Mr. Brian Nolan:

For the longest time, the standard apprenticeship has had seven modules. If we look at it as odds and evens, phases one, three, five and seven are done in one place and phases two, four and six are done in an academic setting. Phase two would typically be in an ETB, which are very much trade schools and oriented towards that. Apprentices do not necessarily feel out of place there, but when they go to a third level institute, there might be a different set-up. Not every third level institute in the country provides access to apprenticeships. There are merits to it on both counts. Some of the institutes were very good at delivering the apprenticeship. Bolton Street, for example, was a big stable in Dublin. Kevin Street was another. They all form part of the technological university campus in Grangegorman. No faults there; it delivers a fantastic apprenticeship. There are third level institutes around the country with various different degrees of-----