Mr. John Mulcahy:

I suggest the Deputy should try to diffuse it because my comment about the Northern Ireland debtors was in the context of what my demeanour was in terms of why I wanted to sell the Northern Ireland portfolio. I never met Mr. Frank Cushnahan. I was not aware of his involvement with any debtors. My only awareness of that comes from the fact that in the Northern Ireland minutes of those meetings, there is, if I had read them at the time, a declaration of a conflict. Other than that-----