Dáil debates
Thursday, 28 February 2013
Order of Business
11:00 am
Eamon Gilmore (Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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It is proposed to take No. 37, Public Health (Tobacco) (Amendment) Bill 2013 - Order for Report, Report and Final Stages; No. 38 - Electoral (Amendment) (Dáil Constituencies) Bill 2012 - Order for Report, Report and Final Stages; and No. 6 - Further Education and Training Bill 2013 - Second Stage (resumed).
It is proposed, notwithstanding anything in Standing Orders, that the Dáil shall sit tomorrow at 10.30 a.m. and shall adjourn not later than 3.30 p.m., there shall be no Order of Business within the meaning of Standing Order 26 and, accordingly, the business to be transacted shall be as follows: (i) No. 7, Finance (Local Property Tax) (Amendment) Bill 2013 - Second Stage; and the proceedings thereon shall, if not previously concluded, be brought to a conclusion at 3.30 p.m. on that day and any division demanded shall be postponed until immediately after the Order of Business on Tuesday, 5 March 2013.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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There is one proposal to put to the House. Is the proposal for the sitting and business of the Dáil tomorrow agreed to?
Dara Calleary (Mayo, Fianna Fail)
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It is not agreed.
Richard Boyd Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, People Before Profit Alliance)
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Not agreed.
Dara Calleary (Mayo, Fianna Fail)
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The proposal for tomorrow involves legislation on the property tax. In order to allow Government Deputies to go home for the weekend it is proposed that we vote on it next Tuesday. Either we have a proper Friday sitting or we do not.
Patrick O'Donovan (Limerick, Fine Gael)
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Will the Deputy take a special train from Connolly?
Dara Calleary (Mayo, Fianna Fail)
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Let us cut out the messing. We will not have an Order of Business tomorrow, we will be having a debate on a Bill that will cost families a lot of money and we will then try to vote on it next Tuesday. We are either serious about Dáil reform or we are not. This charade of sitting tomorrow undermines any intent towards Dáil reform and the seriousness of this House.
Mary Lou McDonald (Dublin Central, Sinn Fein)
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Prior to Christmas the Government rushed through the original legislation for this tax on the family home. It guillotined that debate because it was in a dreadful hurry to get it through the Dáil. We will have a repeat performance of that tomorrow. Although I fear the Tánaiste does not grasp the seriousness of the new tax that he is hell-bent on introducing or the hardship it will bring, at a minimum he should not be guillotining the debate on it. He should allow this Dáil full scope to contribute to the debate. He might hear something that demonstrates to him the error of his ways, although I will not hold my breath.
Richard Boyd Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, People Before Profit Alliance)
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It is bad enough that the Government plans to impose a tax on homes which will put an intolerable burden on hundreds of thousands of families already blighted with unemployment, mortgage distress and income cuts but it is nothing short of sabotage and manipulation of the democratic process that it will guillotine the most important Bill to come before the House this year. There is a clearly established pattern with this Government by which a Bill that is not controversial is allowed to run for days whereas a controversial one is rammed through with a guillotine. That is undermining the democratic basis of this House in an attempt to protect the Government from public scrutiny and anger. I ask the Tánaiste, if the promise of a democratic revolution means anything, to lift this guillotine and allow full scrutiny of this Bill.
Eamon Gilmore (Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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Last week when this issue was raised the original proposal was that all Stages would be taken tomorrow. In light of the issues that have been raised and indications from Opposition Deputies that they wanted more time to debate the Bill, the Government agreed to take Second Stage tomorrow and the remaining Stages next week. That is reflected in this proposal. If the Opposition desires more time to set out their points of view on the Bill, I am prepared to offer it tomorrow. If Opposition Deputies are prepared to accept my offer, I propose to extend the debate until 5.30 p.m. tomorrow.
Barry Cowen (Laois-Offaly, Fianna Fail)
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Will we vote tomorrow?
Eamon Gilmore (Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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That would give us an additional two hours.
Joe Higgins (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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Does that include a vote?
Eamon Gilmore (Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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Do the Deputies opposite want an additional two hours tomorrow?
Barry Cowen (Laois-Offaly, Fianna Fail)
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And a vote.
Joe Higgins (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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Is the Tánaiste offering a vote at 5.30 p.m.?
Eamon Gilmore (Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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The three Opposition spokespersons made a case for more time. Deputy McDonald suggested that the Government might want to hear certain contributions and new opinions. I am offering two additional hours tomorrow. Do the Deputies accept them?
Mattie McGrath (Tipperary South, Independent)
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We want a vote as well.
Eamon Gilmore (Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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They wanted extra time. I have put an offer before them of two extra hours.
Dara Calleary (Mayo, Fianna Fail)
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And a vote.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Can I take it that the order is being amended?
Eamon Gilmore (Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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The Opposition parties want the extra time. If they want to amend the order to extend the debate to 5.30 p.m., I will accept that amendment.
Joe Higgins (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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We do not want a guillotine at 5.30 p.m.
Dara Calleary (Mayo, Fianna Fail)
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Will Second Stage and the associated vote be concluded at 5.30 p.m.?
Eamon Gilmore (Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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No, the vote will be taken on Tuesday.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Do I take it that the proposal is not agreed to?
Dara Calleary (Mayo, Fianna Fail)
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It is not agreed.
Barry Cowen (Laois-Offaly, Fianna Fail)
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There is no vote.
Eamon Gilmore (Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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Time after time Opposition Deputies come into the Chamber to argue for extra time but when the Government provides extra time in most cases they are not in a position to schedule speakers to use it up. Cut out the claptrap. They have been offered two additional hours. They called for more time.
Dara Calleary (Mayo, Fianna Fail)
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We want to vote.
Eamon Gilmore (Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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We already agreed to take Second Stage of the Bill tomorrow and Committee and Remaining Stages next week.
Dara Calleary (Mayo, Fianna Fail)
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We will be here tomorrow but you will not.
Eamon Gilmore (Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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They now want extra time for Second Stage. They can have extra time if they want. It is clear this has nothing to do with the content of the Bill or putting in extra speakers.
Barry Cowen (Laois-Offaly, Fianna Fail)
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What is the Tánaiste opening tomorrow?
Eamon Gilmore (Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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It is simply politics. I have offered an extra two hours if they want it.
Emmet Stagg (Kildare North, Labour)
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They chickened out. They do not want extra time.
Michael Healy-Rae (Kerry South, Independent)
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An all-day sitting for the media.
Richard Boyd Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, People Before Profit Alliance)
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Remove the guillotine and we will stay until 9.30 p.m.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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As no amendment is being proposed I am obliged to put the original question. The question is that the proposal for the sitting and business of the Dáil tomorrow be agreed to.
Tá
- James Bannon
- Tom Barry
- Pat Breen
- Ray Butler
- Jerry Buttimer
- Catherine Byrne
- Eric Byrne
- Ciarán Cannon
- Paudie Coffey
- Áine Collins
- Michael Conaghan
- Paul Connaughton
- Noel Coonan
- Marcella Corcoran Kennedy
- Joe Costello
- Simon Coveney
- Michael Creed
- Lucinda Creighton
- John Deasy
- Jimmy Deenihan
- Pat Deering
- Regina Doherty
- Robert Dowds
- Andrew Doyle
- Bernard Durkan
- Damien English
- Alan Farrell
- Frances Fitzgerald
- Peter Fitzpatrick
- Charles Flanagan
- Terence Flanagan
- Noel Harrington
- Simon Harris
- Brian Hayes
- Tom Hayes
- Martin Heydon
- Phil Hogan
- Heather Humphreys
- Kevin Humphreys
- Derek Keating
- Colm Keaveney
- Paul Kehoe
- Alan Kelly
- Seán Kenny
- Seán Kyne
- Anthony Lawlor
- Michael Lowry
- Ciarán Lynch
- Kathleen Lynch
- Michael McCarthy
- Tony McLoughlin
- Michael McNamara
- Eamonn Maloney
- Peter Mathews
- Olivia Mitchell
- Mary Mitchell O'Connor
- Michelle Mulherin
- Dara Murphy
- Eoghan Murphy
- Gerald Nash
- Denis Naughten
- Dan Neville
- Derek Nolan
- Aodhán Ó Ríordáin
- Kieran O'Donnell
- Patrick O'Donovan
- John O'Mahony
- Joe O'Reilly
- Willie Penrose
- John Perry
- Ann Phelan
- John Paul Phelan
- Ruairi Quinn
- James Reilly
- Brendan Ryan
- Seán Sherlock
- Emmet Stagg
- David Stanton
- Billy Timmins
- Joanna Tuffy
- Jack Wall
- Brian Walsh
Níl
- Gerry Adams
- Richard Boyd Barrett
- Tommy Broughan
- John Browne
- Dara Calleary
- Joan Collins
- Michael Colreavy
- Barry Cowen
- Seán Crowe
- Clare Daly
- Pearse Doherty
- Timmy Dooley
- Dessie Ellis
- Martin Ferris
- Tom Fleming
- Noel Grealish
- John Halligan
- Séamus Healy
- Michael Healy-Rae
- Joe Higgins
- Michael Kitt
- Mary Lou McDonald
- Finian McGrath
- Mattie McGrath
- Sandra McLellan
- Catherine Murphy
- Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin
- Seán Ó Fearghaíl
- Aengus Ó Snodaigh
- Jonathan O'Brien
- Maureen O'Sullivan
- Thomas Pringle
- Shane Ross
- Róisín Shortall
- Brian Stanley
- Peadar Tóibín
- Robert Troy
- Mick Wallace
11:15 am
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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I am afraid the time allotted for the Order of Business has expired. We must move on.
Joe Higgins (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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A Cheann Comhairle, that is completely out of order.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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I am sorry.
Joe Higgins (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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On a point of order-----
Ray Butler (Meath West, Fine Gael)
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It is the Deputy's own fault.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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What is the point of order?
Joe Higgins (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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The Government forced a vote and thereby used up the little time available to us for the Order of Business.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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I am sorry, but that is not a point of order.
Joe Higgins (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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The Tánaiste has scarpered and we have been denied an opportunity to ask about legislation.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Standing Orders of the House provide for a period of 30 minutes for the Order of Business on a Tuesday and Wednesday and 20 minutes on a Thursday. If the time has been used, I cannot do anything about it.
Joe Higgins (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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There should be some injury time after a vote is called.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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I am in order and I am afraid the Deputy is out of order.