Dáil debates

Thursday, 17 November 2005

Sea-Fisheries and Maritime Jurisdiction Bill 2005: Order for Second Stage.

 

Bill entitled an Act to revise with amendments Part xiii of The Fisheries (Consolidation) Act 1959 and The Maritime Jurisdiction Acts 1959 to 1988, to amend and extend the Fisheries Acts 1959 to 2003, the Mercantile Marine Act 1955, the Fishery Harbour Centres Act 1968, the Dumping at Sea Act 1996 and the Maritime Safety act 2005, to amend or repeal certain enactments and to provide for connected matters.

10:30 am

Photo of Noel DempseyNoel Dempsey (Meath, Fianna Fail)
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I move: "That Second Stage be taken now."

Photo of Tommy BroughanTommy Broughan (Dublin North East, Labour)
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I do not agree to the Order for Second Stage on the basis that there was no prior consultation with the House, the relevant committee or the stakeholders. It was suddenly published and brought to a hastily arranged meeting of the Joint Committee on Communications, Marine and Natural Resources. At that meeting, all Members from the Government side strongly indicated they would oppose of the taking of this Bill as presented. For that reason, I want to take the opportunity to show to the fishing industry and the coastal communities how those Government Members will talk the talk but not walk the walk and will support the Government's legislation.

Photo of John PerryJohn Perry (Sligo-Leitrim, Fine Gael)
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The Bill is inappropriate, ill-judged and a one dimensional approach to the management of our valuable fish resources. The Bill is perceived to be about consolidating law and remedying constitutional deficiencies but has been hijacked. However, it is a totally different Bill that takes the opportunity of legislation to bring in wholly unwarranted provisions and curtailments on citizens' rights of redress. The Bill is opposite to what is needed in this industry. It highlights how the Government is disinterested, in disarray and at loggerheads with itself as to fisheries policy.

Photo of Dan BoyleDan Boyle (Cork South Central, Green Party)
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The Green Party opposes the Order for Second Stage on the grounds that the Bill has been subject to consideration outside of the House. There is uncertainty about the Bill's nature and whether what has been presented to us is what the Government intends. It is being presented by the Department of Communications, Marine and Natural Resources whose Ministers seem to be in open warfare. Yesterday, on Question Time, there were at least six seats between the Minister for Communications, Marine and Natural Resources, Deputy Noel Dempsey, and the Minister of State at the Department of Communications, Marine and Natural Resources, Deputy Gallagher. Now they are sitting together so maybe they had an opportunity to talk overnight.

Photo of Noel DempseyNoel Dempsey (Meath, Fianna Fail)
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At least we were in the House, unlike the Deputy. Deputy Boyle could not bring himself to sit down beside some of his Green Party colleagues.

Photo of Dan BoyleDan Boyle (Cork South Central, Green Party)
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This Bill shows the Government's lack of credibility in this area.

Photo of Caoimhghín Ó CaoláinCaoimhghín Ó Caoláin (Cavan-Monaghan, Sinn Fein)
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On behalf of Sinn Féin, I concur with the case put by Deputy Broughan. We will be supporting the division we anticipate he will call.

11:00 am

Photo of Noel DempseyNoel Dempsey (Meath, Fianna Fail)
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I am rather surprised by this. The Opposition had notice of this Bill for some time. Last June, we were requested to give the Joint Committee on Communications, Marine and Natural Resources an opportunity to discuss it before it was published. We deferred publication from the end of June or early July to the end of September as the House did not sit and the Bill could not be taken. The committee undertook to meet on 12 September to discuss the Bill.

Photo of Tommy BroughanTommy Broughan (Dublin North East, Labour)
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We saw the Bill once and the next day it was discussed by the committee.

Photo of Rory O'HanlonRory O'Hanlon (Cavan-Monaghan, Ceann Comhairle)
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The Minister without interruption.

Photo of Noel DempseyNoel Dempsey (Meath, Fianna Fail)
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For one reason or another, the committee members could not get together. This Bill is necessitated by several Supreme Court decisions which have seriously affected this country's ability——

Photo of Tommy BroughanTommy Broughan (Dublin North East, Labour)
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It is the Government's fault.

Photo of John PerryJohn Perry (Sligo-Leitrim, Fine Gael)
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There was no consultation.

Photo of Rory O'HanlonRory O'Hanlon (Cavan-Monaghan, Ceann Comhairle)
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The Minister without interruption.

Photo of Noel DempseyNoel Dempsey (Meath, Fianna Fail)
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—— to implement European common fisheries law.

Photo of John PerryJohn Perry (Sligo-Leitrim, Fine Gael)
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That is not the case in Europe.

Photo of Noel DempseyNoel Dempsey (Meath, Fianna Fail)
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The Bill brings together seven Acts of the Oireachtas relating to the issue that are already in place. If the Deputies opposite wish to filibuster and delay it——

Photo of Emmet StaggEmmet Stagg (Kildare North, Labour)
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The Deputies behind the Minister have the same opinion.

Photo of Tommy BroughanTommy Broughan (Dublin North East, Labour)
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The Minister should talk to his own party members.

Photo of John PerryJohn Perry (Sligo-Leitrim, Fine Gael)
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There was no consultation.

Photo of Noel DempseyNoel Dempsey (Meath, Fianna Fail)
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——they can take full responsibility for the consequences to the Irish taxpayers.

Photo of Tommy BroughanTommy Broughan (Dublin North East, Labour)
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As always.

Photo of John GormleyJohn Gormley (Dublin South East, Green Party)
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Do not talk of the Irish taxpayers in such a fashion.

Photo of Ruairi QuinnRuairi Quinn (Dublin South East, Labour)
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The taxpayers did not want it.

Photo of John PerryJohn Perry (Sligo-Leitrim, Fine Gael)
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There was no consultation.

Photo of Noel DempseyNoel Dempsey (Meath, Fianna Fail)
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If the legislation is not passed there will be serious implications for Irish taxpayers.

Photo of Emmet StaggEmmet Stagg (Kildare North, Labour)
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There was no consultation.

Photo of Noel DempseyNoel Dempsey (Meath, Fianna Fail)
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I am surprised the Green Party, which has given many lectures about conservation of fisheries, is taking this attitude and wishes to delay the legislation.

Photo of Dan BoyleDan Boyle (Cork South Central, Green Party)
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The Minister does not have the authority to dictate our party policy.

Question put.

The Dáil divided by electronic means.

Photo of Emmet StaggEmmet Stagg (Kildare North, Labour)
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As a teller and given that the Fianna Fáil backbenchers are very anxious to demonstrate their positions publicly and clearly on this matter, under Standing Order 69 I propose that the vote be taken by other than electronic means.

Photo of Noel O'FlynnNoel O'Flynn (Cork North Central, Fianna Fail)
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Why? We have already voted.

Photo of Rory O'HanlonRory O'Hanlon (Cavan-Monaghan, Ceann Comhairle)
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As Deputy Stagg is a Whip, under Standing Order 69 he is entitled to call a vote through the lobby.

Question again put: "That Second Stage be taken now."

The Dail Divided:

For the motion: 63 (Dermot Ahern, Noel Ahern, Barry Andrews, Seán Ardagh, Johnny Brady, Martin Brady, John Browne, Joe Callanan, Pat Carey, John Carty, Donie Cassidy, Mary Coughlan, John Cregan, Martin Cullen, John Curran, Síle de Valera, Noel Dempsey, Tony Dempsey, John Dennehy, Jimmy Devins, John Ellis, Frank Fahey, Dermot Fitzpatrick, Seán Fleming, Mildred Fox, Pat Gallagher, Jim Glennon, Noel Grealish, Mary Hanafin, Mary Harney, Seán Haughey, Máire Hoctor, Cecilia Keaveney, Billy Kelleher, Peter Kelly, Tony Killeen, Séamus Kirk, Brian Lenihan Jnr, Conor Lenihan, Michael McDowell, Tom McEllistrim, John Moloney, Donal Moynihan, Michael Moynihan, Michael Mulcahy, M J Nolan, Seán Ó Fearghaíl, Charlie O'Connor, Willie O'Dea, Liz O'Donnell, Denis O'Donovan, Noel O'Flynn, Ned O'Keeffe, Fiona O'Malley, Tim O'Malley, Tom Parlon, Seán Power, Dick Roche, Mae Sexton, Michael Smith, Ollie Wilkinson, Michael Woods, G V Wright)

Against the motion: 48 (Dan Boyle, Tommy Broughan, Richard Bruton, Joe Costello, Jerry Cowley, Seán Crowe, John Deasy, Jimmy Deenihan, Damien English, Olwyn Enright, Martin Ferris, Eamon Gilmore, John Gormley, Tom Hayes, Joe Higgins, Michael D Higgins, Brendan Howlin, Paul Kehoe, Kathleen Lynch, Pádraic McCormack, Shane McEntee, Dinny McGinley, Finian McGrath, Paul McGrath, Paddy McHugh, Liz McManus, Arthur Morgan, Catherine Murphy, Gerard Murphy, Dan Neville, Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin, Fergus O'Dowd, Jim O'Keeffe, Brian O'Shea, Jan O'Sullivan, Séamus Pattison, John Perry, Ruairi Quinn, Michael Ring, Seán Ryan, Trevor Sargent, Róisín Shortall, Emmet Stagg, David Stanton, Billy Timmins, Liam Twomey, Mary Upton, Jack Wall)

Tellers: Tá, Deputies Curran and Kitt; Níl, Deputies Kehoe and Stagg.

Question declared carried.