Seanad debates

Wednesday, 25 January 2017

10:30 am

Photo of Jerry ButtimerJerry Buttimer (Fine Gael)
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The Order of Business is No. 1, statements on health, to be taken at 12.45 p.m. and conclude not later than 2.30 p.m., with the contributions of group spokespersons not to exceed eight minutes each and those of all other Senators not to exceed five minutes each and the Minister to be called on to reply not later than 2.25 p.m.; No. 2, Knowledge Development Box (Certification of Inventions) Bill 2016 - Committee Stage (resumed), to be taken at 3 p.m and adjourned not later than 4.30 p.m., if not previously concluded; and No. 27, Private Members' business, non-Government motion No.16 re junior cycle history, to be taken at 4.30 p.m., with the time allocated for the debate not to exceed two hours.

Photo of Catherine ArdaghCatherine Ardagh (Fianna Fail)
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Yesterday's edition of the Irish Independentcontained a report by Niall O'Connor on the help-to-buy scheme announced by the Government last October. It is of great concern to me that I have been inundated with queries in my constituency office from first-time buyers who are seeking to purchase properties built by contractors who have not registered with the Revenue Commissioners. The grant under the help-to-buy scheme is unavailable to them on the basis that the contractor has not registered. It is completely unacceptable that they find themselves in this position. Yesterday morning the Revenue Commissioners published a list which included 13 contractors who had registered. By yesterday afternoon 17 contractors in the entire country had registered. I find it extraordinary that the Government has not introduced a mandatory requirement for contractors to register with Revenue in order to assist and protect first-time buyers. The requirements to be met by registering contractors are published on Revenue's website and include evidence of tax compliance, the contractor's VAT details, an up-to-date tax clearance certificate, details of the contractor's address, planning and land holdings. At a time when house prices are rising fast and so many are desperately trying to put the necessary deposit together to buy their first home, the Government is failing first-time buyers badly. It is well and good to announce feel-good schemes in an effort to generate positive publicity, but it is evident from queries to my office and from the Revenue Commissioners who have confirmed the details that the scheme mentioned is not working. I ask the Minister for Housing, Planning, Community and Local Government, Deputy Simon Coveney, and the Minister for Finance, Deputy Michael Noonan, to attend the House to explain why it is not working and there is no mandatory obligation on contractors to register. There are serious faults in the legislation which they need to iron out. They must explain to first-time buyers that they will not receive the grant if contractors are not registered. Many first-time buyers are not aware of this.

Earlier this week the Environmental Protection Agency, EPA, raised concerns about air quality levels in Dublin as 13 of the monitoring stations in the city had reported the lowest air quality rating. High levels of air pollution have been linked with lung and heart disease and can have severe adverse effects on the health of the most vulnerable in society. The EPA has warned those suffering from ill health to avoid strenuous physical activity outside. Low air quality is linked with local pollution sources such as road vehicles and home heating emissions which combine with the cold. I call on the Government to take the issue of air quality more seriously. Low air quality poses a serious threat to the health of the most vulnerable in society.

Photo of Gerard CraughwellGerard Craughwell (Independent)
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There is a problem in Border counties of which I was only made aware last week. When a person living in the Republic suffers trauma or an emergency and is shipped to the nearest hospital, where it is located across the Border, he or she will be treated on arrival, but he or she must pay for treatment. I refer to a person brought to Altnagelvin or Craigavon hospital. Form E111 does not cover a person for medical procedures where he or she is brought to the hospital in an emergency. If on a visit to Enniskillen I have a heart attack and I am brought to hospital, I will be treated for free. It will cost me nothing, but if I am living on the Republic side of the Border, have a heart attack and I am brought to the nearest hospital across the Border, I will be treated as a paying patient. It is an anomaly in the system which must be dealt with as a matter of urgency. As we head into Brexit, I have no idea where we are going with respect to cross-Border medical care.

I have complimented the Leader on the way he runs the House and continue to believe he does an excellent job. However, I have a huge issue with the amount of time allocated for statements on something that was an emergency three weeks ago, namely, the state of the health service. I am not so sure it is beneficial to the Minister to be here today when we could deal with Private Members' business to facilitate the passage of legislation several Members want to introduce. In saying that I am not being critical as there are times when the making of statements is really important. However, the medical crisis has been hammered to death and I am not sure the making of statements here today will help to get one person off a trolley. In fact, the Minister would probably be better employed in doing something to get patients off trolleys rather than having to listen to Senators talk about geographical constituencies which we do not represent in this House. As such, it might be something the Leader and the Committee on Procedure and Privileges could discuss in the future. While there are times when the making of statements is vital, the time to make them is not after the event.

Photo of Rose Conway WalshRose Conway Walsh (Sinn Fein)
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I want to talk about the tracker mortgage scandal and I commend Deputy Pearse Doherty and other Sinn Féin Deputies on moving a motion calling for a full and urgent redress scheme for the 15,000 victims affected by the theft of their money by these banks. We need an overhaul of white collar crime so that the bankers responsible are held to account. In addition, an unspeakable wrong has been done to the individuals and families who lost their homes and those who endured the stress of being hounded by reckless and unsupervised bankers who are fully aware that they were demanding money under false pretences. During our questioning of these banks at the Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach, the banks told us they made a mistake so they all made the same mistake at the same time. The evidence points to a deliberate and calculated plan to implement this practice across the board. The scale of the theft can be seen in the fact that AIB and permanent tsb have made provision for €190 million and €145 million to refund people who were overcharged. One can only imagine the impact on the people affected by this amount of money being taken from them - all the things they had to do without and all the other bills that went unpaid. Where was the Central Bank in all of this and why did it not act sooner?

I fully support the Sinn Féin motion calling for the Central Bank, An Garda Síochána and the Office of the Director of Corporate Enforcement to co-operate with a view to establishing if individuals as well as corporate entities can be held accountable for their part in this scandal. From the start, the scandal has been shrouded in secrecy on the part of the banks, the Central Bank and those appointed to conduct the review. There has been no criteria, no openness and no information. It is all being done behind closed doors. Why is the Bank of Ireland saying that staff with tracker mortgages are not eligible? Customers still do not know where they stand. Some people have received letters while others have not. It is past time for some honesty, accountability and transparency. The arrogance and foot dragging of these banks is disgraceful. I guess that this is the reward we get for giving these bankers a gentle slap on the wrist wrapped in €64 billion worth of citizens' hard-earned money and as well as that of those yet to be born. Perhaps the Icelandic approach would have resulted in a change in behaviour on the part of these bankers. I ask the Leader to ask the Minister for Finance to come before this House to debate the issue of trackers mortgages and, in particular, to commit to a strict deadline for issuing compensation.

Photo of Frances BlackFrances Black (Independent)
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I wish everybody a belated happy new year. I know I am a month behind but it is my first time back.

I got a telephone call yesterday from the mother of a lovely young lad called Shane O'Farrell who was killed in a tragic road traffic accident in County Monaghan on 2 August 2011. Shane was 23 years of age and had completed a law degree in UCD and a master's degree in law in Trinity College. He was just about to start work at the European Parliament. He was killed in a hit-and-run by a foreign national in breach of bail who had 42 convictions and was known in three different jurisdictions at the time. Shane's family believes his death was preventable.

To date, 59 complaints have been submitted to the GSOC inquiry into Shane's case and the O'Farrell family has received no response. The case has been with GSOC for four and a half years, yet there has been no result. This is completely unacceptable. It is unjust that the family must go without answers. The difficulty this family has experienced through losing an only son is horrendous. It is disrespectful to leave the family with no response in respect of Shane's case. The delay is causing ongoing trauma to the family. The man in question is known to Interpol. His convictions include convictions for road traffic offences, drug offences and theft, to name but a few. At the time he killed Shane, he was on bail from the Circuit Courts in Monaghan, Dundalk and Cavan as well as the court in Newry. He continuously re-offended and breached his bail conditions. From reading the files on this case, there appear to be irregularities in the interactions between gardaí and the accused. The O'Farrell family believes that there were multiple failures on the part of An Garda Síochána before and after Shane's death and questions decisions made by the DPP. The family believes a statutory investigation is the only way their questions will be answered. Therefore, I ask the Leader to ask the Minister for Justice and Equality to hold a statutory investigation into Shane's case.

Photo of Kevin HumphreysKevin Humphreys (Labour)
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Today's edition of The Irish Timescarried a report on bogus marriages. I compliment An Garda Síochána and the public servants in the Department of Social Protection who introduced the Civil Registration (Amendment) Act 2014 that allowed An Garda Síochána to tackle this issue. Not only has it reduced the number of bogus marriages in Ireland, but it has also had a positive effect in respect of how women from Portugal and eastern European countries were being exploited through being trafficked into Ireland for bogus marriage purposes. That was a very good job of work on the part of the previous Government. I had the honour of bringing that legislation through this House and the Dáil. The legislation has proved itself to be a job well done.

Air pollution, particularly in Dublin, was raised earlier. Bogus marriages were dealt with through a strategy and proper legislation. The issue of air pollution represents the opposite where policy change has encouraged an increase in the number of diesel cars on our roads, particularly in our cities. This has significantly damaged the health of people living in urban areas. We now have highest number of registrations of diesel cars in Europe. Over 50% of all new cars are diesel cars. These are not really suitable for use in Dublin. Many European cities are now looking at banning diesel cars. I am disappointed that the Fianna Fáil-Green Party Government did not carry out the proper research when they encouraged the increase in the number of diesel cars on the road. This is damaging the health of many citizens. The Department of Finance's proposals were published prior to the last budget and stated that we should look again at this and bring forward policies to reduce the number of diesel cars to improve health and undo the damage done by the Fianna Fáil-Green Party Government.

Photo of Maria ByrneMaria Byrne (Fine Gael)
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I congratulate Limerick woman, Ruth Negga, on her nomination for best actress in this year's Oscars. Even though she was born in Ethiopia, all her family live in Dooradoyle in Limerick. The Malone family is absolutely ecstatic about her nomination. Ruth has always said that she is from Limerick. Ruth's mother was a nurse in Ethiopia when she met her father and Ruth lived there for a number of years, but she always comes back to her Limerick roots and family. The fact that so many Irish people have been nominated for Oscars and the fact that she has been nominated for best actress has inspired me to ask the Leader to ask the Minister for Arts, Heritage, Regional, Rural and Gaeltacht Affairs to come to the House to debate how we can enhance film in Ireland. Troy Studios in Limerick is based on the old Dell plan, has 350,000 sq. ft. of studio space and is the second largest studio outside Dublin. Shannon Airport makes it very accessible. This is an area that Ireland is trying to enhance so I ask the Leader to bring in the Minister for a debate on the film industry and how we can help it.

Photo of Terry LeydenTerry Leyden (Fianna Fail)
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Will the Leader invite the Taoiseach to come to the House to discuss Brexit? Today's edition of the Irish Independentcarries an article that talks about a Brexit "shambles". I cannot understand why a country as affected by what happens in the UK does not have a dedicated Brexit Minister and Department. I suggest that the Departments of Finance and Public Expenditure and Reform be amalgamated. The US has only a finance Department, as has the UK. Michel Barnier, the former French foreign Minister, was appointed as the EU's chief negotiator for Brexit.The Prime Minister, Theresa May, will now have to seek the approval of the House of Commons and the House of Lords to invoke Article 50 and then the negotiations will commence around the end of March. Mr. David Davis, Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union, is leading a new Department but we, in Ireland, have no dedicated Brexit Minister. When we negotiated the Single European Act, we had a dedicated Minister and Department. We are sleepwalking through this crisis.

I met Mr. Frans Timmerman, the first Vice-President of the European Commission, on Monday last in Malta at a Conference of Parliamentary Committees for Union Affairs, COSAC, meeting. I mentioned the possibility of relocating the European Medicines Agency to Ireland, which was also the subject of a Commencement Debate matter earlier today. The view expressed by Mr. Timmerman was that we should take our place in the queue. Senator Frank Feighan and others are pushing for the agency to be relocated here from London and I fully support them in that regard.

We need both a Minister and a Department that are committed to the necessary day-to-day discussions and negotiations. Who is leading the negotiations in Ireland? Is it the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade? Is it the Minister of State at that Department with responsibility for European matters, Deputy Dara Murphy or is it the Taoiseach? The Prime Minister, Theresa May, is not the main negotiator in Britain; Mr. David Davis is charged with the task. The President of the European Commission is not the main negotiator in Europe; that job has been given to Mr. Michel Barnier. This issue must be considered very carefully given that trade between the UK and Ireland is worth €1.2 billion per week and we share a 499 km border. This is the greatest crisis in the 100 years of our existence as an independent Republic.

I appeal to the Taoiseach to consider this now and to set up a dedicated Department with a dedicated Minister so that everyone knows who to go to in the context of Brexit. I do not know who to go to now to discuss Brexit related issues. Brexit is not just an issue for the current Government. It will also impact on future Irish Governments. If I were the Taoiseach I would appoint the Minister for Finance, Deputy Michael Noonan, as our main Brexit negotiator and give responsibility for finance to someone else. Brexit is the most important issue at the moment and he is the one Minister who has gravitas and enjoys respect within the European Union.

Photo of Paul GavanPaul Gavan (Sinn Fein)
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I wish to raise again the issue of the forthcoming elections in the North. I wish to refer, in particular, to a comment made by the Leader in the House yesterday. While I acknowledge that the Leader is a politician who has taken a genuine interest in the North for some time, I take issue with his characterisation of the election in the North as potentially one of orange versus green.

Photo of Jerry ButtimerJerry Buttimer (Fine Gael)
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I did not say that.

Photo of Paul GavanPaul Gavan (Sinn Fein)
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He did say that.

Photo of Jerry ButtimerJerry Buttimer (Fine Gael)
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No, I said I hoped it would not become that. That is what I said.

Photo of Paul GavanPaul Gavan (Sinn Fein)
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Let me be clear. When Sinn Féin talks about the election in the North and when it calls for a bill of rights for all citizens, that is not a green card but a progressive politics card. When we call for equality proofing of budgets, that is something upon which everyone should be able to agree. When we call for full equality for the Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender, LGBT, community and for women, we are engaging in progressive politics in the true sense. Of course Sinn Féin has a vision of an all-island Republic but, to be fair, should every party in this Chamber not have such a vision?

At the weekend we had the Towards a United Ireland conference at which the very well respected Unionist commentator, Mr. Alex Kane, asked where Fianna Fáil, Fine Gael and the Labour Party were in terms of their vision of what a united Ireland would look like because we have not heard from them. They were not my words but those of a respected Unionist commentator. I appeal to everyone in this Chamber not to engage in stereotypes regarding green versus orange -----

Photo of Jerry ButtimerJerry Buttimer (Fine Gael)
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The Senator should have heard his colleague yesterday -----

Photo of Paul GavanPaul Gavan (Sinn Fein)
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He certainly did not do that. Let us be clear -----

Photo of Denis O'DonovanDenis O'Donovan (Fianna Fail)
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Senators must direct their comments to the Chair.

Photo of Paul GavanPaul Gavan (Sinn Fein)
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I am proud to stand behind Sinn Féin's vision of progressive politics and a progressive new Ireland. I would welcome constructive engagement and debate on that but to date, none of the conservative parties have had anything constructive to say in that regard. Where are their policy documents on a united Ireland? This project is well underway and in the aftermath of Brexit, it is more likely to move more quickly than some might think. Let us have a debate on it. Let us call in the appropriate Minister - in my view, that is the Taoiseach - to have a debate on where we all stand with regard to a new Ireland and progressive politics in every county in this country.

Photo of Ray ButlerRay Butler (Fine Gael)
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I wish everybody good health for the coming year.

Yesterday I heard a lot of talk about the rural and social development fund and I welcome the sum of €60 million that has been earmarked for rural Ireland. I wish to talk about the area that I know best, namely retailing in rural towns and about closed shops. There are three major issues that need to be addressed in that regard, namely planning, parking charges and rates. The local authorities must start listening.

The development of out-of-town shopping centres has been detrimental to rural town centres. Most of these shopping centres have free parking spaces for up to 500 cars. In the middle of rural towns, however, where family-run businesses are trying to survive, we have parking charges. Planning permission is granted for free parking on the outskirts of towns but parking charges are imposed in town centres. In England a similar situation arose 15 or 20 years ago when out-of-town centres were built outside cities like Birmingham, London, Manchester and so forth which decimated the city centres. Now one cannot get planning permission in England for out-of-town shopping centres.

The Government is providing incentives for developments which will rejuvenate town and city centres. We have gone in the opposite direction and have been allowing out-of-town shopping centres to be built. I have no problem with the likes of Aldi, Lidl and so forth coming to any town. That said, we must think of the other shopkeepers who have been in the town for a long time. We must also think of our town centres. It is terrible to see 15 or 20 closed shops on the main street in towns like Castlebar because of out-of-town shopping centres. If local authorities are going to continue to give planning permission for out-of-town centres then the parking charges that apply in town centres should be scrapped because they constitute unfair competition. Parking charges should be abolished in the middle of rural town centres if the local authority grants planning permission for out-of-town developments.

The other issue is commercial rates, on which we have done nothing this since the 1800s, although we did help a number of GAA clubs when issues arose a number of years ago. I have seen countless business people being dragged through the courts over the issue of rates. It must be addressed as we move forward.

Photo of Aidan DavittAidan Davitt (Fianna Fail)
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I wish to raise a matter of major importance, namely the defrauding of the State through below-cost selling. This is most prevalent among supermarkets and large retailers. When Tesco, Aldi or any other large retailer sells 24 cans of alcohol for €20 while a nearby retailer is selling at the recommended price of €30, there is a 35% loss of revenue to the State on the €10 differential. I ask the Leader to invite the Minister of State at the Department of Health, Deputy Marcella Corcoran Kennedy, to the House to discuss this in the context of tackling the problem of alcohol abuse. The place to start in that regard is below-cost selling of alcohol, which is a serious issue. It is costing the State a lot of money in lost tax revenue. It is also causing problems in our health service in terms of filling up our hospital beds. This is the place to start.

Photo of Tim LombardTim Lombard (Fine Gael)
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I intended to raise a different issue but following on from Senator Davitt's interesting contribution on alcohol and below-cost selling, I agree that intervention is needed in this area. Something must be done to stop below-cost selling and the best way to do that is to reintroduce the groceries order.It was ended by Deputy Micheál Martin back in the day, but it should not have been. Alcohol was allowed to become a market driver. People were attracted into shops to buy cheap alcohol, the knock-on effect of which was below-cost selling. The groceries order needs to be resumed to deal with this issue. When Deputy Micheál Martin ended it, he drove this issue-----

Photo of Aidan DavittAidan Davitt (Fianna Fail)
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In fairness, bread and milk were the issues at the time, not alcohol.

Photo of Tim LombardTim Lombard (Fine Gael)
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When he drove that issue-----

Photo of Aidan DavittAidan Davitt (Fianna Fail)
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There were no other retailers, such as Aldi or Lidl, in the market.

Photo of Denis O'DonovanDenis O'Donovan (Fianna Fail)
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No interruptions, please.

Photo of Aidan DavittAidan Davitt (Fianna Fail)
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I agree with Senator Lombard's point, but he is not making it correctly.

Photo of Tim LombardTim Lombard (Fine Gael)
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Deputy Micheál Martin drove people into below-cost selling and pushed this situation on. That caused a major issue.

Photo of Aidan DavittAidan Davitt (Fianna Fail)
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Senator Lombard is not making his point correctly.

Photo of Denis O'DonovanDenis O'Donovan (Fianna Fail)
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I remind both Senators that this Bill is on the Order Paper and will be fully discussed, so I will not allow a Second Stage debate on it now. The Senators will have their eight or ten minutes on the issue in the coming weeks and ample time to table amendments.

Photo of Tim LombardTim Lombard (Fine Gael)
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I look forward to the debate and to contributing on it. We must address the kernel of the matter. It cannot be the case that people can buy alcohol more cheaply than water. That is a major issue. We must put a floor on pricing. The only way to do so is by reintroducing the groceries order.

Photo of Keith SwanickKeith Swanick (Fianna Fail)
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Last week, I formally submitted proposed legislation, namely, a declaration of independence day Bill. It would formally recognise the crucial and historic events that were the meeting of the First Dáil and the declaration of independence, made on 21 January 1919, and ensure the designation of 21 January as our declaration of independence day. Given that its 98th anniversary has just passed, it is timely and important that this legislation be in place well in advance of the 100th anniversary in two years' time.

Last year's successful year-long 1916 centenary commemorations saw more than 3,500 events in Ireland and 1,200 abroad. These have introduced a new generation of Irish people to the events of 1916 and their impact on our nation. I have always been struck by how the meeting of the First Dáil and the declaration of independence on 21 January 1919 have not been commemorated to the level they should. On the 90th anniversary in 2009, a fantastic commemoration in the Mansion House was led by the former Taoiseach, Mr. Brian Cowen.

To ensure that 21 January is officially recognised as our declaration of independence day, I have drafted legislation and will seek Senators' support in seeing it through the various Stages. There is no plan to designate a public holiday, but if we passed the legislation, it would allow schools, public bodies and community groups an opportunity to commemorate an important day in an appropriate way.

In proposing the Bill, I am conscious of the need to adopt the correct approach so as to ensure that 21 January 1919, a truly historic day for Ireland, is given the recognition that it deserves. I intend to hold a formal briefing in Leinster House for Members on the proposed legislation and I hope they will be in a position to attend.

Photo of Frank FeighanFrank Feighan (Fine Gael)
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Senator Craughwell raised cross-Border health issues, for example, charging people who present at an emergency department in Enniskillen. There has been a great deal of co-operation in terms of health and I understand that, in recent years, 53,000 people have been treated in this way. If there are irregularities, though, they must be addressed.

An air ambulance based in Athlone has saved many lives in rural areas in the west and midlands. There is now an air ambulance service based out of the former Maze Prison. We need further co-operation, North and South, to cover areas in need. I look forward to the Departments doing that.

Senator Gavan was right about the call. I watched the conference on a united Ireland with interest. When I chaired the Joint Committee on the Implementation of the Good Friday Agreement, and also while I chaired the British-Irish Parliamentary Assembly, I used the term "united Ireland" constantly. However, while I will not call it offensive, some people from another tradition are wary of a united Ireland. I noticed how, when stepping down, Mr. Martin McGuinness called for "Irish unity". It is a much better phrase. I would like to use the phrase "one Ireland" or "an Ireland together". Either way, I agree that a debate is necessary. This is not just a North-South matter, but an east-west one as well.

I come from the tradition of Dr. Garret FitzGerald, the Anglo-Irish Agreement and the Good Friday Agreement. The island of Ireland has taken significant steps, but all sides, including the co-guarantors of the Good Friday Agreement - the British and Irish Governments - need to be involved. I welcome Senator Gavan's helpful submission.

Photo of Michelle MulherinMichelle Mulherin (Fine Gael)
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Naturally, we debate Brexit every day at macro level and in terms of what practical steps can be taken to mitigate the possible fallout. As a practical measure, I wish to make a proposal regarding investment in transport infrastructure. We should seek a derogation from EU state aid rules or to provide a temporary framework. There is precedent.

Ireland West Airport Knock in my area is being hindered in expanding because it cannot manage to match some of the funding available from Europe. It is being asked for 25% but is seeking a 90% derogation. The airport does not have money and is in debt, but it wants to grow infrastructure that is important for our area. Something needs to be done with the state aid rules so that intervention and investment in transport and other infrastructure is allowed. I invite the Minister for Transport, Tourism and Sport, Deputy Ross, to explore the matter with the House. Certain other strategic businesses, such as in the agrifood industry, which will be affected severely, could benefit from a temporary derogation or framework on state aid. When we have good ideas, we are often told left, right and centre that we cannot pursue them because of state aid rules. We are approaching a critical time for our economy and our future and my proposal would allow for a practical debate. Every Department is playing a role and infrastructure is important.

Photo of Paul CoghlanPaul Coghlan (Fine Gael)
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I was concerned to read in this morning's edition of The Irish Timesthat, according to recent Red C research, Britons who intended on holidaying in Ireland would be staying for considerably shorter periods and spending much less money. That surprised me. According to Tourism Ireland, 40% of our overseas visitors come from our neighbouring nation and, with the inevitable fluctuations in currencies, that 40% will now be more inclined to holiday within the UK as opposed to Ireland. This will have a knock-on effect on tourists from the Continent and further afield who may opt for UK destinations instead.

During the past six years, the Government has met with unparalleled success in promoting Ireland as a tourism destination. In particular, 2016 was a fantastic year, with our 8.9 million overseas visitors representing an increase of 11%. However, Brexit presents the greatest challenge to our tourism success story. The tourism sector could quickly find that its foundations are built on quicksand if we do not continue to prove an attractive and competitive place for holidaymakers.

It would be prudent if the Leader arranged for the Minister to attend the House in early course and outline the Government's strategy for promoting Irish tourism, with specific regard to the Brexit fallout.

Photo of Denis O'DonovanDenis O'Donovan (Fianna Fail)
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The Leader to respond.

Photo of Jerry ButtimerJerry Buttimer (Fine Gael)
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The Cathaoirleach caught me by surprise. I thank the 16 Senators for their contributions on the Order of Business.

I share Senator Ardagh's concerns about the help-to-buy scheme and thank her for raising the matter. The scheme was established by the Government to help first-time buyers, given the critical difficulty in the market. The Government made no apologies about that because it wanted to promote home ownership and allow people to buy.Any roadblocks in that scheme should be ironed out and immediately changed. It is important that we allow for the scheme to work and if there are teething problems for them to be ironed out. I am happy for the Minister to come to the House. In order to expedite the matter, I suggest the Senator table a Commencement matter on the issue because it is important and I share her concern about it.

Senator Ardagh and Senator Humphreys raised the issue of air pollution and the impact it is having on the lives of many home owners and residents in the city of Dublin in particular. It is a source of concern that 13 of the areas that were mentioned are inadequate in terms of air quality. It is important that the Minister, Deputy Naughten, along with the EPA, are allowed to work together on the matter. It is clear that there is a need to consider other initiatives and schemes for diesel cars, as Senator Humphreys rightly said. There is a proposal to ban the use of diesel cars in some European cities. Over time the Government has taken initiatives to improve the quality of vehicles but it is a good idea to invite the Minister, Deputy Naughten, to the House to discuss the issue.

Senators Craughwell, Mulherin and Leyden raised Brexit. In the context of the cross-Border initiative in health raised by Senator Craughwell, there is very strong North-South co-operation on arrangements and protocols in the health sector. Senator Feighan made a similar comment. I would be happy for the Minister to come to the House to discuss the matter Senator Craughwell raised. If he has a specific issue regarding medical care, he could come back to me with it because there is a very good North-South relationship with people being treated for various issues in Donegal, Altnagelvin and Craigavon.

Senator Conway Walsh raised the scandal of tracker mortgages. All of us in the House support the people with tracker mortgages who were affected. They were the unwilling victims of the crisis. However, she did not mention that the finance committee is investigating the matter. The Governor of the Central Bank was before the committee prior to the Christmas recess. The Central Bank is undertaking an investigation and that work is under way. The report will come back to the finance committee of the Houses of the Oireachtas. The Governor of the Central Bank will also come back to the committee. It is important that people are put on the correct rate. As the Minister, Deputy Noonan, said last night, people should be punished for wrongdoing in that regard. It is a bit opportunistic of Senator Conway Walsh to come to the House this morning and not to give credit to the Oireachtas for the work that is already under way. We all share the sentiment underlying the thrust of the motion that those who are on the wrong mortgage, the victims, should not be penalised and people should be brought to task for what has happened.

Senator Black raised a very tragic issue, namely, the death of Shane O'Farrell. I join her in sympathising with his family. I will ask the Minister for Justice and Equality to reply to her request. I do not have the up-to-date position on it but any measure that could give solace and comfort and a sense of closure in terms of the investigation on the cause of death should be considered. I cannot give a commitment but I will ask the Minister to liaise with the Senator on the matter.

Senator Humphreys raised bogus marriages. I join him in commending all those involved. I pay tribute to him because in his former guise as a Minister of State he was very proactive on the issue and we worked together on it. We must be very vigilant on the issue because, as we saw from the events in Dublin Airport this week, there are many different ways in which people try to come into the country and stay here. The Senator raised a very important point. I commend all those involved in the matter he raised.

Senator Byrne raised the issue of Ruth Negga and the Oscars. I wish her well and hope she secures an Oscar. I would be happy to have the Minister come to the House to discuss the arts.

Senator Leyden raised the issue of Brexit and who is involved in the negotiations. The Taoiseach is the lead person in the Government on Brexit.

Photo of Paul GavanPaul Gavan (Sinn Fein)
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That is the problem.

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He has appointed John Callan as a second Secretary General to lead a new division dealing with Brexit in the Department. It is important that we put Brexit in context. The Government is not standing idly by. The Taoiseach is not just sitting in his office twiddling his thumbs. He is travelling Europe and negotiating quietly and effectively with other European and world leaders. It is important that we remain committed to getting a very good deal for our country. I accept there are huge challenges facing Ireland. Those of us who attended the IBEC briefing on Brexit this morning and who understand the situation from our dealings with various organisations realise it is important that we have a co-ordinated approach. I accept Senator Leyden is involved in Europe himself. It is also important that we do not try to score political points. We must ensure we have a strong interest in terms of the North but equally in terms of this country and the various component parts of the economy.

Photo of Terry LeydenTerry Leyden (Fianna Fail)
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Why is Theresa May not taking control of Brexit instead of giving it to a Minister?

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I cannot answer for the British Government.

Photo of Terry LeydenTerry Leyden (Fianna Fail)
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I am not criticising the Taoiseach at all.

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It was a very cogent point.

Photo of Terry LeydenTerry Leyden (Fianna Fail)
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Thank you, a Chathaoirligh. I appreciate that.

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The Government has a comprehensive and clear plan on Brexit. What we must do is protect and advance our country's interests whether it is in regard to trade and the economy, Northern Ireland, the peace process and the issue of a physical Border, the common travel area or the future of the European Union. We are very clear on what we are doing. The Taoiseach is a member of the European People's Party, the largest grouping in the European Parliament and among the Heads of State and Government in Europe. To be fair, we have had discussions and we will have discussions again about how we as a House can progress our case and our cause. I will be happy to work with everyone. If Senator Leyden has suggestions, I will be happy to pass them on. I am not trying to minimise his contribution or denigrate him in any way. It is important that we do that.

Photo of Terry LeydenTerry Leyden (Fianna Fail)
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It is a genuine view that I have.

Photo of Jerry ButtimerJerry Buttimer (Fine Gael)
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It is too serious an issue for Members to come in here and try to score points. I do not say that is what Senator Leyden is doing.

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No, I am not.

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Senator Leyden should allow me to finish. The issue is far too important for that.

Senator Gavan spoke about the elections in the North. I think he completely misrepresented the point I made yesterday. I understand that in the cauldron of election battles people take positions but what I said yesterday is that language is important and the contribution of certain Senators yesterday was very political and one sided. I have always taken the view that we must take an all-island approach to the North. It is about the people of the North having their say in who they elect to the assembly in Stormont. The point I made is that I hope people will not wrap a green, white or orange flag around themselves but that they will represent their communities at the table and campaign in a free and fair election. I do not agree with his point about the Government being remiss. It is working to achieve the continued implementation of the Good Friday Agreement and to ensure the stability and peace that has been brought to the North of Ireland will continue. We will work with all sides in that regard. I do not want to see a stereotypical debate. I have good time for Senator Gavan but I challenge him to look at the record of his party's Members in pursuit of the LGBT agenda in particular and see what was achieved there.

Senator Butler raised the rural development fund. He made a very important point about planning, parking and rates. I am happy to have the Minister to come to the House for such a debate.

Senators Davitt and Lombard raised the issue of below-cost selling. As the Cathaoirleach rightly said, the Minister was ready to bring the alcohol Bill before the House. It is important that we all understand alcohol is a market driver. We would all unite around measures to see that being diluted in some shape or form because none of us can excuse the fact that alcohol is now cheaper per unit than water. Senator Lombard is correct that it was the abolition of the groceries order that led to this situation.

I commend Senator Swanick on the Bill he is introducing to commemorate the importance of 21 January 1919. It is a very historic day. At the risk of introducing a discordant note, I do not think it should be considered the declaration of independence day because I do not think we are all independent yet. We have yet to achieve a thirty-two county Ireland. I am a very strong proponent of that. However, we should all support what he is trying to do because that day in 1919 is a very important one for our country. Senator Feighan also raised that matter.

Senator Mulherin raised the very topical issue of state aid rules. I would be happy to have the Minister for Transport, Tourism and Sport come to the House to discuss that issue. One of the points made at the IBEC briefing this morning was about infrastructural investment, state aid rules and public private partnerships.We must examine how we can address the deficits in infrastructure. In this regard, we will need to revisit state aid rules, the funding available from the European Investment Bank and public private partnerships.

Senator Paul Coghlan referred to tourism and, in particular, the findings of the Red C research mentioned in today's edition of The Irish Times which indicate that tourists from the United Kingdom will stay for shorter periods and spend less money. It is important to state the tourism sector has experienced huge growth in the past few years. This and the previous Government have probably been the most pro-tourism Governments we have ever had. It is important that those involved in the industry play their role, including in pricing. As stated by the Senator, prices must be attractive and competitive. Those of us who stay in hotels know that their rates and food prices have increased exponentially. We have all heard the stories told on various programmes about the cost of accommodation increasing when concerts and big games are announced. It is important that those involved in the tourism industry work with everybody else to ensure Ireland's product will remain competitive to attract overseas visitors. If I were a tourist and wanted to visit Ireland, I would be put off by the price of hotel accommodation in Dublin, for example. The Irish Hotels Federation and the tourism industry as a whole have a duty to work with the rest of us to ensure Ireland will remain competitive and attractive. The Government is willing to work them to achieve that end.

I welcome Mr. Adrian Hogan from Limerick who is in the Visitors Gallery. He has visited the local authorities in the 32 counties of Ireland and had his photograph taken with the mayors and cathaoirligh of many local authorities. I congratulate and thank him for the work he has done. I am sure the pictorial record which I understand will be incorporated into a book for publication will be a fitting legacy of his travels.

Order of Business agreed to.

Sitting suspended at 12.25 p.m. and resumed at 12.50 p.m.