Mr. Niall Kelly:

However, as Mr. Barrett said earlier, ignorance of the law is not an excuse, and a lot of this stuff is set down in law, and very old law at that. The basic legislation in this regard is 1866. It is not as if there is some sort of new governance code that has just come in in recent years. This is going back a long time and people should know about it. However, the fact is that when I went to audit the college, I found staff who were trained as gardaí, effectively with no or very little administrative training, who were running large-scale enterprises with a lot of money flowing through them, and with no real assistance. One could sympathise with them. They were put into these jobs, they did not have much training for them, and they muddled through as best they could, but that was not adequate.