Seanad debates
Wednesday, 4 June 2008
Business of Seanad
10:00 pm
Dan Boyle (Green Party)
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I propose an amendment to the Order of Business, that business be interrupted at 10.30 p.m. this evening and that Committee Stage of this Bill be resumed at a time to be determined on tomorrow's Order of Business.
Pat Moylan (Fianna Fail)
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Is the proposal for dealing with No. 6 agreed?
Maurice Cummins (Fine Gael)
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We object to that. The Order of Business was agreed and everybody made arrangements today. We are not acceding to the request that the Order of Business be changed at this stage. We have people who will be let go tomorrow and we are talking about having people back again. It may inconvenience many people but the Order of Business was agreed here this morning and to change it at 10.30 p.m. is a bit much.
Maurice Cummins (Fine Gael)
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There has been no consultation whatsoever.
Dan Boyle (Green Party)
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The situation is one of ministerial availability and the fact that at this stage and after opening up the debate earlier today and resuming at 7.30 p.m., we have reached amendment No. 27 of 130 amendments. It does not seem technically feasible to reach all those amendments this evening. Neither is it in the tradition of this House to put in place a guillotine. Therefore, what we propose is to interrupt business tonight and resume with an opening time and no closing time tomorrow. That seems to be in the interests of this House.
Maurice Cummins (Fine Gael)
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On a point of order, we have not just reached amendment No. 27. We have dealt with at least another 50 amendments because they have been discussed with other amendments. I reckon there are only about 20 or so amendments remaining.
Pat Moylan (Fianna Fail)
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The Acting Leader is proposing that the Order of Business be amended to interrupt this business at 10.30 p.m. and to resume tomorrow with the Bill. That amendment has been moved——
Jim Walsh (Fianna Fail)
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My understanding of what the Acting Leader said was that we would get further information on the Order of Business in the morning, which does not necessarily imply that the debate will be held tomorrow. This Bill deserves two days and I am not sure it should follow tomorrow but that is a matter for the Leader and the Whips.
Joe O'Toole (Independent)
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On a point of order, both sides could approach it in this sense. The Order of Business was ordered today. I do not know if the word "conclude" was used on the Order of Business. In that sense, the House could decide to finish its business at some stage. On the other hand, the point made by Senator Cummins is correct. It might be unfair for people who have already made diary arrangements for tomorrow afternoon in that sense. Perhaps that is the in-between position. Some closing time should be agreed tonight but that the debate would not necessarily resume tomorrow afternoon. That is unfair on people.
Dan Boyle (Green Party)
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To be helpful, I was suggesting that the matter be addressed on tomorrow's Order of Business. If it is possible to follow through on it tomorrow, there would be a willingness to do so. However, if there are difficulties with that, we will discuss the matter further. As of now, there is a need to interrupt the business and continue the debate at a time to be determined.
Maurice Cummins (Fine Gael)
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Have we an undertaking from the Leader that it will not dealt with tomorrow?
Alex White (Labour)
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On a point of order, will the Acting Leader undertake to consult with the leaders prior to the Order of Business tomorrow?
Dan Boyle (Green Party)
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We have to ensure that whatever appears on the Order of Business has proper consultation and has been agreed with the leaders.
Joe O'Reilly (Fine Gael)
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Is it in order to point out that people have come here especially and are waiting for this? It is not fair to them.
Joe O'Reilly (Fine Gael)
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There are people here who have been waiting all night.
Dan Boyle (Green Party)
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I move that the debate on No. 6 be interrupted at 10.30 p.m. tonight.
The Dail Divided:
For the motion: 22 (Dan Boyle, Martin Brady, Larry Butler, Ivor Callely, John Carty, Mark Daly, John Ellis, Geraldine Feeney, John Gerard Hanafin, Cecilia Keaveney, Terry Leyden, Marc MacSharry, Brian Ó Domhnaill, Labhrás Ó Murchú, Francis O'Brien, Fiona O'Malley, Ned O'Sullivan, Ann Ormonde, Kieran Phelan, Jim Walsh, Mary White, Diarmuid Wilson)
Against the motion: 12 (Paul Bradford, Jerry Buttimer, Paudie Coffey, Paul Coghlan, Maurice Cummins, Paschal Donohoe, Nicky McFadden, Rónán Mullen, David Norris, Joe O'Reilly, John Paul Phelan, Alex White)
Tellers: Tá, Senators Fiona O'Malley and Diarmuid Wilson; Níl, Senators Maurice Cummins and Joe O'Reilly.
Question declared carried.