Dáil debates
Wednesday, 29 May 2013
Order of Business
11:00 am
Enda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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It is proposed to take No. 15, statements on the European Council in Brussels, pursuant to Standing Order 102A(2)(b); and No. 2, Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest Bill 2013 - Second Stage (resumed) and Subsequent Stages.
It is proposed, notwithstanding anything in Standing Orders, that: (1) the Dáil shall sit later than 9 p.m. and adjourn not later than 10 p.m.; (2) the proceedings on No. 15 shall, if not previously concluded, be brought to a conclusion after 85 minutes and the following arrangements shall apply: (i) the statements shall be made by the Taoiseach and by the main spokespersons for Fianna Fáil, Sinn Féin and the Technical Group, who shall be called upon in that order and who may share their time, and which statements shall not exceed 15 minutes in each case; (ii) a Minister or Minister of State shall take questions for a period not exceeding 20 minutes; and (iii) a Minister or Minister of State shall be called upon to make a statement in reply which shall not exceed five minutes; (3) the resumed Second Stage and Subsequent Stages of No. 2 shall be taken today and the following arrangements shall apply: (i) the proceedings on the resumed Second Stage shall, if not previously concluded, be brought to a conclusion at 1.30 p.m.; and (ii) the proceedings on the Committee and Remaining Stages shall, if not previously concluded, be brought to a conclusion at 10 p.m. by one question which shall be put from the Chair and which shall include only those amendments set down or accepted by the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform; and (4) in the event a division is in progress at the time fixed for taking Private Members’ business, which shall be No. 107, motion re confidence in the Minister for Justice and Equality (resumed), Standing Order 121(3) shall not apply and Private Members’ business shall, if not previously concluded, be brought to a conclusion after 90 minutes.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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There are four proposals to be put to the House. Is the proposal that the Dáil shall sit later than 9 p.m. and adjourn not later than 10 p.m. agreed? Agreed. Is the proposal for dealing with No. 15 agreed? Agreed. Is the proposal for dealing with No. 2 agreed?
Micheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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A pattern seems to be emerging whereby the Government seems to be of a disposition to ram through the House as quickly as possible any legislation which may have a hint of controversy about it, particularly with regard to financial matters, and in essence guillotine the Bill. This pattern was well demonstrated with regard to the family home tax Bill prior to and after Christmas when two iterations of it were rammed through the House and guillotined.
The same happened with the Social Welfare Bill which cut child benefit and the respite care grant. We did not even get a chance to put forward amendments on those items, given the manner in which it was guillotined in the House. There has been a successive range of issues for which - if they are at all controversial, particularly in terms of their economic impact on people - there is no room for debate, tabling amendments or putting forward alternative propositions. It is a suppression and stifling of debate.
While unions are still balloting and some unions have not even balloted, the House is being asked to rush through the Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest Bill. Pensioners' organisations have not even been consulted.
11:10 am
Brendan Howlin (Wexford, Labour)
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They have.
Micheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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They have not been consulted. Pensioners' organisations around the country are contacting Deputies to say that their pensions are being cut without consultation.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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We are not debating all of this. It is purely a motion.
Micheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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Nobody represented them at Haddington Road or Beggar's Bush.
Brendan Howlin (Wexford, Labour)
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You have a brass neck.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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We are using up valuable time.
Micheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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The Oireachtas is being forced to guillotine and ram through legislation, but there is no necessity for doing this. There is no necessity for these timelines this week at all. It is a "get the bad news over quickly" mentality. That is what is going on here, without question. They want to get the bad news over as quickly as they possibly can so there will be less hassle for the backbenchers. It is not right or correct. We will oppose this measure.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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I call Deputy Adams.
Billy Kelleher (Cork North Central, Fianna Fail)
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The Labour Deputies are shameless.
Timmy Dooley (Clare, Fianna Fail)
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We know they are New Labour.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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When you have finished shouting at each other, would you mind allowing Deputy Adams to speak?
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Please. You are in the Houses of Parliament.
Gerry Adams (Louth, Sinn Fein)
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I also want to oppose proposal No. 3. We saw from our discussions during Leaders' Questions, and this has come up many times, that there is a backlog of progressive legislation. Yet this draconian legislation is to be rushed through with the guillotine being employed. It is shameful that a Labour Minister is bringing in new powers to cut the pay of public sector workers or to increase their working hours, without further consultation. At the very least we deserve to have a debate and a discussion on all of this. It is a mark of this Government. We were promised a new democratic, transparent and fair way of doing business. However, there is no evidence of it in terms of how the Government is dealing with this Bill.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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I call the Taoiseach.
Catherine Murphy (Kildare North, Independent)
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A Cheann Comhairle-----
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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I am sorry, Deputy.
Catherine Murphy (Kildare North, Independent)
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On behalf of the Technical Group, I ask you to exercise discretion to allow us to raise this matter.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Please resume your seat. You wrote to me about this issue. The Standing Orders do not allow for a Member from the Technical Group to make a statement.
Mattie McGrath (Tipperary South, Independent)
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Why not?
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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It is because the Standing Orders, which are approved by the House, do not allow for it.
Finian McGrath (Dublin North Central, Independent)
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Change the Standing Orders.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Therefore, I suggest - I will be writing to the Deputy - that the matter be dealt with at the Committee on Procedure and Privileges.
I call the Taoiseach.
Catherine Murphy (Kildare North, Independent)
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I am sorry, a Cheann Comhairle, but I cannot accept that.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Well you will have to accept it whether you like it or not.
Catherine Murphy (Kildare North, Independent)
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There is adequate discretion available to the Ceann Comhairle.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Would you please resume your seat?
Finian McGrath (Dublin North Central, Independent)
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The Ceann Comhairle can ask permission of the Minister of State, Deputy Kehoe.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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I am not in a position to allow this. Would the Taoiseach please reply?
Catherine Murphy (Kildare North, Independent)
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I have asked the Taoiseach about it.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Would you please respect the Chair?
Catherine Murphy (Kildare North, Independent)
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Discretion is allowed so as not to gag the Technical Group.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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The Deputy should put forward an amendment to Standing Orders at the Committee on Procedure and Privileges. That is all she has to do.
Catherine Murphy (Kildare North, Independent)
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I have tried to get it changed.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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I do not want to ask the Deputy to leave the House but if she persists in ignoring the Chair I will have to do so. She should please resume her seat.
Catherine Murphy (Kildare North, Independent)
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One third of the opposition should not be gagged like this.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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You never brought this matter up before the Committee on Procedure and Privileges, where it should be brought.
Catherine Murphy (Kildare North, Independent)
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I have brought it up repeatedly.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Thank you. I call the Taoiseach.
Catherine Murphy (Kildare North, Independent)
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I put it in writing and it was blocked repeatedly.
Mattie McGrath (Tipperary South, Independent)
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It has been ignored.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Please proceed, Taoiseach.
Catherine Murphy (Kildare North, Independent)
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I have tried to get it changed.
Enda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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It ill behoves-----
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Would you resume your seat?
Catherine Murphy (Kildare North, Independent)
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I brought it up repeatedly. I put it in writing but it was blocked at any location I raised it.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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I know the Deputy is angling to get herself thrown out, but would she please respect the Chair?
Catherine Murphy (Kildare North, Independent)
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It is up to you to give us the discretion.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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I do not have the discretion.
Catherine Murphy (Kildare North, Independent)
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You have.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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I do not have the discretion. Would you put down a motion for a change in Standing Orders?
Catherine Murphy (Kildare North, Independent)
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Of course you have the discretion.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Would you resume your seat and do not be making a show of the House?
Catherine Murphy (Kildare North, Independent)
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No, I will not resume my seat.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Then I will ask the Deputy to leave the House. She has totally ignored the Chair, so she should please leave the House.
Catherine Murphy (Kildare North, Independent)
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It is absolutely wrong to be blocked.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Would you please leave the House?
Catherine Murphy (Kildare North, Independent)
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I will not accept that Opposition Deputies are being gagged in this way.
Micheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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Deputy Murphy should not be treated like this.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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You just mind your business. I am asking Deputy Murphy to leave the House.
Micheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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Deputy Murphy is a reasonable, moderate Deputy and has not caused any difficulty here.
Finian McGrath (Dublin North Central, Independent)
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It is par for the course. This is a blatant power grab by the Government. The Minister of State, Deputy Kehoe, can change the regulations, so he should do it.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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As the Deputy is ignoring my request, I wish to name Deputy Catherine Murphy and I move that she be suspended from the service of the House. Is that agreed?
Mattie McGrath (Tipperary South, Independent)
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No.
Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin (Cavan-Monaghan, Sinn Fein)
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Nobody should support that.