Dáil debates

Thursday, 16 June 2016

12:35 pm

Photo of Frances FitzgeraldFrances Fitzgerald (Dublin Mid West, Fine Gael)
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It is proposed to take No. 14b, motion re establishment of select committees; No. 14c, motion re Standing Orders 81, 84, 84A, 85, 95, 97A, 114 and 186; No. 14d, motion re report of Committee of Selection and Appointment of Chairs; No. 14e, presentation and circulation of Revised Estimates 2016; and No. 14a, Revised Estimates for Public Services 2016 - Votes 16, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 37, 38 and 41 (resumed).

It is proposed, notwithstanding anything in Standing Orders, that the Dáil shall sit later than 5.48 p. m. and shall adjourn on the conclusion of Topical Issues; Nos. 14b, 14c, 14dand 14eshall be decided without debate and any division demanded thereon shall be taken forthwith; and the debate in respect of Vote 38 shall, if not previously concluded, be brought to a conclusion at 3.15 p. m. followed immediately by the weekly division time.

Photo of Seán Ó FearghaílSeán Ó Fearghaíl (Kildare South, Ceann Comhairle)
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There are three proposals to put to the House. Is the proposal for dealing with the late sitting agreed to? Agreed. Is the proposal for dealing with Nos. 14b, 14c, 14dand 14eagreed? Agreed. Is the proposal for dealing with Vote 38 agreed to?

Photo of Dara CallearyDara Calleary (Mayo, Fianna Fail)
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Today marks the first anniversary of the appalling tragedy in Berkeley, California last year where we lost six of our brightest J1 students while several others were seriously injured. It is appropriate that we again send our sympathies to the families of those who passed away and those who were injured on this most difficult of days. Our thoughts are with them today.

I wish to raise two issues. This day next week, the Brexit referendum will take place. Has the Government prepared a legislative response in the event of the people of the United Kingdom voting to leave the EU? How many legislative instruments will be affected? When will that kick in?

Second, in the context of the health Estimates, which will be discussed later, the Minister of State at the Department of Health, Deputy Finian McGrath, who made a brief appearance in the Chamber but who has left again, announced €31 million in additional funding for disability services on the plinth last week. However, this morning the St. John of God order has had to withdraw services for teenagers with intellectual disabilities who are attached to St. Augustine's school in Blackrock because it does not have enough funding.

A vocational training programme will be withdrawn in the course of the next two years, while a life skills programme is being withdrawn with immediate effect. The teenagers who have participated in this programme have had huge success over many years. The programme has given huge comfort to families and very important life skills to those who have participated in it. In the context of the additional €31 million in new money that will be provided, will the Tánaiste explain why what has been proposed is happening today?

12:40 pm

Photo of Frances FitzgeraldFrances Fitzgerald (Dublin Mid West, Fine Gael)
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I join the Deputy in again expressing our sympathy to the families who so tragically lost loved ones on this day last year.

To reply to the Deputy's question about St. Augustine's special school, it was the subject of a Topical Issue discussed in the Dáil, I believe, only two days ago. The Minister of State, Deputy Finian McGrath, is examining the matter. European funds were in place for the initiatives being undertaken at St. Augustine's special school. The Minister of State is meeting the parents and other relevant individuals to explore what action can be taken to ensure the continuation of the services provided.

On the Brexit debate, our focus at this point is very much on Ministers who have travelled to the United Kingdom, including the North. Opposition leaders have also done so. We are focusing very much on Ireland's interests and how much they would be served by the United Kingdom remaining within the European Union. The Minister, Deputy Simon Coveney, will be in Belfast tomorrow. As the Deputy knows, the Taoiseach has several visits planned today. It is absolutely in Ireland's economic interests that there be a "Yes" vote to remain in the European Union.

Photo of Mary Lou McDonaldMary Lou McDonald (Dublin Central, Sinn Fein)
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I also join in extending condolences to and expressing ongoing solidarity with the families of the Berkeley victims and their wider circles.

I want to ask the Tánaiste about the consolidated domestic violence legislation. Yesterday she participated in the launch of the report of Women's Aid which set out the latest round of absolutely horrifying statistics. She and I both know that this is not about statistics; it is about real people and real lives. Therefore, it is a source of great concern that the legislation has been stalled for so long. It is listed in the legislative programme under the heading of "All Other Legislation". It has been noted that the outcome of the pre-legislative scrutiny was reported on in September 2015. Will the Tánaiste tell us when we will deal with the legislation and get it onto the Statute Book?

The Tánaiste will be aware of this issue, not least because she has been talking to people within the community of the north inner city about it. It concerns the illegal trading of prescription drugs. It is welcome that it is the intention to legislate in that regard, but may we have a timetable as to when we will deal with it? I would like to think we will deal with the matter before the House rises for the summer.

As the Tánaiste will be relieved to hear, we say to the Government that, in the event of a Brexit, the issue for us is not simply about trade with the neighbouring island; the more immediate concern is that the country remains partitioned. I appeal to the Government should a Brexit happen that time and consideration be given and collaboration pursued to develop an understanding of the implications for a country that suffers, economically and socially, because of partition.

Photo of Seán Ó FearghaílSeán Ó Fearghaíl (Kildare South, Ceann Comhairle)
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Notwithstanding the validity of the points the Deputy and others have made about Brexit, it is not an appropriate matter to raise on the Order of Business.

Photo of Mary Lou McDonaldMary Lou McDonald (Dublin Central, Sinn Fein)
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I have done it now.

Photo of Frances FitzgeraldFrances Fitzgerald (Dublin Mid West, Fine Gael)
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As the Deputy said, the report by Women's Aid published yesterday detailed horrific instances of domestic violence and abuse, thousands of cases of women who had reported to that organisation the most horrendous abuse experienced by them.

It is a very sad and disturbing report, which shows what the Taoiseach noted yesterday is often a hidden Ireland. Thankfully, more and more women are coming forward to get the kinds of supports that they need. In reply to the Deputy's question, I am the Minister who signed the Istanbul convention last year and who is going to ensure that we ratify it as soon as certain Bills come through and some other work is done. The domestic violence legislation is a consolidated Bill and a huge amount of work has been done on it. That work continues and I will be in a position to publish it early next term.

The prescribed drugs legislation has been fast-tracked by the Minister for Health, Deputy Simon Harris, and has gone to Cabinet. It will be published next Tuesday. In that regard, we would like to thank all of the Opposition spokespeople who have been involved in supporting the development of that legislation. I hope they can ensure its speedy passage through the House before the summer recess. It is very important, not just in terms of the north inner city where it certainly impacts, but throughout Ireland where dealing in prescription drugs needs to be stopped. This legislation will support An Garda Síochána.

I take the points that were made on Brexit. The whole situation in regard to Northern Ireland is key for our hope that the vote is "Yes", but it is, of course, a matter for the voters in England.

12:45 pm

Photo of Joan BurtonJoan Burton (Dublin West, Labour)
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I join colleagues in saying that the families of those bereaved by what happened in Berkeley a year ago are in our thoughts and prayers today. Many of those who were injured are on a long road to recovery and I hope they make as full a recovery as possible.

There were reports in the media yesterday that child benefit would no longer automatically be paid to mothers under proposals which are being examined by the Minister for Social Protection. Is it true that the Government proposes to muck around with the payment of child benefit? Since 1974 and the introduction of payment to mothers by one of my predecessors, Frank Cluskey, child benefit has served this country and women and children in particular very well. Is this going to be part of the forthcoming paternity legislation or is it proposed for the social welfare Bill? There is a well known idea that if something is not broken, one should not fix it.

Photo of Robert TroyRobert Troy (Longford-Westmeath, Fianna Fail)
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The Deputy did not take heed of that on the one-parent family allowance.

Photo of Joan BurtonJoan Burton (Dublin West, Labour)
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Women in Ireland would be outraged if the payment on a monthly basis of child benefit in respect of children were changed. I would be horrified if Fianna Fáil were to support this proposal, which would be very damaging to families.

Photo of Dara CallearyDara Calleary (Mayo, Fianna Fail)
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Considering the Deputy cut child benefit.

Photo of Robert TroyRobert Troy (Longford-Westmeath, Fianna Fail)
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The Deputy decimated one-parent family payment when she was Minister.

Photo of Dara CallearyDara Calleary (Mayo, Fianna Fail)
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Like Rapunzel in the tower.

Photo of Joan BurtonJoan Burton (Dublin West, Labour)
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Will the Tánaiste reassure the House that the reports in the newspapers yesterday were wrong?

Photo of Seán Ó FearghaílSeán Ó Fearghaíl (Kildare South, Ceann Comhairle)
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Thank you, Deputy Burton, your question is clear.

Photo of Joan BurtonJoan Burton (Dublin West, Labour)
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My second question is on the education Estimate which was published yesterday and debated last night. As in the budget last year, the Estimate includes funding of €2 million which is set aside for the technological universities. It is now 126 days since any legislation was passed by Dáil Éireann. What has happened to the Technological Universities Bill?

Photo of Seán Ó FearghaílSeán Ó Fearghaíl (Kildare South, Ceann Comhairle)
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We cannot have a debate on the matter.

Photo of Joan BurtonJoan Burton (Dublin West, Labour)
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The technological institutes and colleges in Ireland are major drivers of education and investment and business development.

Photo of Seán Ó FearghaílSeán Ó Fearghaíl (Kildare South, Ceann Comhairle)
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Thank you, Deputy Burton.

Photo of Joan BurtonJoan Burton (Dublin West, Labour)
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Can the Tánaiste say when it is proposed to reintroduce the Technological Universities Bill? Are major changes proposed under the programme for Government?

Photo of Seán Ó FearghaílSeán Ó Fearghaíl (Kildare South, Ceann Comhairle)
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We cannot get into the detail of the Bill. There are two questions.

Photo of Frances FitzgeraldFrances Fitzgerald (Dublin Mid West, Fine Gael)
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There are no proposals on the table to change the way child benefit is paid. What is on the table is the paternity leave legislation of which Deputy Burton is a very strong supporter. I am very keen to see that paid in September. It went through Cabinet this week and will be debated in the Dáil as soon as time allows.

With the co-operation of everyone, it should pass through the Dáil-----

12:50 pm

Photo of Joan BurtonJoan Burton (Dublin West, Labour)
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Was yesterday's report in the media wrong?

Photo of Seán Ó FearghaílSeán Ó Fearghaíl (Kildare South, Ceann Comhairle)
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We cannot start discussing-----

Photo of Willie O'DeaWillie O'Dea (Limerick City, Fianna Fail)
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It is a serious matter, but Deputy Burton is suddenly worried.

Photo of Eugene MurphyEugene Murphy (Roscommon-Galway, Fianna Fail)
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Where was she for the past five years?

Photo of Frances FitzgeraldFrances Fitzgerald (Dublin Mid West, Fine Gael)
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I agree with Deputy Burton that the-----

Photo of Simon HarrisSimon Harris (Wicklow, Fine Gael)
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This is like "What is in the newspapers or on Morning Ireland?"

Photo of Seán Ó FearghaílSeán Ó Fearghaíl (Kildare South, Ceann Comhairle)
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We are not discussing newspaper reports.

Photo of Frances FitzgeraldFrances Fitzgerald (Dublin Mid West, Fine Gael)
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All right.

Photo of Joan BurtonJoan Burton (Dublin West, Labour)
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This concerns future legislation.

Photo of Seán Ó FearghaílSeán Ó Fearghaíl (Kildare South, Ceann Comhairle)
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We are not discussing newspaper reports. We are on the Order of Business.

Photo of Joan BurtonJoan Burton (Dublin West, Labour)
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It is important to women in Ireland.

Photo of Frances FitzgeraldFrances Fitzgerald (Dublin Mid West, Fine Gael)
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There is no legislation planned such as Deputy Burton has outlined. The other Bill that she asked about is on the Order Paper and is awaiting Committee Stage. I believe that the Deputy heard the Minister, Deputy Bruton, speaking in the Chamber on this matter last week in terms of reviewing certain issues that had arisen. At present, it is on the Order Paper and awaiting Committee Stage.

Photo of Mick BarryMick Barry (Cork North Central, Anti-Austerity Alliance)
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Condolences to the friends and families of the Berkeley victims.

I have two questions for the Tánaiste. The Government did not listen on the issue of water charges. Working class people, through the protest campaign, made it listen. The Government would be well advised to listen to the growing anger on the issue of bin charges. If it does not, working class people will again make it listen.

Photo of Seán Ó FearghaílSeán Ó Fearghaíl (Kildare South, Ceann Comhairle)
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A question, Deputy, not statements.

Photo of Mick BarryMick Barry (Cork North Central, Anti-Austerity Alliance)
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Given the derisive response of people via text and Twitter in the past 30 minutes to the plan to send the Minister, Deputy Coveney, to meet the bin companies next week and the feeling that this is not good enough and is a shambles, I will give the Tánaiste another opportunity to answer the question of whether she is prepared to reverse before the weekend the legislation that opened the door to this situation. Is she prepared to reverse the privatisation of bin services and introduce legislation that takes control of this crucial industry away from profiteers?

Photo of Frances FitzgeraldFrances Fitzgerald (Dublin Mid West, Fine Gael)
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I have already made it clear that the Minister is working on this issue right now. Part of his response will be meeting the companies. I have said very clearly that he will take action to deal with this issue, which is causing concern. If the spirit of the legislation is being abused or if the companies seek to exploit the situation by increasing charges when the intention behind the legislation was to reduce them for families, action will be taken.

Photo of Seán Ó FearghaílSeán Ó Fearghaíl (Kildare South, Ceann Comhairle)
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I call Deputy Broughan.

Photo of Mick BarryMick Barry (Cork North Central, Anti-Austerity Alliance)
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There was a second question, a Cheann Comhairle.

Photo of Seán Ó FearghaílSeán Ó Fearghaíl (Kildare South, Ceann Comhairle)
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What was it on?

Photo of Simon HarrisSimon Harris (Wicklow, Fine Gael)
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Nationalising the bin companies.

Photo of Mick BarryMick Barry (Cork North Central, Anti-Austerity Alliance)
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Is the Tánaiste prepared to introduce legislation to reverse the privatisation, which has put these profiteers in charge of the industry?

Photo of Frances FitzgeraldFrances Fitzgerald (Dublin Mid West, Fine Gael)
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That does not arise. We have a situation-----

Photo of Seán Ó FearghaílSeán Ó Fearghaíl (Kildare South, Ceann Comhairle)
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It does not arise. I thank the Tánaiste.

Photo of Tommy BroughanTommy Broughan (Dublin Bay North, Independent)
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I would like to be associated with the expressions of sympathy to the Berkeley disaster families and victims.

Regarding the Road Traffic Bill, has the Tánaiste received a report from the Garda Síochána about the withdrawal of prosecutions of fixed-charge notices in respect of the NCT? Will she bring the report to the House, given that this is the latest in a series of penalty point messes? Do the withdrawals also relate to other penalty point offences, how many are there and when will she report to the House?

Photo of Frances FitzgeraldFrances Fitzgerald (Dublin Mid West, Fine Gael)
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I have initial details in respect of that issue. The Garda has started an urgent examination of how many cases are involved. In the first instance, every one of those individuals who are involved broke the law. Clearly, inappropriate action was taken. People had paid a fine and subsequently received summonses. Clearly, this issue must be dealt with. I will put as much information as I possibly can before the House. I do not have any information at present on whether this situation arose in terms of any criminal charge other than the one that the Deputy has mentioned.

However, it is important that confidence be maintained in the penalty points approach. I am very concerned about what happened. It was an administrative, procedural error. Thankfully, it has now been realised that this was happening. Action will be taken to deal with the matter where points have been added to people's licenses inappropriately.

1:00 pm

Photo of Mattie McGrathMattie McGrath (Tipperary, Independent)
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I wish to refer to two items of legislation, the first of which is the EirGrid Bill. Communities in my area in the south east are very concerned about overhead pylons and they want to know when there will be legislation.

We passed a referendum recently on children's rights, and we also passed the Children First Bill. I have been inundated with calls from around the country from people who are concerned about the behaviour of Tusla. They are only allegations. I ask that the Minister for Children deal with this and conduct a review. In years to come it will be too late if this is not addressed. There are huge tribunals and investigations, and there are many concerns about the way Tusla-----

Photo of Seán Ó FearghaílSeán Ó Fearghaíl (Kildare South, Ceann Comhairle)
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Perhaps the Deputy will have a discussion with the Minister.

Photo of Mattie McGrathMattie McGrath (Tipperary, Independent)
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I will, indeed. I refer to the behaviour of Tusla in respect of certain families.

Photo of Seán Ó FearghaílSeán Ó Fearghaíl (Kildare South, Ceann Comhairle)
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We are very tight on time.

Photo of Frances FitzgeraldFrances Fitzgerald (Dublin Mid West, Fine Gael)
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Preliminary work is being done in the Department on the EirGrid legislation.

Tusla is doing very important work. If the Deputy has any particular concerns in regard to it, he should feel free to correspond with the appropriate Minister. He did oppose the referendum on children-----

Photo of Mattie McGrathMattie McGrath (Tipperary, Independent)
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I did, and maybe I had good reason.

Photo of Frances FitzgeraldFrances Fitzgerald (Dublin Mid West, Fine Gael)
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Very important powers have been given to Tusla to protect children as a result of that referendum.

Photo of Seán Ó FearghaílSeán Ó Fearghaíl (Kildare South, Ceann Comhairle)
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I want to bring in three remaining Deputies who have been offering all week, the first being Deputy David Cullinane.

Photo of David CullinaneDavid Cullinane (Waterford, Sinn Fein)
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The programme for Government commits to a public sector pay commission, to be established in due course. One of the sorest points for public sector workers concerns the treatment of the post-2011 new entrants. We have a two-tier parallel pay structure in place.

Photo of Seán Ó FearghaílSeán Ó Fearghaíl (Kildare South, Ceann Comhairle)
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Has the Deputy a question?

Photo of David CullinaneDavid Cullinane (Waterford, Sinn Fein)
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Will that be a priority for the Government?

Photo of Frances FitzgeraldFrances Fitzgerald (Dublin Mid West, Fine Gael)
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On the first point the Deputy made, the Minister informs me that, in the first instance, he is consulting the relevant stakeholders on the Lansdowne Road agreement. The arrangement is being set up at present and it will be concluded very shortly. Afterwards, the Minister will be in a position to move forward.

On the second point the Deputy raised, the matter could be considered. There will be discussions on that.

Photo of Bernard DurkanBernard Durkan (Kildare North, Fine Gael)
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The criminal justice Bill and the criminal justice (suspended sentences of imprisonment) Bill are both promised and listed as being scheduled for pre-legislative scrutiny at a date yet to be determined. Has the date been finally fixed? Is it expected that both Bills will be in place before the recess or soon afterwards?

Photo of Frances FitzgeraldFrances Fitzgerald (Dublin Mid West, Fine Gael)
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Both Bills will be going to Cabinet on Tuesday. We will be deciding then on the exact process to be followed.

Photo of Robert TroyRobert Troy (Longford-Westmeath, Fianna Fail)
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On the health Estimates to be taken later today, I understand the contract of the sole sarcoma cancer specialist in Ireland, based in St. Vincent's hospital, is not being renewed at the end of this month. That will have serious consequences for patients who rely on her expertise. Why is the Government allowing this? Perhaps the Tánaiste can make a statement on this now.

Photo of Seán Ó FearghaílSeán Ó Fearghaíl (Kildare South, Ceann Comhairle)
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That sounds like a matter for the Topical Issue Debate.

Photo of Frances FitzgeraldFrances Fitzgerald (Dublin Mid West, Fine Gael)
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The Deputy is referring to an individual contract. It would not be a good precedent to have a discussion on that. Of course, the Minister will be happy to discuss that issue with the Deputy. The decision is one that is being taken by a particular hospital. There will obviously be an opportunity to discuss these issues in the broadest sense during the debate on the health Estimates today.

Photo of Seán Ó FearghaílSeán Ó Fearghaíl (Kildare South, Ceann Comhairle)
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That concludes the Order of Business. I thank everyone for their co-operation.