Seanad debates

Wednesday, 1 December 2010

12:00 pm

Photo of Ivana BacikIvana Bacik (Independent)
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Is the acting leader in a position to say whether we can take a gap between the two Stages?

Photo of Rónán MullenRónán Mullen (Independent)
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What would constitute a sufficiently expansive gap?

Photo of David NorrisDavid Norris (Independent)
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This House must insist upon a gap. This is outrageous and a real abnegation of democracy.

Photo of Paddy BurkePaddy Burke (Fine Gael)
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I can act only within the order before the House which states we must take all Stages now. Is amendment No. 1 being pressed?

Photo of Ivana BacikIvana Bacik (Independent)
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I will press it if we are to take all Stages now but will press it on Report Stage if that is to follow shortly.

Photo of David NorrisDavid Norris (Independent)
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If it proves impossible for Senator Bacik to have her amendment considered within this timeframe, this Bill is probably constitutionally suspect.

Photo of Paddy BurkePaddy Burke (Fine Gael)
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Senator Bacik will not be able to submit-----

Photo of David NorrisDavid Norris (Independent)
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That is an outrage. I demand that we listen to the Acting Leader and that we ask him to ensure the democratic processes are fulfilled.

Photo of Paddy BurkePaddy Burke (Fine Gael)
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I call the Acting Leader.

Photo of Denis O'DonovanDenis O'Donovan (Fianna Fail)
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If it is helpful, I do not have a problem in creating a gap between Committee and Report Stages. I was late for the Order of Business and did not realise that both Stages had been ordered. The Bill is relatively short.

Photo of Paddy BurkePaddy Burke (Fine Gael)
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Is the Acting Leader making an amendment to the Order of Business?

Photo of Denis O'DonovanDenis O'Donovan (Fianna Fail)
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I do not have a problem with that. There is a suggestion that the House would-----

Photo of David NorrisDavid Norris (Independent)
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I thank the Acting Leader. A significant point has been won by this side.

Photo of Denis O'DonovanDenis O'Donovan (Fianna Fail)
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I believe the Minister agrees that there should be a time gap.

Photo of David NorrisDavid Norris (Independent)
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Hear, hear.

Photo of Ivana BacikIvana Bacik (Independent)
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I am grateful to the Acting Leader for that but I would like to know what type of gap he intends before I agree to it.

Photo of David NorrisDavid Norris (Independent)
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Mind the gap.

Photo of Ivana BacikIvana Bacik (Independent)
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To be fair, we would need to take Report Stage on a different day if the Minister wishes to take advice. We would need to put it on a different day, to be fair.

Photo of Eugene ReganEugene Regan (Fine Gael)
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On a point of order, we agree to take the next Stage next week. There is no big issue.

Photo of Denis O'DonovanDenis O'Donovan (Fianna Fail)
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While it is an important issue, it will not take up a full day.

Photo of Ivana BacikIvana Bacik (Independent)
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It will be very quick but I would be grateful if the matter could be dealt with next week on Report Stage.

Photo of David NorrisDavid Norris (Independent)
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I express my gratitude to the acting leader. This is an important moment for the House.

Photo of Denis O'DonovanDenis O'Donovan (Fianna Fail)
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I might lose my position as acting leader.

Photo of Dermot AhernDermot Ahern (Louth, Fianna Fail)
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Now that peace has reigned, as I indicated I had no problem going into next week, I would not want any of that to suggest we may come back with an agreement on the amendment because, as I said, we considered this previously. We will consider it again and ask that the opinions, rather than the suspicions, of the other side of the House be taken into account.

Photo of Denis O'DonovanDenis O'Donovan (Fianna Fail)
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I propose that Report Stage be taken next week.

Photo of Paddy BurkePaddy Burke (Fine Gael)
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Is that agreed? Agreed.