Mr. Eamonn Donnelly:

Some of that is driven by public sector commentary. If there is slippage or controversy involving Tusla, everyone says that as a public organisation in the public service, it is not working to this standard, that standard and the other standard. I will give an example. Any time there is a scandal, an effort is immediately made to introduce a policy to react to it. That is not systematic planning.

It is also an agency that is only in existence since 2014. It is relatively young. In an effort to try to cope with all the outside pressures the Deputy is probably right that there is a focus on saying that we must change the culture. One must keep one's nerve in this industry and say that we have a vision over five or ten years, we are going to work towards that and we are going to meet some lumps and bumps on the way. We have identified something here and we must ask ourselves why so many people are leaving. We must have a systematic approach to finding out why that is the case and make it a priority. It should not be that we need to suddenly write some policy because something went wrong and it was on the radio, and there is an element of that.