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Tuesday, 8 May 2018

Department of Defence

Defence Forces Personnel Data

Photo of Jack ChambersJack Chambers (Dublin West, Fianna Fail)
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99. To ask the Taoiseach and Minister for Defence if media reports that in 2016 it cost the taxpayer €15 million to replace Defence Forces personnel that left were accurate; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [19817/18]

Photo of Jack ChambersJack Chambers (Dublin West, Fianna Fail)
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100. To ask the Taoiseach and Minister for Defence the number of members of the Permanent Defence Force in whole-time equivalent terms, that left the service in each of the years 2013 to 2017, for reasons other than retirement; the branch of the service of each; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [19818/18]

Photo of Jack ChambersJack Chambers (Dublin West, Fianna Fail)
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101. To ask the Taoiseach and Minister for Defence the estimated savings that would be made in terms of training and recruitment if the numbers leaving the Permanent Defence Force in 2018 for reasons other than retirement were halved relative to 2017; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [19819/18]

Photo of Paul KehoePaul Kehoe (Wexford, Fine Gael)
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I propose to take Questions Nos. 99 to 101, inclusive, together.

Given the unique and demanding nature of military life, there is understandably a relatively high level of turnover among Defence Forces personnel. This is not new and the Permanent Defence Force has always had a level of turnover that far exceeds other areas of the public service. This is a necessary feature of military organisations and allows for continuous renewal, promotions etc.

The table below sets out the numbers leaving for each of the years from 2002 to 2017.

-2002200320042005200620072008200920102011201220132014201520162017
LT GEN0010010110010100
MAJ GEN1011000101000100
BRIG GEN3201211311212213
COL26555911457838298
LT COL13761061213181710161216121216
COMDT20191219272826332138312028223523
CAPT1369101097101113112019302120
LT6137231204228526
Officers 58413753526349825674705981758076
SGT MAJOR44611664943705138
BQMS92427711278215319
CS/FS/BS1816229162816223226361119202521
CQMS/FQMS12151314221920242626381413111519
SGT866776547560739370841175244739771
CPL908062606885705982791105539704757
PTE 3 *297217162174215193131164208271258147141217218237
Other Ranks516401345324409398315383429497568280266395406422
CADET86958722354248712
PTE 2 *352012332428281289101913123224
APPRENTICE3433830310001042
GRADE 11121071381108815014972561118510466126171
In Initial Training15813716215112818817924147012510612286169209
Total732579544528589649543489499641763445469556655707

Discharges from the Defence Forces are recorded under a number of headings without a specific definition of retirement which can be either voluntary or involuntary. The headings range from "at their own request", purchase of discharge, end of contract or reaching age limits.

The figure of €15 million reported by the media is an estimate, provided by the military authorities, of the cost of training the same number of personnel as those who left voluntarily in 2016. The majority of the estimated cost is the pay of those individuals being trained and the pay of their training staff. There is significant scope for misinterpretation of such cost estimates and it is not accurate to infer that the level of savings reported by the media would occur within the Vote if this number of personnel did not leave the Defence Forces.

As the long terms trends illustrate, departure rates at half the level of those of 2017 have not occurred in the period since 2002. Accordingly, the Department of Defence has not engaged in an estimate of savings for this eventuality.

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