Dáil debates

Thursday, 28 February 2013

11:00 am

Photo of Eamon GilmoreEamon Gilmore (Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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It is proposed to take No. 37, Public Health (Tobacco) (Amendment) Bill 2013 - Order for Report, Report and Final Stages; No. 38 - Electoral (Amendment) (Dáil Constituencies) Bill 2012 - Order for Report, Report and Final Stages; and No. 6 - Further Education and Training Bill 2013 - Second Stage (resumed).

It is proposed, notwithstanding anything in Standing Orders, that the Dáil shall sit tomorrow at 10.30 a.m. and shall adjourn not later than 3.30 p.m., there shall be no Order of Business within the meaning of Standing Order 26 and, accordingly, the business to be transacted shall be as follows: (i) No. 7, Finance (Local Property Tax) (Amendment) Bill 2013 - Second Stage; and the proceedings thereon shall, if not previously concluded, be brought to a conclusion at 3.30 p.m. on that day and any division demanded shall be postponed until immediately after the Order of Business on Tuesday, 5 March 2013.

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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There is one proposal to put to the House. Is the proposal for the sitting and business of the Dáil tomorrow agreed to?

Photo of Dara CallearyDara Calleary (Mayo, Fianna Fail)
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It is not agreed.

Photo of Richard Boyd BarrettRichard Boyd Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, People Before Profit Alliance)
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Not agreed.

Photo of Dara CallearyDara Calleary (Mayo, Fianna Fail)
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The proposal for tomorrow involves legislation on the property tax. In order to allow Government Deputies to go home for the weekend it is proposed that we vote on it next Tuesday. Either we have a proper Friday sitting or we do not.

Photo of Patrick O'DonovanPatrick O'Donovan (Limerick, Fine Gael)
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Will the Deputy take a special train from Connolly?

Photo of Dara CallearyDara Calleary (Mayo, Fianna Fail)
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Let us cut out the messing. We will not have an Order of Business tomorrow, we will be having a debate on a Bill that will cost families a lot of money and we will then try to vote on it next Tuesday. We are either serious about Dáil reform or we are not. This charade of sitting tomorrow undermines any intent towards Dáil reform and the seriousness of this House.

Photo of Mary Lou McDonaldMary Lou McDonald (Dublin Central, Sinn Fein)
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Prior to Christmas the Government rushed through the original legislation for this tax on the family home. It guillotined that debate because it was in a dreadful hurry to get it through the Dáil. We will have a repeat performance of that tomorrow. Although I fear the Tánaiste does not grasp the seriousness of the new tax that he is hell-bent on introducing or the hardship it will bring, at a minimum he should not be guillotining the debate on it. He should allow this Dáil full scope to contribute to the debate. He might hear something that demonstrates to him the error of his ways, although I will not hold my breath.

Photo of Richard Boyd BarrettRichard Boyd Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, People Before Profit Alliance)
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It is bad enough that the Government plans to impose a tax on homes which will put an intolerable burden on hundreds of thousands of families already blighted with unemployment, mortgage distress and income cuts but it is nothing short of sabotage and manipulation of the democratic process that it will guillotine the most important Bill to come before the House this year. There is a clearly established pattern with this Government by which a Bill that is not controversial is allowed to run for days whereas a controversial one is rammed through with a guillotine. That is undermining the democratic basis of this House in an attempt to protect the Government from public scrutiny and anger. I ask the Tánaiste, if the promise of a democratic revolution means anything, to lift this guillotine and allow full scrutiny of this Bill.

Photo of Eamon GilmoreEamon Gilmore (Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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Last week when this issue was raised the original proposal was that all Stages would be taken tomorrow. In light of the issues that have been raised and indications from Opposition Deputies that they wanted more time to debate the Bill, the Government agreed to take Second Stage tomorrow and the remaining Stages next week. That is reflected in this proposal. If the Opposition desires more time to set out their points of view on the Bill, I am prepared to offer it tomorrow. If Opposition Deputies are prepared to accept my offer, I propose to extend the debate until 5.30 p.m. tomorrow.

Photo of Barry CowenBarry Cowen (Laois-Offaly, Fianna Fail)
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Will we vote tomorrow?

Photo of Eamon GilmoreEamon Gilmore (Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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That would give us an additional two hours.

Photo of Joe HigginsJoe Higgins (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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Does that include a vote?

Photo of Eamon GilmoreEamon Gilmore (Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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Do the Deputies opposite want an additional two hours tomorrow?

Photo of Barry CowenBarry Cowen (Laois-Offaly, Fianna Fail)
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And a vote.

Photo of Joe HigginsJoe Higgins (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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Is the Tánaiste offering a vote at 5.30 p.m.?

Photo of Eamon GilmoreEamon Gilmore (Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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The three Opposition spokespersons made a case for more time. Deputy McDonald suggested that the Government might want to hear certain contributions and new opinions. I am offering two additional hours tomorrow. Do the Deputies accept them?

Photo of Mattie McGrathMattie McGrath (Tipperary South, Independent)
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We want a vote as well.

Photo of Eamon GilmoreEamon Gilmore (Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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They wanted extra time. I have put an offer before them of two extra hours.

Photo of Dara CallearyDara Calleary (Mayo, Fianna Fail)
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And a vote.

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Can I take it that the order is being amended?

Photo of Eamon GilmoreEamon Gilmore (Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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The Opposition parties want the extra time. If they want to amend the order to extend the debate to 5.30 p.m., I will accept that amendment.

Photo of Joe HigginsJoe Higgins (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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We do not want a guillotine at 5.30 p.m.

Photo of Dara CallearyDara Calleary (Mayo, Fianna Fail)
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Will Second Stage and the associated vote be concluded at 5.30 p.m.?

Photo of Eamon GilmoreEamon Gilmore (Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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No, the vote will be taken on Tuesday.

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Do I take it that the proposal is not agreed to?

Photo of Dara CallearyDara Calleary (Mayo, Fianna Fail)
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It is not agreed.

Photo of Barry CowenBarry Cowen (Laois-Offaly, Fianna Fail)
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There is no vote.

Photo of Eamon GilmoreEamon Gilmore (Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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Time after time Opposition Deputies come into the Chamber to argue for extra time but when the Government provides extra time in most cases they are not in a position to schedule speakers to use it up. Cut out the claptrap. They have been offered two additional hours. They called for more time.

Photo of Dara CallearyDara Calleary (Mayo, Fianna Fail)
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We want to vote.

Photo of Eamon GilmoreEamon Gilmore (Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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We already agreed to take Second Stage of the Bill tomorrow and Committee and Remaining Stages next week.

Photo of Dara CallearyDara Calleary (Mayo, Fianna Fail)
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We will be here tomorrow but you will not.

Photo of Eamon GilmoreEamon Gilmore (Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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They now want extra time for Second Stage. They can have extra time if they want. It is clear this has nothing to do with the content of the Bill or putting in extra speakers.

Photo of Barry CowenBarry Cowen (Laois-Offaly, Fianna Fail)
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What is the Tánaiste opening tomorrow?

Photo of Eamon GilmoreEamon Gilmore (Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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It is simply politics. I have offered an extra two hours if they want it.

Photo of Emmet StaggEmmet Stagg (Kildare North, Labour)
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They chickened out. They do not want extra time.

Photo of Michael Healy-RaeMichael Healy-Rae (Kerry South, Independent)
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An all-day sitting for the media.

Photo of Richard Boyd BarrettRichard Boyd Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, People Before Profit Alliance)
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Remove the guillotine and we will stay until 9.30 p.m.

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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As no amendment is being proposed I am obliged to put the original question. The question is that the proposal for the sitting and business of the Dáil tomorrow be agreed to.

Question put:

The Dáil divided: Tá, 82; Níl, 38.

Tellers: Tá, Deputies Paul Kehoe and Emmet Stagg; Níl, Deputies Seán Ó Fearghaíl and Peadar Tóibín.

Níl

Question declared carried.

11:15 am

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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I am afraid the time allotted for the Order of Business has expired. We must move on.

Photo of Joe HigginsJoe Higgins (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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A Cheann Comhairle, that is completely out of order.

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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I am sorry.

Photo of Joe HigginsJoe Higgins (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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On a point of order-----

Photo of Ray ButlerRay Butler (Meath West, Fine Gael)
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It is the Deputy's own fault.

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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What is the point of order?

Photo of Joe HigginsJoe Higgins (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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The Government forced a vote and thereby used up the little time available to us for the Order of Business.

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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I am sorry, but that is not a point of order.

Photo of Joe HigginsJoe Higgins (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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The Tánaiste has scarpered and we have been denied an opportunity to ask about legislation.

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Standing Orders of the House provide for a period of 30 minutes for the Order of Business on a Tuesday and Wednesday and 20 minutes on a Thursday. If the time has been used, I cannot do anything about it.

Photo of Joe HigginsJoe Higgins (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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There should be some injury time after a vote is called.

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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I am in order and I am afraid the Deputy is out of order.