Dáil debates

Wednesday, 30 November 2022

Horse and Greyhound Racing Fund Regulations 2022: Motion

 

2:17 pm

Photo of Charlie McConalogueCharlie McConalogue (Donegal, Fianna Fail)
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I move:

That Dáil Éireann approves the following Regulations in draft: Horse and Greyhound Racing Fund Regulations 2022, copies of which were laid in draft form before Dáil Éireann on the 13th October, 2022.

An important pillar of Government policy is to ensure that the horse and greyhound racing industries achieve their maximum potential, and in so doing, contribute to economic and social development over a wide geographic distribution across the country. The horse and greyhound racing industries make a valuable contribution to a balanced regional economy. It is estimated that the thoroughbred industry has an annual economic impact of €1.84 billion and provides direct and indirect employment to 29,000 people. The greyhound sector benefits an estimated 10,000 people. The thoroughbred industry in particular brings a high level of international investment into Ireland. Government funding, in addition to supporting these key industries, presents an excellent opportunity to yield a high return for its investment, leading to a flow of income right through the economy, thereby providing widespread benefits to society. Support for certain strategic industries is important for future economic growth and provides widespread benefits for our society as well as for our economy.

Successive Governments have acknowledged the importance of these industries and have supported them through legislation and consistent policy initiatives. The support provided by public funds through investment in these industries has enabled Ireland to develop a world class reputation for excellence in horse racing, greyhound racing and breeding. The horse and greyhound racing industries receive financial support from the State through the Horse and Greyhound Racing Fund, under section 12 of the Horse and Greyhound Racing Act, 2001. Payments are made from the fund to Horse Racing Ireland, HRI, and to Rásaíocht Con Éireann, RCÉ. In the period from 2001 up to now, a total of €1.54 billion has been paid from the fund to the horse and greyhound racing industries in accordance with the provisions of the Act. The cumulative upper limit on payments from the fund, provided for under the relevant regulations, has been reached. Exchequer support provided from the fund is crucial to the continued development of the horse and greyhound racing industries. In order to give effect to the provisions of this year's budget for 2023, this cumulative upper limit must be increased by regulation, which is why we are here today.

The Estimates for the Department, passed by both Houses of the Oireachtas as part of budget 2023, include an allocation of €91million for the Horse and Greyhound Racing Fund. This will be distributed in accordance with the provisions of the Act, with 80%, or €72.8 million, going to HRI and 20%, or €18.2 million, going to RCÉ. In order to allow the Department to provide the moneys allocated in the budget, it is necessary to comply with the technical requirement under the Act, to increase the cumulative limit on the amount payable from the Horse and Greyhound Racing Fund by €91 million to €1.64 billion. This is achieved by way of the regulations submitted to the House today. The aggregate limit on the Horse and Greyhound Racing Fund was increased in this manner in 2004, and from 2009 to 2022.

In the context of the horse racing industry, the Deloitte report, Economic Impact Of Irish Breeding and Racing 2017, which was commissioned by HRI, indicates that the total economic impact and stimulated direct expenditure of the Irish breeding and racing industry is estimated at €1.84 billion, based on 2016 figures. In addition, it was estimated that the industry supports the direct and indirect employment of 29,000 people. Horse racing generates a very significant return to the rural economy in Ireland and a positive international profile for the country also. Of course, behind all the facts and figures are very much the thousands of men and women who directly and indirectly make our Irish racing industry what it is and what it has been built up to be.

As proven to date in 2022, Irish owners, trainers, jockeys and horses are setting standards globally as has been the case in all years, and their stellar achievements and enduring influence underscore our country's international prominence in the industry. We are the second largest producer of bloodstock in the world by value sold after the USA and we have the world's third highest number of thoroughbreds foaled each year after the USA and Australia.

Statistics released by HRI for horse racing and breeding in the country for the first six months of 2022 point to a continued resilience in the industry.

While some metrics are down year on year, many figures compare favourably with the first six months of 2019, which was the last full comparable year prior to the Covid pandemic. A strong welfare and integrity foundation is crucial and this is recognised throughout the industry. We continue to work with HRI, the Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board, IHRB, and other relevant stakeholders to ensure the highest standards of integrity and welfare are maintained.

In that regard, in November last year, the Joint Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine published a report on horse racing in Ireland. At the committee's request, an international equine anti-doping expert, Dr. Craig Suann, was commissioned to conduct an independent review of the IHRB's equine anti-doping programme. This review concluded that the programme does "at least match international best practice in most respects and has made significant advances in recent years." Nevertheless, further improvements are always possible. HRI has informed the Department that it spent some €5.4 million on a suite of equine welfare initiatives in 2021 and has indicated a €5.8 million welfare spend for this year. These initiatives include support for animal welfare bodies to identify new careers for horses when they exit racing, infrastructural improvements at race courses to mitigate risks to horses and support for the Irish Equine Centre.

According to the 2021 Power report, the greyhound racing industry provides and supports considerable employment directly and indirectly. It is estimated that the industry supported more than 4,000 full-time and part-time jobs in the economy in 2019. In addition, there are over 6,000 active greyhound owners. The total number of people deriving economic benefit from the sector was estimated by the report at over 10,000.

The funding provided to the greyhound racing sector helps sustain a long-standing tradition as the industry is part of the social fabric of our country. This funding underpins economic activity across the country and is of particular importance in rural Ireland. The future of the industry is dependent on a strong governance platform and the highest standards of integrity and welfare, founded on a strong regulatory system. There is a strong commitment to improved animal welfare in this sector in the programme forGovernment. Future funding of the sector is contingent on welfare standards being upheld and this is reflected the work of my officials in their liaisons and engagement with RCÉ.

Provisions in the Greyhound Racing Act 2019, which came into effect on 28 May 2019, will make a real difference in this regard. That legislation strengthens the legal basis for the industry, with a view to fortifying the integrity of the greyhound racing sector and improving provision for greyhound traceability. The Act improves the governance of RCÉ, strengthens its regulatory controls, modernises sanctions and improves integrity within the sector. It provides the industry with real tools needed to effect fundamental change and reform. It facilitates the board in focusing on its priority objective of achieving the highest standards of care and welfare of greyhounds. Further commencement orders for the small number of remaining sections will continue to be phased in as expediently as possible, ensuring that the important heritage associated with greyhound racing in the country can continue under the appropriate rules and regulations.

A key element of the new legislation is the provision for the first time for a full IT traceability system which RCÉ put into operation on 11 January last year. That system provides a mechanism to ensure that racing greyhounds are properly registered and traceable throughout their lives. Data from the system at the end of September this year indicate that 32,474 greyhounds were subject to traceability. It is intended that the RCÉ traceability system, RCÉTS, phase 2 will be developed further next year. This will include additional functionality to facilitate the recording of injuries at RCÉ-licensed stadiums during racing and official and unofficial trials, as well as the capture of medical details, recording of sampling history and adverse analytical findings and report details of offences. In addition to its care and welfare programme, RCÉ undertakes a comprehensive range of activities in the areas of regulatory, integrity and laboratory functions. This includes welfare inspections and investigations, testing regimes, veterinary services, financial support for the Irish Retired Greyhound Trust and contributions to private rehoming agencies.

Given the wide geographic distribution of these two industries, they are fundamental to the achievement and continuation of balanced regional economic growth. Nurturing rural economies is a key priority for the Government, reflected in the investment it has undertaken and the initiatives it is pursuing. These industries should be given recognition for the considerable contribution that they make to rural activity and employment. The welfare of horses and greyhounds is a cornerstone of both industries, and I am assured by HRI and RCÉ that they are striving to ensure the highest standards for the sports and their participants on and away from the racecourse. The Horse and Greyhound Racing Fund has played a key role in providing the investment needed and has been instrumental in shaping the destiny of both these industries. Accordingly, I seek the support of the House to ensure that HRI and RCÉ receive the funding provided for in budget 2023 for the important role played by these industries and the economic activity supported by them.

I commend the regulations to the House and look forward to listening to the contributions of Members, following on from the significant engagement we had at the Oireachtas committee recently.

2:27 pm

Photo of Matt CarthyMatt Carthy (Cavan-Monaghan, Sinn Fein)
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I move amendment No. 2:

To insert the following after "13th October, 2022": "; that the Minister for Agriculture, Food and the Marine shall:
— conduct a full review of the Exchequer funding to the Horse and Greyhound Racing Fund (Fund) with a view to examining:

— the social and economic impact of the Fund, including the efficacy of the Fund in supporting the development of both sectors, the broadest cohort of those involved in both sectors and rural communities;

— whether the use of the Fund to subsidise prize funds represents best value for money; and

— the efficacy of the Fund in ensuring the highest levels of animal welfare standards; and
— report to Dáil Éireann within six months of these Regulations being adopted on the findings of the review".
I welcome members of the Blayney Blades, one of the great community organisations from County Monaghan, who are visiting the Dáil today. Cuirim fáilte rompu uilig.

Nobody disputes, or at least the vast majority of people accept, that horse racing and greyhound racing are important aspects of our rural communities and generate significant economic input in such communities, many of whom have few other economic generators. Few dispute that the State is right to support both sectors financially. Sinn Féin supports the principal of supporting the horse and greyhound racing sectors in order to ensure they contribute to the greatest possible extent to rural communities and our domestic economy and to ensure we can insist on the highest standards of integrity, transparency, accountability and animal welfare.

We are debating today a proposal to deliver taxpayer funds of €91 million to those sectors. No rationale has ever been provided for arriving at that figure. It is a huge sum of money. The Sinn Féin amendment requests that the Minister conduct a full review of all funding in respect of this fund. Such a review should analyse: the economic impact of the fund, including its efficacy in supporting the development of both sectors, the broadest cohort of those involved in the sectors and rural communities; whether the portion of the funds used, particularly by HRI, to subsidise prize funds is the best value for money; and the efficacy of the funding in ensuring the highest animal welfare standards.

A similar motion and amendment was brought forward last year and the Minister rejected it on the basis that this type of analysis is conducted all the time. There is no evidence that such an analysis has ever been carried out by the Department and nobody has ever provided a rational basis for a fund now approaching €100 million per annum that is divided 80% to 20% between HRI and RCÉ regardless of the circumstances.

We asked the Comptroller and Auditor General to look at this. It is the only aspect of State funding we can find where two distinct and separate organisations have their funding linked on a pro rata basis to this degree. It makes no sense. The Minister told the committee last week that he looks at the business cases provided by the organisations and then decides the horse and greyhound funding for the subsequent year.

It is impossible to accept, and is verging on the unbelievable, to suggest that every single year two separate business cases are brought before the Department and every single year those cases make a sufficiently worthy appeal to get taxpayers to fund the tune of tens of millions of euros based on an 80:20 split. It does not make sense and it does not stand up to scrutiny. It certainly does not inspire confidence that this fund is subjected to the highest levels of accountability and transparency we should expect in respect of funds. The conditionality that is associated is incredibly limited. There are no results-based criteria on which this fund is dependent. Either organisation can say it is spending a portion of the fund on animal welfare but there is no basis on which we can actually assess whether that level of funding has made an impact on improving the reputation which has been tarnished by animal welfare issues which have been made public in recent years.

It has been well rehearsed that there have been issues within the greyhound sector. I accept that many within the sector have gone to great lengths to address those issues. We also know that there have been issues in respect of horse racing which have damaged the reputation of that industry. Again, those activities have been carried out by a minority. The need to address that reputational damage is not helped when the Minister cites an independent expert who carried out a review of the anti-doping measures. His assessment from his report is that Ireland meets the highest of international standards. That would be all well and good if that international expert had actually set foot on the island of Ireland while conducting that exercise. However, it was an entirely computer-based model without attending any racetrack, without attending any stables and without speaking to anybody directly involved in the sector or on a farm.

Concerns have been raised. As a substantial amount of taxpayers' money is involved, it is not good enough to say that because we support certain sectors, we support whatever sum of money the Department decides without knowing the basis for how it reached that sum of money. The Minister has not explained the increase from what was allocated in 2017 to the sum of money proposed today. He never set out precisely how he came to the conclusion that €11 million in additional funding is needed today as opposed to four years ago. On what rationale is that based? How did he come to the decision that it should be distributed once again on a perfect 80:20 basis? I urge the Minister to accept our amendment to ensure we have higher standards of accountability and transparency for this public money. We need to restore public confidence in both sectors and ensure both sectors and everybody involved benefits from this funding as well as the communities in which they live.

2:37 pm

Photo of Martin BrowneMartin Browne (Tipperary, Sinn Fein)
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I commend Deputy Carthy on tabling the amendment and I hope the Government will accept it.

The horse and greyhound industry plays a significant role in my county of Tipperary. Whether it is the small operator with a couple of dogs or horses or the larger operators, the contribution they make to my home county cannot be understated and must be supported. These sectors provide great employment.

When we are asked to approve the expenditure of such an amount of taxpayers' money, we must be sure there is full transparency, not just from the organisations that distribute it, but also from the Department in terms of how the fund is delivered and overseen. It needs to be guaranteed to deliver the social, economic and animal welfare benefits it is supposed to.

It is with these matters in mind that we have submitted the amendment to which Deputy Carthy has referred. I will speak on this shortly. Last year, when a similar amendment was rejected by the Minister, I asked him why he was so opposed to it. That is the purpose of making these contributions today.

Last year I questioned how effective the fund is in supporting the smaller operators in both of these sectors. I pointed out that this was not just my view but also the view expressed to me by those operating in the sectors. I expressed the perception that the money given through the fund does not make its way to the small operators in the manner many believe it should. That question stands.

Figures from last year show that the lion’s share of the horse racing prize fund was shared among a small number of the owners and trainers who could not be described as anything but elite. In the greyhound sector, there is discontent at how private tracks are more or less expected to make their own way in life, and that the level of engagement with them by GRI is minimal and funding is piecemeal. This, of course, affects the smaller operators, who say they do not see the benefits of substantial State funding.

I cannot go any further before discussing the importance of adequate oversight and transparency on the Department’s side when deciding on the fund without taking animal welfare into account. Confidence in the sector hinges upon satisfaction with welfare standards in both horse racing and greyhound racing. The majority of those involved treat their animals with the highest level of welfare standards in mind. Is the Minister confident the manner in which the fund is used is as effective as possible in assisting this? Is he satisfied the board is engaging with stakeholders to the extent those operators would deem adequate on greyhound rehoming for example? When deciding upon the level of funding, what account did the Minister take of the slow pace with which CCTV is installed in stables at racecourses? We need to ensure the level of detail the Minster applies to these matters and a range of others is as firm as the industries and the public in general demand.

My final point relates to the arbitrary way the fund is divided, and the approach the Department has taken in deciding that Horse Racing Ireland gets €72.8 million and Greyhound Racing Ireland €18.2 million. As I said, the 80:20 split seems arbitrary, and I question if the needs of one sector versus the other is taken into account. We in Sinn Féin support the sectors and we want the sectors and the public to have confidence. That is why we are proposing a full review of the Exchequer funding to the fund with a view to examining its social and economic impact and its effectiveness in supporting the development of both sectors and the rural communities to which they contribute. We are also proposing that this be done to examine whether the use of the fund to subsidise prize funds represents best value for money and its effectiveness in ensuring the highest levels of animal welfare standards. This can be done by the Minister reporting to the Dáil within six months of these regulations being adopted.

I earlier asked if the Minister rejects our amendment to outline why he is so opposed to it.

Photo of Alan KellyAlan Kelly (Tipperary, Labour)
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The Labour Party also has an amendment.

Traditionally the Labour Party has supported this fund but as the years go on, we need to look at how it is functioning. It is out of place with how the budgetary process works. It was put in at a certain time. The formula by which the calculations are made are locked from that time. In this year of all years the Minister needs to look at it before it comes through a budgetary cycle next year. Along with Deputy Carthy, I am a member of the Committee of Public Accounts. We do not know of any other sector with a formula used in this way. We support funding for both industries. I come from Tipperary, literally a few fields away from where Tiger Roll was bred. It is probably the biggest county in Ireland when it comes to both horse racing and greyhound racing. While supporting the funding, we need to look at the formula by which this is achieved.

We also need to look at how this fund operated vis-à-visother Government funding such as sports capital and funding given to sporting and other organisations. There seems to be a mix-and-match approach rather than an actual holistic approach. That needs to be looked at in its totality to verify the fairness in distribution. In looking at how the fund is administered by both relevant organisations, on the greyhound side of things, much of the funding goes towards administration rather than prizes, while the opposite is the case with the funding going to the HRI. More of the actual fund and prizes in particular need to drift towards a fair distribution. Particularly when it comes to horse racing, formulas need to be put in place to ensure the small breeders, trainers and owners get a fair crack of the whip. I can speak very locally about that because where I come from there are many small breeders and trainers who raise this with me on a regular basis.

When it comes to animal welfare, in whatever formula or process is used into the future, there needs to be ring-fenced funding. When it comes to the greyhound board, and I ask the Minister to look specifically at this, somebody should be put on that board with a specific interest in this area who will increase the percentage of their funding that is used for welfare. That is a good recommendation and I imagine most people in the House would support it.

In our amendment, we are asking now, at this stage and after all of these years, that we look at how this fund, which is obviously of huge economic benefit to rural areas and counties as well as to urban areas, can be more fairly distributed. Furthermore, we need to look at how the fund can ensure higher standards in animal welfare.

Something that is often forgotten - in fact, I think I am the only Member who keeps raising this issue year in, year out - is that we need a sectoral order for employment rights, particularly when it comes to horse racing. Thousands of people are employed. I am concerned about some people - the number is small - who work in that industry and who are being treated very unfairly. They have very low rates of pay and do not have good working conditions or terms and conditions. A sectoral order in that area would be an important component.

We also need to see how we can ensure, overall, this fund can be distributed more fairly and how it can be integrated across all other sports funding. I ask the Minister to do this quickly, because I do not want to before the Committee of Public Accounts asking all of these questions again during next year's budgetary cycle. I would like to have this sorted out. It is going to keep coming up because it is unique. Furthermore, the time is right to do it now, given the gambling regulation legislation that is also coming into place. There is an overlap between the two issues, so the timing is optimal.

2:47 pm

Photo of Holly CairnsHolly Cairns (Cork South West, Social Democrats)
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Greyhound racing is in terminal decline, both here and internationally. It is only legal in a handful of countries, one of which is the US, where it started. Now it has been banned in most states there. This is a cruel industry that has no place in modern society. No matter where this industry is, it is plagued with animal welfare concerns. Of course it is, when it is based on the overbreeding of dogs solely for speed. While in jurisdiction after jurisdiction the industry is being banned, the Irish Government continues to invest millions of euro in it every year.

I do not think that any one is surprised by Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael’s unwavering commitment to this cruel and unpopular industry. It is safe to say, however, that people are surprised and disappointed by the Green Party’s newfound support of it. The Green Party’s general election manifesto committed to phasing out public funding to the greyhound racing industry, the exact same thing the Social Democrats are calling for. It is incredible to me that, in 2022, most of our political parties in government and in opposition support this industry.

Photo of Paul MurphyPaul Murphy (Dublin South West, RISE)
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Hear, hear.

Photo of Holly CairnsHolly Cairns (Cork South West, Social Democrats)
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Both Sinn Féin and the Labour Party have tabled motions calling for reviews of this fund, which is unfortunately political speak for kicking the can down the road.

Photo of Paul MurphyPaul Murphy (Dublin South West, RISE)
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Correct.

Photo of Holly CairnsHolly Cairns (Cork South West, Social Democrats)
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The Government is trying to run with the hare and hunt with the hounds on this issue and it is obvious to everyone. In essence, this dying industry is being propped up by the Government. Greyhound Racing Ireland’s own reports are showing significant declines in attendance. The facts as outlined in RTÉ’s documentary “Greyhounds - Running for their Lives” remain the definitive record of the appalling standards and cruelty of the industry. Up to 6,000 dogs are bred annually to be killed. I have to raise the same questions every year. In whose interest is this? It is certainly not in the public interest. Why is €18 million being transferred to the industry? Is it because of its close ties with Government parties and others in this House? Organisations such as Irish Guide Dogs for the Blind and Autism Assistance Dogs Ireland only get a tiny fraction of that amount, and this is disgraceful.

The funding of more than €18.2 million sees an increase of €600,000 in this year. In our alternative budget, the Social Democrats called for State funding for greyhound racing to be phased out over the next three years, with an annual reduction of between €6 million and €7 million between now and the end of the Thirty-third Dáil. We all know that the €18 million could be spend so much better. It is deeply regrettable that the Government did not take our proposal on board in this budget. It is also significant that Dogs Trust has now called for a phased end to greyhound racing in Ireland. That is despite it having worked with the industry for many years to improve conditions for dogs involved. The charity says there are welfare issues that have not been resolved. Greyhound Racing Ireland and its supporters in this House are eager to point out a new system of traceability and welfare inspections while ignoring the deep irony of their position. These measures are only necessary because the record of the industry is so appalling. We know of thousands of dogs that were bred and then destroyed because they did not make the cut.

Overbreeding in the industry continues to be a major concern. The Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine’s recent report on dog welfare noted there is virtually no oversight and transparency concerning canine artificial insemination. The Government does not have a list of canine fertility establishments. We have no idea who is involved in this area and if they have any qualifications. This is especially relevant to greyhounds, who are known to be subject to horrific overbreeding. Under official regulations, non-veterinarians can carry out artificial insemination in greyhounds. Greyhound Racing Ireland is responsible for these regulations, and enforcement is carried out by the Irish Coursing Club, ICC. Why are these bodies given this power? Where is the oversight of them?

This motion, despite all of the glaring issues, will comfortably pass. Not only is this wrong, it is also completely at odds with public opinion. Most ordinary people are not being represented on this matter. I am calling for an end to public funding of the industry. If it is so important to rural Ireland and if it has such great welfare systems, then let the industry survive on a commercial basis. The Minister does not want that and neither do people in this House, in this Government and on Opposition benches, because they all know that the industry would collapse without its annual handout. When will this madness end?

Photo of Jennifer Murnane O'ConnorJennifer Murnane O'Connor (Carlow-Kilkenny, Fianna Fail)
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Deputies Murphy and Barry are sharing time.

Photo of Paul MurphyPaul Murphy (Dublin South West, RISE)
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Some €91 million has been provided to subsidise animal cruelty. This is incredible. This is compared with €15 million total in core funding for sports organisations in this country, including the FAI, the GAA, Swim Ireland and the Olympic Federation of Ireland. The Government wants to hand over €91 million, the Green Party is going against its professed position to support this, and the Labour Party and Sinn Féin are shamefully sitting on the fence, trying to have it both ways.

As has been pointed out, this is wildly out of touch with the views of ordinary people. A poll in 2019 showed that 80% of people who had an opinion agreed that the Irish Government should stop funding greyhound racing. That poll was done before this year’s discovery of the greyhound skeletons that had been dumped 2 km from the Newbridge Greyhound Stadium and before the recent confirmation that, in horse racing, €42 million in public funds were paid out in prize money to multimillionaires at horse races last year.

Over the past 20 years, we have transferred a reported a total of €1.54 billion to both industries. What could €91 million do? It could double, to 282, the number of refuge spaces for those fleeing domestic violence and we would still have money to spare. The figure of €91 million is more than the total that is being allocated to the retrofitting of local authority social housing in 2023. It is a scandal that the Government prioritises funding for greyhound and horse racing over any of these vital issues.

There is rightly much debate on the issue of greyhound racing every year, but the question of horse racing and where this money is going will increasingly come into question as well. The Minister and I debated this. The truth is this money ends up in the hands of multimillionaires.

According to the horse racing industry's most recent fact book, the top three winners are J.P. McManus, Michael O'Leary and John Magnier, people who are all already millionaires. They are the ones who are ending up with this money. Some 72% of the prize money goes to the racehorse owners. Only 10% goes to jockeys and trainers and only 8% to stable staff, charities and industry organisations.

Cruelty is widespread in the greyhound industry. We have seen the 2019 RTÉ documentary reporting that the industry was breeding up to 1,000% more puppies than it needed, resulting in 6,000 dogs per year being killed because they were deemed not to be fast enough. Within the industry, this is referred to as "wastage". It is incredible and outrageous that, year after year, this Dáil agrees to give almost €100 million to these industries.

2:57 pm

Photo of Mick BarryMick Barry (Cork North Central, Solidarity)
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I will focus on the proposed funding for the greyhound industry. The proposal before us provides €91 million to the horse and greyhound racing fund with €18.2 million of this to go to the greyhound industry. You cannot have a greyhound racing industry without animal cruelty. There is loads of information to back that up. Speakers have said that a minority is against the industry. It is a lot more than a minority. It is a very strong opinion within Irish society. Attendances at the stadia are falling very significantly. This money is being used to prop up the industry.

What could €18.2 million be spent on? Funding for combatting gender-based violence and for shelters and so on could be increased by more than a third. Some 466 nurses could be hired at the starting salary or 50 new hospital beds could be provided. These are much better ways to spend the money.

The Green Party's animal welfare policy, published in 2019, just before the election, states "The Green Party seeks to cease the use of state funding for Greyhound racing and re-purpose a portion of this budget allocation towards the welfare and re-homing of Greyhounds impacted by such a change." It is amazing the change that can come over the Green Party when it gets a few ministerial seats. Is it Mercedes or bicycles its Ministers get? We will be watching very carefully how Green Party Deputies vote on this.

Photo of Michael LowryMichael Lowry (Tipperary, Independent)
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The tradition of horse racing and greyhound racing is ingrained in the Irish psyche. Ireland is recognised across the globe for its exceptional standards in breeding and training racehorses and greyhounds. As an industry, horse racing has generated billions for the Irish economy. My home county of Tipperary is steeped in the tradition of the industry. Horses and everything related to horses are of fundamental importance to our local economy. The core breeding and racing industry in Ireland is estimated to generate an astounding €1.8 billion in gross expenditure every year. The industry directly supports almost 10,000 Irish jobs and indirectly provides employment for thousands more in areas such as equine science, veterinary services, farriery, transportation and stabling. It also supports jobs for thousands who work whole-time or part-time in areas such as on- and off-course betting, the maintenance and servicing of racetracks and catering and in a myriad of other enterprises allied to the operation of this lucrative industry.

Racing tourism is a major asset to the Irish economy in its own right. The Irish National Stud is a prominent tourist attraction and records substantial footfall from both overseas and Irish tourists every year, generating vital revenue for transport and local businesses. Race meets are also major occasions in this country. Thousands of enthusiasts from within and outside Ireland flock to enjoy our renowned events, generating revenue for hospitality and other businesses.

One of Ireland's greatest claims in international equine circles is that more than 20% of the top 100 flat horses in the world were bred here in Ireland. Our reputation for breeding has been commended for generations. Coupled together, our world-renowned stables, our temperate climate and our calcium-rich soil provide perfect conditions for raising young stock. The €72.8 million allocated to horse racing for the future represents a 3.5% increase. In light of the revenue consistently generated by the horse industry in Ireland through employment, tourism, hospitality, travel and, not least, focusing a spotlight on our excellent reputation on the world stage, this allocation pales in comparison with the benefits this sport delivers.

I support the greyhound industry. Welfare issues have been addressed and oversight is being strengthened. The industry needs continued support. I wholeheartedly endorse the allocation.

Photo of Verona MurphyVerona Murphy (Wexford, Independent)
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In a 2017 report, it was estimated that more than 5,000 were in employment either directly in the greyhound industry or as an indirect result of it. The greyhound sector is worth more than €300 million to the Irish economy and the funding provided to it comes from a betting tax that is used to fund both greyhound racing and horse racing. The sports are therefore self-financing. With the employment figures I have mentioned and the industry's value to the Irish economy, it appears the funding is money well spent. In County Wexford, Enniscorthy Greyhound Stadium is the hub of the sport, with race meetings taking place twice a week to the enjoyment and entertainment of its many supporters and participants.

The sport of greyhound racing has received no shortage of criticism from opponents in recent years. There are some in this Chamber and beyond who want the sport banned for a variety of reasons. Unfortunately, there are unscrupulous and greedy people in every walk of life and every industry. The sport of greyhound racing is no exception, but great strides have been made in recent years to root out those who are involved in the maltreatment of dogs and to introduce programmes to help rehome and support retired dogs.

It is important to note that my general support of the greyhound racing industry will not prevent me from holding officials to account or from ensuring funds made available to the industry are being spent and managed appropriately. As a member of the Committee of Public Accounts, I recently had the opportunity to question members of Rásaíocht Con Éireann about a variety of issues. I will continue to do so at every opportunity. I believe the vast majority of greyhound owners and trainers are animal lovers and treat their dogs brilliantly. I hope the industry continues to thrive and improve. I will continue to support the Irish greyhound industry but I will also continue to ensure full transparency and accountability in respect of how the Greyhound Racing Ireland is doing things.

I echo Deputy Kelly's call for someone with sectoral experience to be appointed as CEO of the board. We need to stabilise the position. There has been far too much turnover. For the good of the sector, the good of the dogs and the good of everybody involved, that would be an appropriate measure.

Photo of Mattie McGrathMattie McGrath (Tipperary, Independent)
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I, too, support this motion and the industry. I have no truck with or trust in any of the unscrupulous breeders out there, who make up a tiny minority. I acknowledge the prowess we have in the horse racing and greyhound industries in Tipperary. As was said, the horse racing industry directly supports 10,000 jobs in the country and indirectly supports a great many more. The naysayers here, who are just anti-everything really, are against this. They would have us afraid to speak. I was speaking on an issue during Leaders' Questions and, within 30 seconds of me speaking, one of these same heroes tweeted that I was dog-whistling. Who do they think they are to control this democratically elected Parliament? I, for one, will not be silenced by them with regard to any of my views or opinions. I thank the Leas-Cheann Comhairle and the Ceann Comhairle for their protection in that right. These people talk about polls. Where are these polls done? They pay students and young people to picket and to do other things around the town of Clonmel. We have a wonderful greyhound stadium in Clonmel and another in Thurles. Very significant investments were made in them. They are a source of entertainment for rural people. There is an industry around them made up of the veterinarians and the suppliers of medicines and everything else. Families all over Tipperary and the country have love for their animals and for horse racing. As I said, I have no truck with people who neglect or mistreat animals. I support the animal shelters out there. They do not get half enough money. Some Deputies here who come out protesting think lurchers are greyhounds. That tells you what they know about the business and what is going on in it. I commend the motion and support it wholeheartedly.

Photo of Michael CollinsMichael Collins (Cork South West, Independent)
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We are all aware of the enormous contribution the horse and greyhound industries make to the economy. It is important to ensure they achieve their maximum potential as they contribute to widely distributed economic and social development.

The horse and greyhound racing industries make a valued contribution to a balanced regional economy. In overall terms it is estimated that the thoroughbred industry has an economic impact to the value of €1.84 billion, with direct and indirect employment of 29,000 people. The greyhound sector benefits an estimated 4,000 full-time employees. The thoroughbred industry in particular brings a high level of international investment into Ireland.

The purpose behind the Exchequer funding model for these respective sectors, in addition to supporting these key industries, presents an opportunity to yield a high-return investment, leading to a flow of income right through the economy. The Irish equine breeding and racing industry is extremely competitive at a global level and is a real beacon of excellence. Ireland is the third-biggest producer of thoroughbred foals in the world. The support provided by public funds through investment in these industries has enabled Ireland to develop a world-class reputation for excellence in horse and greyhound racing and breeding. We hear a lot of people objecting, and sometimes one feels it is the same people all of the time, but I would strongly suggest they go to see where dogs are being kept, farmed and trained. The dogs are loved and cared for. I went to see one at Church Cross, Skibbereen, last year. I just rang and asked if I could call over and have a look in my own time. They were not expecting me to land in the yard. I had a walk around and my God, they are treating their dogs a lot better than the Irish are treating their own humans in the streets. Their animals are treated with the utmost respect. They are walked, they are trained, and they are bedded beautifully in warm surroundings. It is very easy to look at the negative side without at least looking at the positives there. I will be fully supporting this motion.

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Photo of Richard O'DonoghueRichard O'Donoghue (Limerick County, Independent)
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I also support the greyhound and horse racing industry. I come from a greyhound family and I grew up with greyhounds. In our house we had up to 26 greyhounds and they were better treated than I was myself, because if they were not walked and fed then I did not get fed. That was how much passion my father and family had for the greyhound industry. I was disappointed to see that the last time people were having a go at the greyhound industry, they said they brought a greyhound here to the front of Leinster House. It was a lurcher they brought to the front door. They did not even know what a greyhound was and yet they are against the greyhound industry. Previously, the Opposition in Sinn Féin voted with the Social Democrats against the greyhound industry in this House. I hope that the next time there is a vote on this they will actually see what the greyhound and horse racing industry can provide for this country and for the people and businesses of this country, and show the well-being in which these animals are held, how much people love their animals and how much they take care of them. I support the greyhound industry and I support the horse racing industry. I believe everyone else in the House would support them if they understood what they are. I do.

Photo of Charlie McConalogueCharlie McConalogue (Donegal, Fianna Fail)
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I thank all Deputies for their contributions today. It is important that the issue is fully considered, that the funding is fully considered, and that there is very strong oversight of it. Certainly in relation to the Horse and Greyhound Racing Fund, that is very much the case. Unlike many other funding streams, this funding comes before the Oireachtas committee every year for a full examination and a full discussion. It is also subject to a full discussion here in the Dáil. I will go to the Seanad in half an hour for a full discussion in that Chamber also. There is a lot of transparency and oversight in relation to the expenditure.

I am aware there are different views on this among many in the Chamber. It is absolutely fair that people would have different views. The Government is very clear and strong that the funding is something that should be in place and that it is very important for the two sectors. Indeed, the horse and greyhound racing sectors have developed over the years by virtue of the strong Government policies that have been put in place, and strong funding that is in place.

In his contribution, Deputy Carthy outlined that Sinn Féin does support the Horse and Greyhound Racing Fund. He was very clear and very strong on that. I will be going to the Seanad now where no doubt Senator Boylan will be a lot less clear and a lot less strong and it and will give the impression that she is very much against the funding. I do not know from Deputy Carthy's contribution whether he will actually vote for the fund this year or not-----

Photo of Matt CarthyMatt Carthy (Cavan-Monaghan, Sinn Fein)
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Vote for my amendment.

Photo of Charlie McConalogueCharlie McConalogue (Donegal, Fianna Fail)
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I am aware that the Deputy has an amendment-----

Photo of Matt CarthyMatt Carthy (Cavan-Monaghan, Sinn Fein)
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If the Minister votes for my amendment I will vote for his.

Photo of Charlie McConalogueCharlie McConalogue (Donegal, Fianna Fail)
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-----and I am clear that we will oppose that. I presume the Deputy will, like he did last year, probably vote against the funding.

Photo of Matt CarthyMatt Carthy (Cavan-Monaghan, Sinn Fein)
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There is no transparency.

Photo of Charlie McConalogueCharlie McConalogue (Donegal, Fianna Fail)
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Despite saying he is in favour of it, the Deputy will be against it. The Deputy has a very confused position on it.

Photo of Matt CarthyMatt Carthy (Cavan-Monaghan, Sinn Fein)
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It is as clear as day. I cannot be clearer than that.

Photo of Charlie McConalogueCharlie McConalogue (Donegal, Fianna Fail)
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While he calls for transparency on the way funding is dealt with, the fact that it comes before the Dáil and Seanad for a week every year puts Deputy Carthy in an awful bind because he does not know whether he is coming or going. The Deputy is trying to ride two horses at the one time, or as Deputy Cairns has said, to run with the hare and hunt with the hound. That is a difficult thing to do and it exposes the Deputy as not having a position on it. If the horse racing and greyhound sectors, for whom this funding is massively important, are depending on Sinn Féin to continue to fund the sector then they would be very concerned-----

Photo of Matt CarthyMatt Carthy (Cavan-Monaghan, Sinn Fein)
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The Minister spent two and a half minutes of his speech speaking about Sinn Féin. Deal with the amendment. Why is the Minister rejecting our amendment?

Photo of Charlie McConalogueCharlie McConalogue (Donegal, Fianna Fail)
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-----and particularly when a lot of the left-leaning politicians, with whom Sinn Féin wants to and was seeking to go into Government with, are so adamant that it should be opposed and should be done away with. If those sectors are depending on Deputy Carthy and Sinn Féin to actually keep the sectors alive, I believe they would be very concerned indeed.

Photo of Matt CarthyMatt Carthy (Cavan-Monaghan, Sinn Fein)
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Why will the Minister not speak to the amendment?

Photo of Charlie McConalogueCharlie McConalogue (Donegal, Fianna Fail)
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On the 80:20 funding split, it is fair to have different views on it. Last year Deputies called for a review of the 80:20. The Deputies are Members of the Parliament and Members of the Legislature. They can make law and propose law, but they have not come forward with any proposal to change the 80:20.

Photo of Matt CarthyMatt Carthy (Cavan-Monaghan, Sinn Fein)
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What is the Minister's rationale?

Photo of Charlie McConalogueCharlie McConalogue (Donegal, Fianna Fail)
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Deputy Carthy can bring forward a Bill. He has done nothing since last year and he will do nothing again.

Photo of Matt CarthyMatt Carthy (Cavan-Monaghan, Sinn Fein)
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The Minister is writing blank cheques.

Photo of Charlie McConalogueCharlie McConalogue (Donegal, Fianna Fail)
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Once this is dealt with this year, there will not be a word out of him.

Photo of Matt CarthyMatt Carthy (Cavan-Monaghan, Sinn Fein)
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That is not true. That is disingenuous. The Minister is misleading the House. I deal with this at the Committee of Public Accounts and at the Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine on an ongoing basis. The Minister knows this. The Minister has spent his entire speech talking about Sinn Féin.

Photo of Charlie McConalogueCharlie McConalogue (Donegal, Fianna Fail)
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It is open to the Deputy to bring forward legislation and propose that.

On the Horse and Greyhound Racing Fund, that has increased by about 3% this year. Most of the other State agencies have been increased by about 3% also, so it is not different really from the approach taken by most State agencies.

Photo of Matt CarthyMatt Carthy (Cavan-Monaghan, Sinn Fein)
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So, it is not based on a business case. It is pro rata-----

Photo of Charlie McConalogueCharlie McConalogue (Donegal, Fianna Fail)
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Both have been increased by about 3%.

Photo of Matt CarthyMatt Carthy (Cavan-Monaghan, Sinn Fein)
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I thought it was to be based on a business case.

Photo of Charlie McConalogueCharlie McConalogue (Donegal, Fianna Fail)
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As I said to the committee, that level of certainty in relation to recurrent funding is important. There are then strategic plans and assessments by Horse Racing Ireland and Rásaíocht Con Éireann each year on how that funding is spent, along with key stakeholders representing both of the boards.

On Deputy Kelly's contribution, the Deputy has been a consistent supporter of funding. He again makes the case about the 80:20 funding split and whether that is an appropriate way to do it. That is a fair view to have. Again, any Member can come forward with legislation on this. From my point of view, that level of consistency is actually constructive. People are entitled to have a view, but they should act on it if they have a view on it and do something-----

Photo of Matt CarthyMatt Carthy (Cavan-Monaghan, Sinn Fein)
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I have an amendment.

Photo of Charlie McConalogueCharlie McConalogue (Donegal, Fianna Fail)
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The Deputy has an amendment today in relation to a review and then the Deputy will vote against the funding, despite expressing support for the sector. It is simply a ruse to try to cover the Deputy's embarrassment that he does not have a position and while he is out speaking to the Dáil-----

Photo of Matt CarthyMatt Carthy (Cavan-Monaghan, Sinn Fein)
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The Minister spent his entire speech talking about the Opposition without actually referring to the amendment that the Opposition has tabled.

Photo of Charlie McConalogueCharlie McConalogue (Donegal, Fianna Fail)
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While Deputy Carthy is speaking about how he supports the sector, meanwhile Senator Boylan will be firing off emails to all the NGOs that are in contact with her to say how she is against it and is opposing it. God help Sinn Féin in relation to this if it ever gets into Government.

Photo of Matt CarthyMatt Carthy (Cavan-Monaghan, Sinn Fein)
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The Minister is in government with the Green Party-----

Photo of Charlie McConalogueCharlie McConalogue (Donegal, Fianna Fail)
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I recognise the points made by Deputy Kelly and I recognise the view and perspective of the Social Democrats.

On the point made by Deputy Paul Murphy about the funding for the sector, of course he ignores the jobs that are dependent on it. On the sports funding, we invested €150 million in sports clubs across the country this year, which is very important and shows the Government commitment to sports in general.

Photo of Seán SherlockSeán Sherlock (Cork East, Labour)
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May I be permitted to make a very short point of order?

Photo of Catherine ConnollyCatherine Connolly (Galway West, Independent)
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No. The debate has concluded.

Photo of Seán SherlockSeán Sherlock (Cork East, Labour)
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It is on the 80:20 funding-----

Photo of Catherine ConnollyCatherine Connolly (Galway West, Independent)
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Deputy, the Minister has concluded. The debate has concluded.

Photo of Richard O'DonoghueRichard O'Donoghue (Limerick County, Independent)
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Respect the Chair.

Photo of Seán SherlockSeán Sherlock (Cork East, Labour)
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I do respect the Chair.

Photo of Catherine ConnollyCatherine Connolly (Galway West, Independent)
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Please, Deputy-----

Photo of Seán SherlockSeán Sherlock (Cork East, Labour)
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But we are being told to bring forward legislation and we cannot.

Photo of Catherine ConnollyCatherine Connolly (Galway West, Independent)
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The Minister has concluded. The debate has concluded.

Photo of Martin BrowneMartin Browne (Tipperary, Sinn Fein)
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The Minister went overboard because he spent all his time talking about the Opposition.

Photo of Catherine ConnollyCatherine Connolly (Galway West, Independent)
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The debate has concluded.

Amendment put.

Photo of Catherine ConnollyCatherine Connolly (Galway West, Independent)
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In accordance with Standing Order 80(2), the division is postponed until the weekly division time this evening.