (Dublin West, Labour)
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------to take assets out of Ireland, asset strip the Irish company and only leave the base of the skilled workers - 1,200 men - with nothing to do. It is a tragedy for the families involved and the economy in a week when the Dublin Airport Authority has announced a further 400 redundancies. Will the Tánaiste come into the Dáil today before we agree to anything on the Order of Business-----

Photo of John O'DonoghueJohn O'Donoghue (Kerry South, Ceann Comhairle)
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The Deputy has made her point.

Photo of Joan BurtonJoan Burton (Dublin West, Labour)
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-----to see whether we can work out a strategy for the 1,000 workers at SR Technics who will be unemployed. From now on it will cost the State at least €20 million a year in addition to the €15 million it will pay out in redundancy payments. It is a no-brainer that the Tánaiste should put a package together to try to salvage something for the economy of the greater Dublin region.

Photo of John O'DonoghueJohn O'Donoghue (Kerry South, Ceann Comhairle)
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We cannot have a debate on the matter now. The Deputy has made her point.

Photo of Aengus Ó SnodaighAengus Ó Snodaigh (Dublin South Central, Sinn Fein)
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I echo what the two Deputies have said. I, too, reject the Order of Business, unless a commitment is given by the Tánaiste that we will have a debate on how the Government has allowed a viable, strategic and world-class Irish industry to be destroyed by multinational vultures. I also urge that we have a debate in order that we can show the absolute failure of the Tánaiste, a waster of time and a waster of jobs-----

Photo of John O'DonoghueJohn O'Donoghue (Kerry South, Ceann Comhairle)
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We cannot have a general debate now.

(Interruptions).

Photo of Aengus Ó SnodaighAengus Ó Snodaigh (Dublin South Central, Sinn Fein)
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Over 1,000 jobs in SR Technics have been wasted by the Government when there was a possibility of ensuring they could be sustained.

Photo of Dick RocheDick Roche (Wicklow, Fianna Fail)
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Deputy Ó Snodaigh is the waster.

Photo of Aengus Ó SnodaighAengus Ó Snodaigh (Dublin South Central, Sinn Fein)
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The Tánaiste is a waster, as is the Government, as anybody working in the industry knows.

Photo of Dick RocheDick Roche (Wicklow, Fianna Fail)
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The Deputy and his party sought to destroy the country.

(Interruptions).

Photo of Mary CoughlanMary Coughlan (Donegal South West, Fianna Fail)
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As the Ceann Comhairle knows, there have been two requests to his office and it is for him to decide on time availability for Adjournment debates and private notice questions. I note Deputy Ó Snodaigh has not changed since the time the two of us were in college.

The issue of SR Technics has been raised on a considerable number of occasions by members of the Opposition whom I have met privately, as well as by my colleagues on this side of the House. I agree it is serious. At the time I met the unions to discuss the matter. I have also met all the agencies involved. I set up a special project team between Enterprise Ireland and the IDA and employed a specialist in aviation to support the decision making to be made on the basis of a number of bids being made by Irish people who wished to invest. As the House knows, there have been extensive contacts made by me, my officials and agencies with SR Technics over a considerable period of time and I am extremely disappointed with the decision made last night. However, the company indicated that the bids received from the Dublin operations which were supported by the IDA and Enterprise Ireland were well below its assessment of the current market value of the assets. I understand it is still open to bids for the remaining parts of the business, including base maintenance, line maintenance, the garage and remaining tooling and equipment. It has indicated that it will accept bids in respect of base maintenance until Friday, 22 May and Wednesday, 27 May in respect of line maintenance and the garage.

I reiterate that I will continue to work with Enterprise Ireland, the IDA and the DAA, as well as the remaining bidders and other interested parties, to maximise the available employment opportunities, in addition to the remaining 250 plus jobs in maintenance and design. We shall continue to endeavour to work to the best of our ability. The Government, through its agencies, has fulfilled its role and will continue to do so between now and the end of May.

Photo of James ReillyJames Reilly (Dublin North, Fine Gael)
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It is too little, too late.

(Interruptions).

Question put: "That the proposals for dealing with No. 16 be agreed to."

The Dail Divided:

For the motion: 65 (Dermot Ahern, Michael Ahern, Noel Ahern, Barry Andrews, Chris Andrews, Seán Ardagh, Bobby Aylward, Niall Blaney, Áine Brady, Cyprian Brady, Johnny Brady, Thomas Byrne, Dara Calleary, Pat Carey, Niall Collins, Margaret Conlon, Seán Connick, Mary Coughlan, John Cregan, Ciarán Cuffe, John Curran, Noel Dempsey, Timmy Dooley, Michael Finneran, Michael Fitzpatrick, Seán Fleming, Beverley Flynn, Pat Gallagher, Paul Gogarty, Mary Harney, Seán Haughey, Jackie Healy-Rae, Máire Hoctor, Billy Kelleher, Peter Kelly, Michael Kennedy, Séamus Kirk, Michael Kitt, Tom Kitt, Conor Lenihan, Tom McEllistrim, Mattie McGrath, Michael McGrath, Martin Mansergh, John Moloney, Michael Mulcahy, M J Nolan, Éamon Ó Cuív, Seán Ó Fearghaíl, Charlie O'Connor, Rory O'Hanlon, Batt O'Keeffe, Ned O'Keeffe, Mary O'Rourke, Christy O'Sullivan, Seán Power, Dick Roche, Eamon Ryan, Trevor Sargent, Eamon Scanlon, Brendan Smith, Noel Treacy, Mary Wallace, Mary White, Michael Woods)

Against the motion: 49 (James Bannon, Seán Barrett, Joe Behan, Pat Breen, Tommy Broughan, Richard Bruton, Ulick Burke, Joan Burton, Catherine Byrne, Joe Carey, Deirdre Clune, Noel Coonan, Simon Coveney, Seymour Crawford, Bernard Durkan, Damien English, Frank Feighan, Martin Ferris, Charles Flanagan, Terence Flanagan, Tom Hayes, Michael D Higgins, Phil Hogan, Brendan Howlin, Ciarán Lynch, Kathleen Lynch, Pádraic McCormack, Shane McEntee, Dinny McGinley, Arthur Morgan, Denis Naughten, Dan Neville, Aengus Ó Snodaigh, Fergus O'Dowd, John O'Mahony, Brian O'Shea, Jan O'Sullivan, Willie Penrose, Ruairi Quinn, James Reilly, Michael Ring, P J Sheehan, Seán Sherlock, Róisín Shortall, Emmet Stagg, David Stanton, Billy Timmins, Mary Upton, Leo Varadkar)

Tellers:Tá, Deputies Pat Carey and John Cregan; Níl, Deputies David Stanton and Emmet Stagg.

Question declared carried.

Photo of John O'DonoghueJohn O'Donoghue (Kerry South, Ceann Comhairle)
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Is the proposal for dealing with No. 22 agreed to?

Photo of Emmet StaggEmmet Stagg (Kildare North, Labour)
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It is not agreed to. I do not propose to seek a division on this matter but I cannot understand why the Government has proposed to guillotine debate on a Bill which has only one amendment. There is no emergency and the debate could be finished long before the guillotine time. The Bill could be dealt with effectively in half an hour. The use of a guillotine is outrageous. I ask the Government not to abuse the privilege of using a guillotine, which is intended for emergencies, on standard legislation where there is no emergency whatsoever. Only one amendment has been tabled. Half an hour would be sufficient to debate it.

Photo of Mary CoughlanMary Coughlan (Donegal South West, Fianna Fail)
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I will agree to that.

Photo of Michael RingMichael Ring (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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The Government should get used to the guillotine. It is coming soon for them.

Photo of Bernard DurkanBernard Durkan (Kildare North, Fine Gael)
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It is well they have hard necks.

Photo of Dara CallearyDara Calleary (Mayo, Fianna Fail)
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Is Deputy Ring still in Fine Gael? I thought he had joined the Labour Party.

(Interruptions).

Photo of John O'DonoghueJohn O'Donoghue (Kerry South, Ceann Comhairle)
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The Tánaiste has indicated her agreement to Deputy Stagg's proposal.

Photo of Mary CoughlanMary Coughlan (Donegal South West, Fianna Fail)
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Before you proceed with the Order of Business, a Cheann Comhairle, I beg your indulgence for a moment while so many Members are in the House. Today, our usher team-leader, Mr. Mick Phelan, is performing his last official duty in the House, after many years of dedicated duty. As so many Deputies are present, it is appropriate that we wish him well.

Members rose and applauded.

We wish him well and thank him for his wonderful service. I have been advised that he served under many Governments as far back as the time of Liam Cosgrave. We have all known him as an absolute gentleman and he has always carried out his duties with the utmost decorum. He is a great enthusiast of the GAA and the Lily Whites. I do not know if they will be killed on Sunday but we wish them well. We also wish well his wife, Patricia, and wish them a long and happy retirement. I am sure he will not be a stranger to the House.

11:00 am

Photo of Richard BrutonRichard Bruton (Dublin North Central, Fine Gael)
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On behalf of Fine Gael I join in the note of congratulation. I cannot remember many people getting a standing ovation from all sides of the House and even from the bull pen. One has to be something special to get that. Mick's is a testimony to the triumph of hope over expectation. He continues to loyally support the Lily Whites despite their continual disappointments which shows his great loyalty. We have also enjoyed the fruits of his loyalty, kindliness and his ethic of hard work. We really appreciate it and hope that Mick and his family enjoy many long years in retirement. The future is bright for the Lily Whites.

Photo of Joan BurtonJoan Burton (Dublin West, Labour)
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On behalf of all the Labour Deputies I join in the tributes to Mick Phelan. He is one of the people who always brightens up Dáil Éireann, particularly when one comes in on a wet day, such as today, and he encourages one to keep on going, just as he encourages Kildare to keep going. He has given long service stretching back to the time of Liam Cosgrave as Taoiseach. He served before that in the Army and the Military Police and has a military bearing on all occasions. It has been a particular delight to have worked with Mick and to have been the recipient of his courtesy and encouragement on so many occasions. When one comes here as a new Deputy it can be very confusing; it is somewhat like the first day at school having to learn the ropes. I hope that Mick and his wife Patricia enjoy a happy a retirement. I know that he brought the luck to the ushers in their recent lotto win.

Photo of Aengus Ó SnodaighAengus Ó Snodaigh (Dublin South Central, Sinn Fein)
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I join with the others in the House in congratulating Mick on, at long last, escaping from here. Long may he have an enjoyable retirement with Patricia. When I first met him he was one of the most courteous people here. I am not saying the others were not courteous but he has been very helpful in all of my dealings with him and in his dealings with the rest of the party. One of these years the Lily Whites might get somewhere and I wish him luck in that pursuit. I realise he is a great fan of the GAA throughout the country, not only the Lily Whites. I hope he will enjoy many more matches in future. Go n-éirí an t-ádh leat agus gach rath ortsa agus ar do chlann.

Photo of Mary WhiteMary White (Carlow-Kilkenny, Green Party)
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On behalf of the Green Party, An Comhaontas Glas, I add my best wishes to Mick on his retirement. On my first day here in the Dáil I could not get over the courtesy and efficiency of all the ushers but Mick was one of the first people I met and I believed it was auspicious to meet him on my first day. I recognise he has a great fondness for his home constituency in Kildare and his love for the GAA. He served admirably in the Congo and at one time stated, referring to the dangers there, if people knew what it was like they would not have half the fear in Leinster House. I wish him, his family and his wife Patricia every happiness and continued good health in a long and happy retirement.

Photo of John O'DonoghueJohn O'Donoghue (Kerry South, Ceann Comhairle)
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Ba mhaith liom mo bhuíochas a ghabháil le Mick as ucht an mhéid atá déanta aige i rith na blianta ar son mhuintir Teach Laighean. I express my deepest gratitude to Mick for his service to the Members and staff of Leinster House throughout the past 27 years. His professionalism, dedication, kindness, courtesy and friendship are something every Member of the House and the Staff in Leinster House deeply appreciate. I wish him well in the future and we will miss him.

Let the battle resume.

Photo of Richard BrutonRichard Bruton (Dublin North Central, Fine Gael)
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Discord need not necessarily break out straight away. I wish to ask about some legislation. Many welcomed the press release from the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform yesterday to the effect that there would be legislation to deal with gangland crime. However, I note the signal from Government is that the legislation will not appear until October. Can the Minister not do a little better than that? There is a sense of great urgency about this matter and wide support for it. Will the Minister do better? Will the Tánaiste consult with the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform to try to fast-track it?

What is the position with the legislation to establish the National Asset Management Agency? We read in the newspapers that it will be introduced in July. Will the Dáil be held back from summer recess to complete the passage of that legislation? Is that the intention of Government?

What is the position with the legislation that dates back to a series of commitments made last October in respect of the rationalisation of State agencies? There was to be a merger of the National Consumer Agency and the Competition Authority, the merger of qualifications authorities in education, the merger of museums and the National Gallery, the merger of fisheries boards and the merger of the Taxi Regulator and the DTA, Dublin Transportation Authority? All of these require legislation but there appears to be no fixed date for them. If these are genuine rationalisations to achieve taxpayer savings we would expect to see the legislation surface. Where is the legislative programme to achieve these savings promised by the Government?

Photo of Mary CoughlanMary Coughlan (Donegal South West, Fianna Fail)
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On the issue of crime legislation, the Minister is most anxious to have it during this session. I realise it is a tight timescale but I believe we will get the co-operation of the House once it is introduced.

Photo of Charles FlanaganCharles Flanagan (Laois-Offaly, Fine Gael)
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It is not a question of the co-operation of the House, it is a question of the publication of the legislation.

Photo of Mary CoughlanMary Coughlan (Donegal South West, Fianna Fail)
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It will be published when it is published.

On the NAMA legislation, the Taoiseach indicated yesterday this is a key priority for the Government. Work is ongoing on its preparation and we are doing our utmost to have it available as quickly as possible. If we can have it during this session then so be it. Every effort is being made to publish the legislation as quickly as possible.

On the rationalisation of agencies, I am aware the Taxi Regulator aspect is being facilitated in the Transport Bill before the House. In my legislative area, I would hope to have the legislation dealing with the NCA, National Consumer Agency, and the Competition Authority during this session if at all possible. As the Deputy will be aware we are carrying out an overall review of the Competition Authority in addition to the amalgamation. We will do our utmost to try to have it as quickly as possible. I can revert to the Deputy on the specifics of the others.

Photo of Joan BurtonJoan Burton (Dublin West, Labour)
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I refer to the notice published yesterday on the NTMA website advertising and tendering for advisers for NAMA. We have received legal advice that proceeding with NAMA as a shadow agency is very fraught in terms of the constitutional and legal proprieties. Information held by the Central Bank, the Financial Regulator and other agencies is confidential under the terms of the legislation. Thus far, the Minister for Finance has spent between €2 million and €6 million in fees to Merrill Lynch and a preliminary fee of €3.8 million to PricewaterhouseCoopers.

Photo of John O'DonoghueJohn O'Donoghue (Kerry South, Ceann Comhairle)
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I cannot allow a debate on that matter now. The Deputy should only ask a question which is in order.

Photo of Joan BurtonJoan Burton (Dublin West, Labour)
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Will the Tánaiste indicate if it is the intention of the Government to proceed with a shadow NAMA with all costs on the taxpayer but without legal clarity, particularly in the context of the legal advice that legislative power is required? I inform the Tánaiste that in respect of NAMA and particularly in respect of the earlier reply on SR Technics-----

Photo of John O'DonoghueJohn O'Donoghue (Kerry South, Ceann Comhairle)
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We must hold a debate on that matter another day.

Photo of Joan BurtonJoan Burton (Dublin West, Labour)
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If the Tánaiste were on "The Apprentice" she would be told, "You are fired" because of the lack of performance. Can the Tánaiste tell us what is happening on NAMA and when the legislation will appear?

Photo of John O'DonoghueJohn O'Donoghue (Kerry South, Ceann Comhairle)
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Just the legislation, Tánaiste. The question is not in order other than in relation to the legislation.

Photo of Charles FlanaganCharles Flanagan (Laois-Offaly, Fine Gael)
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We do not need "The Apprentice" for that. People on the doorsteps are saying it.

Photo of John O'DonoghueJohn O'Donoghue (Kerry South, Ceann Comhairle)
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The doorsteps have nothing to do with the Standing Orders.

Photo of Mary CoughlanMary Coughlan (Donegal South West, Fianna Fail)
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A Cheann Comhairle, as you know, this is the Order of Business and not Leaders' Questions. I work within the rules that have been set down by the House, therefore I am curtailed in answering on the specifics of any piece of legislation. As Deputy Burton is aware, members of the NTMA and the new chief executive designate of NAMA are appearing at the moment before an Oireachtas committee, and I am sure the questions can be addressed through that forum.

Photo of Joan BurtonJoan Burton (Dublin West, Labour)
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They are not elected. The Tánaiste is.

Photo of Mary CoughlanMary Coughlan (Donegal South West, Fianna Fail)
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As I indicated to the House two or three minutes ago, the legislation is a serious priority for the Government and every effort is being made to publish it and bring it to the House as quickly as possible.

Photo of James ReillyJames Reilly (Dublin North, Fine Gael)
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I wish to raise two matters. First, with the equivalent of St. James's Hospital being closed for a year due to delayed discharges, and with people lying on trolleys, 498 last week-----

Photo of John O'DonoghueJohn O'Donoghue (Kerry South, Ceann Comhairle)
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The Deputy must ask a question.

Photo of James ReillyJames Reilly (Dublin North, Fine Gael)
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-----and a seriously ill lady patient sitting on a chair for 36 hours-----

Photo of John O'DonoghueJohn O'Donoghue (Kerry South, Ceann Comhairle)
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I cannot debate that now.

Photo of James ReillyJames Reilly (Dublin North, Fine Gael)
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-----when will the nursing homes Bill be introduced? I have a second point on legislation. Given the clear lack of communication between the Minister for Health and Children and the CEO of the HSE, resulting in a possible €50 million loss to the HSE through the new consultants' contract, will a supplementary budget be introduced-----

Photo of John O'DonoghueJohn O'Donoghue (Kerry South, Ceann Comhairle)
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On the legislation, now.

Photo of James ReillyJames Reilly (Dublin North, Fine Gael)
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-----or will the likes of children in Crumlin be left without services, as are many adults?

Photo of Mary CoughlanMary Coughlan (Donegal South West, Fianna Fail)
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The legislation will be before the House next week.

Photo of James ReillyJames Reilly (Dublin North, Fine Gael)
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What about a supplementary budget?

Photo of John O'DonoghueJohn O'Donoghue (Kerry South, Ceann Comhairle)
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We do not ask questions about a supplementary budget on the Order of Business unless it is promised.

Photo of James ReillyJames Reilly (Dublin North, Fine Gael)
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It requires legislation, therefore-----

Photo of John O'DonoghueJohn O'Donoghue (Kerry South, Ceann Comhairle)
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The Standing Order is clear.

Photo of Bernard DurkanBernard Durkan (Kildare North, Fine Gael)
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Some time ago, the European Commission issued instructions to the governments of all member states to introduce conservation policies for eel fishing. This is pending, subject to a decision at the end of May, but it appears the Minister or his predecessor indicated their intention to ban eel fishing for 90 years. The Joint Committee on European Affairs deemed this to be excessive on the basis that Ireland's contribution to the diminution of fish stocks is small. As the measure will involve both primary and secondary legislation, will the Tánaiste tell the House whether the Minister will defer agreeing to the European Commission's proposals until after the Bill on the restructuring of the inland fisheries sector has been introduced, or might it be possible to defer the secondary legislation that will be needed?

Photo of John O'DonoghueJohn O'Donoghue (Kerry South, Ceann Comhairle)
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Tánaiste, on the legislation.

Photo of Mary CoughlanMary Coughlan (Donegal South West, Fianna Fail)
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As Deputy Durkan is aware, the Bill on the inland fisheries deals with structures and the amalgamation of the regional fisheries boards. It does not refer specifically to the secondary legislation. However, I will ask the Minister of State at the Department of Communications, Energy and Natural Resources, Deputy Conor Lenihan, to contact the Deputy directly on the matter.

Photo of Bernard DurkanBernard Durkan (Kildare North, Fine Gael)
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A Cheann Comhairle, I thank the Tánaiste-----

Photo of John O'DonoghueJohn O'Donoghue (Kerry South, Ceann Comhairle)
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That is the best she can do.

Photo of Bernard DurkanBernard Durkan (Kildare North, Fine Gael)
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I know, but this is an important issue for the people concerned. I thank the Tánaiste for her reply, but the senior Minister is the person with responsibility. Would it be possible to defer the decision at least until adequate consideration has been given by the responsible person?

Photo of John O'DonoghueJohn O'Donoghue (Kerry South, Ceann Comhairle)
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The Tánaiste said she will take that up with the Minister of State, who will be in contact with the Deputy.

Photo of Tom HayesTom Hayes (Tipperary South, Fine Gael)
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I ask the Tánaiste that some time be set aside for a discussion in this House about the non-availability of finance for the running of small businesses.

Photo of John O'DonoghueJohn O'Donoghue (Kerry South, Ceann Comhairle)
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That is not a runner now.

Photo of Tom HayesTom Hayes (Tipperary South, Fine Gael)
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A Cheann Comhairle-----

Photo of John O'DonoghueJohn O'Donoghue (Kerry South, Ceann Comhairle)
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The Deputy must ask a question which is in order.

Photo of Tom HayesTom Hayes (Tipperary South, Fine Gael)
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My reason for asking is that, around the county, in every town and county-----

Photo of John O'DonoghueJohn O'Donoghue (Kerry South, Ceann Comhairle)
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I know all about that.

Photo of Tom HayesTom Hayes (Tipperary South, Fine Gael)
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Banks are not giving small private businesses money.

Photo of John O'DonoghueJohn O'Donoghue (Kerry South, Ceann Comhairle)
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Deputy Hayes, you know as well as I do we cannot go into that now.

Photo of Tom HayesTom Hayes (Tipperary South, Fine Gael)
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The reality is that people are losing their jobs every day.

Photo of John O'DonoghueJohn O'Donoghue (Kerry South, Ceann Comhairle)
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We cannot go into that now.

Photo of Tom HayesTom Hayes (Tipperary South, Fine Gael)
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I want to know from the Tánaiste, and I am serious in this-----

Photo of John O'DonoghueJohn O'Donoghue (Kerry South, Ceann Comhairle)
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No, I cannot deal with that now, as Deputy Hayes well knows. I must call Deputy Bannon next.

Photo of Tom HayesTom Hayes (Tipperary South, Fine Gael)
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I want time to be set aside to discuss the matter. The banks are turning a blind eye to people with real problems.

Photo of John O'DonoghueJohn O'Donoghue (Kerry South, Ceann Comhairle)
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Deputy Hayes, I must move on.

Photo of Tom HayesTom Hayes (Tipperary South, Fine Gael)
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The Tánaiste wants to answer me.

Photo of John O'DonoghueJohn O'Donoghue (Kerry South, Ceann Comhairle)
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I call Deputy Bannon.

Photo of Tom HayesTom Hayes (Tipperary South, Fine Gael)
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In fairness, a Cheann Comhairle, I do not stand up too often.

Photo of John O'DonoghueJohn O'Donoghue (Kerry South, Ceann Comhairle)
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I know, but when you do, you should try to stay in order. That is the point.

Photo of Tom HayesTom Hayes (Tipperary South, Fine Gael)
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I asked a question and I would like an answer.

Photo of John O'DonoghueJohn O'Donoghue (Kerry South, Ceann Comhairle)
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I cannot deal with that now. Deputy Bannon is next. No exception is made for anyone, that is the way we are.

Photo of James BannonJames Bannon (Longford-Westmeath, Fine Gael)
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Given the recommendations by Teagasc regarding biofuel pumps, which is impacting on rural areas, particularly in my area of the midlands, when will the Bill to amend the National Oil Reserves Agency Act 2007 be published?

On another issue, front-line staff are being cut back right across the hospitals in the midlands-----

Photo of John O'DonoghueJohn O'Donoghue (Kerry South, Ceann Comhairle)
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That might be the case, but we cannot discuss that now.

Photo of James BannonJames Bannon (Longford-Westmeath, Fine Gael)
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It has been brought to my notice-----

Photo of John O'DonoghueJohn O'Donoghue (Kerry South, Ceann Comhairle)
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It does not matter.

Photo of James BannonJames Bannon (Longford-Westmeath, Fine Gael)
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It has been brought to my notice that an electronic filing system is being installed at Mullingar-----

Photo of John O'DonoghueJohn O'Donoghue (Kerry South, Ceann Comhairle)
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No, I have to move on, Deputy Bannon.

Photo of James BannonJames Bannon (Longford-Westmeath, Fine Gael)
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-----at the cost of €100,000. Who takes these wildcat decisions?

Photo of John O'DonoghueJohn O'Donoghue (Kerry South, Ceann Comhairle)
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I call the Tánaiste, on the legislation.

Photo of Mary CoughlanMary Coughlan (Donegal South West, Fianna Fail)
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The legislation will be published later this year.

Photo of Joe CareyJoe Carey (Clare, Fine Gael)
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I would like to ask the Tánaiste about the current position on the full US pre-clearance facility at Shannon Airport. Legislation has to come before the House to enable it to become operational. What is the current position?

Photo of Mary CoughlanMary Coughlan (Donegal South West, Fianna Fail)
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We hope to have it before the summer.

Photo of Terence FlanaganTerence Flanagan (Dublin North East, Fine Gael)
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I welcome the publication of the Property Services (Regulation) Bill 2009. However, the Bill is more than four years late. We have had a toothless quango in operation in the past number of years and millions of euro have been paid out. Also, there has been no regulation of the property management companies. Can the Tánaiste confirm the multi-unit developments bill and the Property Services (Regulation) Bill 2009 will go through the House in the current session?

May I also raise the issue of Prosper Fingal and the funding cutback in relation to 35-----

Photo of John O'DonoghueJohn O'Donoghue (Kerry South, Ceann Comhairle)
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No. The Deputy was going well there, but he cannot raise that. He heard what I said to the other Members. I cannot make an exception for him.

Photo of Terence FlanaganTerence Flanagan (Dublin North East, Fine Gael)
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It is going to save the country a lot more money if funding is given to look after-----

Photo of John O'DonoghueJohn O'Donoghue (Kerry South, Ceann Comhairle)
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That might be the case, but I cannot deal with that. I ask the Tánaiste to deal with the legislation.

Photo of Mary CoughlanMary Coughlan (Donegal South West, Fianna Fail)
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It was indicated yesterday that the multi-unit developments Bill will be brought before Government on Tuesday with a view to its imminent publication. Hopefully we will get it to the House as quickly as possible.

Photo of Jan O'SullivanJan O'Sullivan (Limerick East, Labour)
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We are due to get the Adoption Bill 2008 from the Seanad soon, but the bilateral agreements with Vietnam and Russia are still outstanding and hundreds of families throughout the country cannot adopt because the agreements have broken down. It is important that is resolved before the Bill goes through. Will the Tánaiste treat this as a matter of urgency? Will a high-level ministerial delegation go to Vietnam to deal with the issue? There is a different issue in Russia, but will the Government address the issues urgently for the hundreds of families throughout the country who want to adopt?

Photo of John O'DonoghueJohn O'Donoghue (Kerry South, Ceann Comhairle)
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Tánaiste, on the Adoption Bill 2008.

Photo of Mary CoughlanMary Coughlan (Donegal South West, Fianna Fail)
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We hope to get the Adoption Bill 2008 from the Seanad fairly quickly. This serious issue has been raised with all Members of the House and the Minister of State at the Department of Health for Children, Deputy Andrews, is doing his utmost to deal with the imminent decision-----

Photo of Kathleen LynchKathleen Lynch (Cork North Central, Labour)
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It is very disappointing.

Photo of Mary CoughlanMary Coughlan (Donegal South West, Fianna Fail)
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It is very difficult for a lot of people, but hopefully we will be in a position to give clarity on the issue.

Photo of Kathleen LynchKathleen Lynch (Cork North Central, Labour)
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The ball has been dropped three times on this.

Photo of Mary CoughlanMary Coughlan (Donegal South West, Fianna Fail)
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As Deputy O'Sullivan is aware, a number of high-level groups have travelled to Vietnam to deal with the issues.

Photo of Billy KelleherBilly Kelleher (Cork North Central, Fianna Fail)
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We know the real reasons.

Photo of Michael D HigginsMichael D Higgins (Galway West, Labour)
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Last September, when we discussed in the Chamber the response to the Anglo Irish Bank crisis, I got the impression from the Minister for Finance that the companies legislation would be amended to define the role of the public interest directors. Such an amendment would enable the public interest directors who have been appointed at a number of banks to fulfil their role. Under the legislation, their duty is to the shareholders, in a limited sense. I recall the Minister suggested in the debate that if such an amendment was necessary it would be made. When will it come before us? It will enable the public interest directors, for example, to respond to the absence of credit, which is one reason they were put in place.

Photo of John O'DonoghueJohn O'Donoghue (Kerry South, Ceann Comhairle)
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I assume the Tánaiste will contact the Minister for Finance.

Photo of Mary CoughlanMary Coughlan (Donegal South West, Fianna Fail)
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The Companies Act 1990 comes under my Department. As the Deputy is aware, we are carrying out a number of serious reviews of the Act and more than 1,200 sections will be brought before the House for consideration. The specific issue the Deputy mentioned is an overarching one between the Companies Act and what will happen in financial regulation. The view is that issues appertaining to financial regulatory matters will be transferred in due course so they are under the auspices of the Department of Finance rather than my Department. I will deal specifically with companies which are financial institutions but there are other overarching matters that must be dealt with. I will ask the Minister for Finance to prepare a briefing note for the Deputy.

Photo of Michael D HigginsMichael D Higgins (Galway West, Labour)
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While I will not delay the House, one would appreciate that those who have been named, and they have been named from a wide source, will be sitting there, going through the annual meetings of the banks, with the shareholders asking questions. Much more importantly, however, this was an important gesture as to how the public interest is served. If they are to serve the public interest as was the intention, they need legal clarity. I appreciate the memorandum.

Photo of Ciarán LynchCiarán Lynch (Cork South Central, Labour)
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I wish to ask the Tánaiste about three matters regarding legislation. The Minister for the Environment, Heritage and Local Government made two announcements recently, one with regard to electronic voting and the other concerning directly elected mayors. Yesterday in the House, the Taoiseach confirmed that the directly elected mayors will require legislation. When will it come before the House? Given the long overdue decision with regard to the scrapping of the e-voting project, will the dismantling of this project also require legislation?

Photo of John O'DonoghueJohn O'Donoghue (Kerry South, Ceann Comhairle)
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I doubt it.

Photo of Ciarán LynchCiarán Lynch (Cork South Central, Labour)
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We will see.

Photo of Kathleen LynchKathleen Lynch (Cork North Central, Labour)
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The Ceann Comhairle is missed on the other side of the House.

Photo of Ciarán LynchCiarán Lynch (Cork South Central, Labour)
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The meter is still running on that one.

Photo of Michael D HigginsMichael D Higgins (Galway West, Labour)
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They could use the machines for soccer matches.

Photo of Ciarán LynchCiarán Lynch (Cork South Central, Labour)
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On another matter, the Housing (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill has just completed Second Stage. When will Committee Stage be taken and will it be before the summer recess?

Photo of Mary CoughlanMary Coughlan (Donegal South West, Fianna Fail)
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On the issue of directly elected mayors, the Minister for the Environment, Heritage and Local Government is commencing the drafting of that legislation. Naturally, there is a timeframe as there is to be an electoral process and it will be done as quickly as possible. The second issue raised does not require legislation. The third item will be a matter for the Whips to decide and I am sure the Deputy's Whip will express his views on trying to bring that Stage to the House as quickly as possible.

Photo of Ruairi QuinnRuairi Quinn (Dublin South East, Labour)
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With regard to the reintroduction of university fees legislation that has been promised, has the Minister for Education and Science brought the memorandum before Cabinet yet?

Photo of Billy KelleherBilly Kelleher (Cork North Central, Fianna Fail)
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That is speculation, not promised legislation.

Photo of Mary CoughlanMary Coughlan (Donegal South West, Fianna Fail)
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No legislation is promised.

Photo of Ruairi QuinnRuairi Quinn (Dublin South East, Labour)
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It is promised, if the Tánaiste will check the records. Legislation is required to reintroduce the fees and I am asking whether the memorandum has been brought before Government.

Photo of Billy KelleherBilly Kelleher (Cork North Central, Fianna Fail)
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That is speculation.

Photo of Ruairi QuinnRuairi Quinn (Dublin South East, Labour)
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The Government cannot hide it for the local elections. The people in the Public Gallery know they will be paying every year.

Photo of Mary CoughlanMary Coughlan (Donegal South West, Fianna Fail)
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It is not promised. I have not got it.

Photo of John O'DonoghueJohn O'Donoghue (Kerry South, Ceann Comhairle)
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The Tánaiste said no legislation is promised.

Photo of Kathleen LynchKathleen Lynch (Cork North Central, Labour)
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I wish to raise an issue in which the Tánaiste has a particular interest. A little boy called Jack, which is his name and is not an assumed name, is about to lose his special needs assistant. He has a particular need that cannot be covered by the other special needs assistants in the school. When will we see the removal of the suspension of the Education for Persons with Special Educational Needs Act? Things are happening under the suspension of that Act that should not be allowed in any civilised country. It was introduced to ensure that children with special needs in education would be treated properly but the Government walked in during the budget last year and simply suspended it. One would not see it in a dictatorship. When will the suspension be-----

Photo of John O'DonoghueJohn O'Donoghue (Kerry South, Ceann Comhairle)
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The Deputy will have to raise this on the Adjournment.

Photo of Kathleen LynchKathleen Lynch (Cork North Central, Labour)
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The question is when the suspension will be removed.

Photo of John O'DonoghueJohn O'Donoghue (Kerry South, Ceann Comhairle)
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I know what the question is. That is not promised legislation. The Deputy will have to raise this matter on the Adjournment.