Dáil debates

Wednesday, 1 March 2006

Ceisteanna — Questions.

Cabinet Committees.

11:00 am

Photo of Joe HigginsJoe Higgins (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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Question 11: To ask the Taoiseach when the Cabinet sub-committee on drugs and social inclusion last met. [1874/06]

Photo of Caoimhghín Ó CaoláinCaoimhghín Ó Caoláin (Cavan-Monaghan, Sinn Fein)
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Question 12: To ask the Taoiseach when the membership of the Cabinet sub-committee on drugs and social inclusion last met. [3217/06]

Photo of Caoimhghín Ó CaoláinCaoimhghín Ó Caoláin (Cavan-Monaghan, Sinn Fein)
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Question 13: To ask the Taoiseach the Cabinet sub-committees on which he sits or on which his Department is represented. [3218/06]

Photo of Pat RabbittePat Rabbitte (Dublin South West, Labour)
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Question 14: To ask the Taoiseach when the Cabinet sub-committee on drugs and social inclusion last met; and when the next meeting is due to be held. [4187/06]

Photo of Trevor SargentTrevor Sargent (Dublin North, Green Party)
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Question 15: To ask the Taoiseach when the Cabinet sub-committee on drugs and social inclusion last met. [6399/06]

Photo of Bertie AhernBertie Ahern (Dublin Central, Fianna Fail)
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I propose to take Questions Nos. 11 to 15, inclusive, together.

The Cabinet sub-committee on social inclusion last met on 1 February 2006. The sub-committee's next meeting is scheduled to take place on 5 April next. I generally attend meetings of the Cabinet sub-committees on housing; infrastructure and public private partnerships; health; European affairs; science and technology; and children, which meets following the meetings of the Cabinet sub-committee on social inclusion. There are no plans for future meetings of the Cabinet sub-committees on Aer Lingus and decentralisation.

Photo of Joe HigginsJoe Higgins (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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I know the Ceann Comhairle is waiting to stop me from asking a question before I——

Photo of Rory O'HanlonRory O'Hanlon (Cavan-Monaghan, Ceann Comhairle)
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The Deputy is familiar with Standing Orders at this stage.

Photo of Joe HigginsJoe Higgins (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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I could see he was holding his breath and waiting to pounce. I suggest the House should revert to its practice during the current Government's first term in office, when the Minister of State with responsibility for social inclusion and drugs problems gave lengthy answers to questions on this matter and Deputies were allowed to ask at greater length about the role of the Cabinet sub-committee and Government policy on this issue. That would be a good initiative. What is the precise role of the Cabinet sub-committee on drugs and social inclusion in 2006? What recent initiatives have been taken by the sub-committee? In what way has the sub-committee made a difference to Government policy? In particular, what difference has the sub-committee made to the problems being suffered in many communities?

Photo of Rory O'HanlonRory O'Hanlon (Cavan-Monaghan, Ceann Comhairle)
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The matters discussed by the sub-committee impinge on Cabinet confidentiality. They cannot be discussed on foot of the questions before the House. If the Deputy reads the questions, he will find that they refer to when the last meeting of the sub-committee was held and when the next meeting will be held.

Photo of Joe HigginsJoe Higgins (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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I know but, in fairness, if I am confined to just listening to the Taoiseach give us a date——

Photo of Rory O'HanlonRory O'Hanlon (Cavan-Monaghan, Ceann Comhairle)
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The Deputy can submit questions to the line Ministers on all these issues. His questions will be answered then.

Photo of Joe HigginsJoe Higgins (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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Yes, but the Taoiseach has responsibility and attends these meetings.

Photo of Rory O'HanlonRory O'Hanlon (Cavan-Monaghan, Ceann Comhairle)
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The Taoiseach has no responsibility for the matter.

Photo of Joe HigginsJoe Higgins (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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Why is he answering questions on it then?

Photo of Rory O'HanlonRory O'Hanlon (Cavan-Monaghan, Ceann Comhairle)
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If the Deputy reads the questions before the House, he will see what they refer to.

Photo of Joe HigginsJoe Higgins (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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Technically, all the Ceann Comhairle will allow is for the Taoiseach to name a date and all other Deputies to remain in their seats and stay schtum.

Photo of Rory O'HanlonRory O'Hanlon (Cavan-Monaghan, Ceann Comhairle)
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If the Deputy looks at his question, he will see he asked the Taoiseach "when the Cabinet sub-committee on drugs and social inclusion last met". That is the Deputy's question.

Photo of Emmet StaggEmmet Stagg (Kildare North, Labour)
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The Taoiseach would be delighted to answer if the Ceann Comhairle let him.

Photo of Joe HigginsJoe Higgins (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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One cannot ask a supplementary question, in effect.

Photo of Rory O'HanlonRory O'Hanlon (Cavan-Monaghan, Ceann Comhairle)
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I admit there is very little opportunity for supplementary questions on foot of the questions before the House.

Photo of Joe HigginsJoe Higgins (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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That is ridiculous.

Photo of Rory O'HanlonRory O'Hanlon (Cavan-Monaghan, Ceann Comhairle)
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If the Deputy has a question on this issue, it should be directed to the line Minister.

Photo of Joe HigginsJoe Higgins (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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It would be more honest not to have allowed these questions at all. I asked the Taoiseach a few questions before I was stopped.

Photo of Bertie AhernBertie Ahern (Dublin Central, Fianna Fail)
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I will respond to the points made by the Deputy at the start of his contribution. As I have said previously, there is nothing to stop Deputies from tabling questions as we used to do. The only difference is that in the last Dáil, I did not take up the full 90 minutes available to me for oral questions during the week — the relevant Minister would come in before that time had elapsed — but the practice in this Dáil has been that I have used the full 90 minutes, which means that no time is left for questions to other Ministers. I cannot do anything about that. Questions have to be tabled to the line Ministers for response during their own period. It is beyond my control.

Photo of Pat RabbittePat Rabbitte (Dublin South West, Labour)
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What can the Taoiseach do? He would answer the questions if he could.

Photo of Bertie AhernBertie Ahern (Dublin Central, Fianna Fail)
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I take up all the time available to me.

Photo of Caoimhghín Ó CaoláinCaoimhghín Ó Caoláin (Cavan-Monaghan, Sinn Fein)
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Does the Cabinet sub-committee on drugs and social inclusion receive regular reports on the drugs issue from the Garda Síochána? Following the publication last September of Merchants Quay Ireland's annual report, my colleagues and I called for the development of a fully resourced national action plan to prevent and address cocaine use and its consequences. Has the Cabinet sub-committee addressed this very pressing issue?

Photo of Bertie AhernBertie Ahern (Dublin Central, Fianna Fail)
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All the issues relating to drugs and the relevant groups are dealt with by the sub-committee, which meets all the relevant interests regularly.

Photo of Caoimhghín Ó CaoláinCaoimhghín Ó Caoláin (Cavan-Monaghan, Sinn Fein)
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Does it consider reports from the Garda?

Photo of Rory O'HanlonRory O'Hanlon (Cavan-Monaghan, Ceann Comhairle)
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Would Deputy Rabbitte like to ask a supplementary question?

Photo of Pat RabbittePat Rabbitte (Dublin South West, Labour)
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The Taoiseach has answered so comprehensively that I cannot think of another question.

Photo of Bernard DurkanBernard Durkan (Kildare North, Fine Gael)
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It is impossible to improve on perfection.

Photo of Trevor SargentTrevor Sargent (Dublin North, Green Party)
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Perhaps the Taoiseach can remind Deputies who is on the Cabinet sub-committee and the dates of the meetings of which we are talking. We should have such details when we are asking questions of the line Ministers and doing the real business. I ask the Ceann Comhairle to consider the spectacle before him. We are asking about the date of a meeting, which is information that could quite easily be elicited by a telephone call if it were not for the possibility of being able to ask a supplementary question. It is as if the only question that could be asked of SteveStaunton were to relate to the colour of the jerseys to be worn by a football team.

Photo of Bertie AhernBertie Ahern (Dublin Central, Fianna Fail)
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That changes too.

Photo of Trevor SargentTrevor Sargent (Dublin North, Green Party)
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To ask the Taoiseach about the date of a meeting without being able to ask supplementary questions does not ring true or have any semblance of reality. A wider Standing Order is needed so when we ask questions, we can follow them by asking about some of the related issues.

Photo of Rory O'HanlonRory O'Hanlon (Cavan-Monaghan, Ceann Comhairle)
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Perhaps the Deputy should submit a question for written answer.

Photo of Trevor SargentTrevor Sargent (Dublin North, Green Party)
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I think the Standing Order is what we are really talking about here.

Photo of Rory O'HanlonRory O'Hanlon (Cavan-Monaghan, Ceann Comhairle)
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That is a matter for the House.

Photo of Trevor SargentTrevor Sargent (Dublin North, Green Party)
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When a question is allowed, we expect to be able to ask supplementary questions. Apparently, there is no possibility of a supplementary question in this case.

Photo of Rory O'HanlonRory O'Hanlon (Cavan-Monaghan, Ceann Comhairle)
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There is no provision for supplementary questions dealing with matters which are subject to Cabinet confidentiality.

Photo of Trevor SargentTrevor Sargent (Dublin North, Green Party)
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We are not just in here to listen to the Taoiseach.

Photo of Rory O'HanlonRory O'Hanlon (Cavan-Monaghan, Ceann Comhairle)
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That is a long-standing rule of the House. There are precedents.

Photo of Trevor SargentTrevor Sargent (Dublin North, Green Party)
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The Ceann Comhairle can see how ridiculous this looks.

Photo of Bertie AhernBertie Ahern (Dublin Central, Fianna Fail)
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It is pointless tabling a question such as this and we have just agreed that is the case. I cannot add to it. It is just a case of having a question on the Order Paper. The relevant Ministers are the Minister for Education and Science, the Minister for Enterprise, Trade and Employment, the Minister for Community, Rural and Gaeltacht Affairs, the Minister for Finance, the Minister for the Environment, Heritage and Local Government, the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform, the Minister for Social and Family Affairs, and the Ministers of State with responsibility for children, housing and urban renewal, the national drugs strategy, community affairs, equality issues, including disability issues, and labour affairs, including training. We have a full attendance at most of the meetings and that is a broad range of Ministries. Deputies may table questions on any individual areas of responsibility.