Séamus McGrath (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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I apologise if that was discussed earlier. As I said, I was not party to that. What Ms Joyce is saying about the trust issue is very interesting. All too often these interactions occur on a negative footing. As Ms Joyce said earlier, it is very important to be more supportive and positive in those interactions. That is where the system falls down. There is interaction with Tusla when something goes wrong or when there has been a complaint or a report as opposed to proactive intervention to provide support to prevent matters becoming an issue. That is where the attention needs to be. I hear that loud and clear.