Ms Catherine Naughton:

I will give two examples that relate to Dr. Keogh's points. A few years ago, I delivered training to a group of CEOs of humanitarian organisations. It really amazed me that all ten of them stayed for the whole day. When we were doing the reflection at the end, I said I was surprised that they had all showed up for this one-day training on disability awareness and stayed for the whole day, with none of them going off to meetings. I asked them why they were there and they explained that their main donor, which was the Australian Government, had asked them to report on their work on disability and disaggregate data. All the organisations it funds had to report back at the level of beneficiaries and they could not get away with not doing so. That is one of the abilities the Government has as a funder of such organisations.

The other example is related more to domestic issues around how we get our emergency services and public services to include people with disabilities. I was involved in looking at the disability mainstreaming approach of the Government in Kenya. I went to different Ministries there and had to interview people for the United Nations Development Programme. All the Ministries, including those with responsibility for children and training, had all been requesting training on disability awareness from the disabled persons organisations. The latter were very busy providing that training and I was really impressed that all these Ministries were availing of it. When I inquired as to why they asked for the training, because it was a bit weird that they would be so proactive, they said that in their performance evaluation, they had to show what they did. They got three out of three points if they had all their civil servants trained, two out of three points if they had only engaged random training and so on. They were being judged on how well they had done it. Their accountability mechanisms related to what measures they had taken for disability mainstreaming. Those two anecdotes struck me as showing instances of actions that were impactful in terms of disability mainstreaming in a way that is not usually achieved.