Mr. Jack Nolan:

There is ongoing discussion between all Departments about the environment. We have to remember first that the polluter pays principle applies. Many farmers, although not all, have expanded and we have 500,000 extra cows. We are now going back to the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform to say we want to grant-aid or subsidise this. That is one way of dealing with the issue. The other is through MilkFlex and other similar loans. The banks, for example, give low-cost loans to applicants who have a better green rating for their house. Why can the same thing not be done for agriculture? At the minute, the State-----