Seanad debates

Thursday, 22 October 2020

Nithe i dtosach suíonna - Commencement Matters

School Curriculum

10:30 am

Photo of Malcolm ByrneMalcolm Byrne (Fianna Fail)
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As the Minister of State knows, Ireland has one of the poorest rates of modern European language take-up in Europe. While much of this might be explained by the fact that we use English, that, in itself, does not excuse the fact we have not been able to embed a knowledge of European languages. Employers regularly cite the lack of language skills as a major problem in the Irish workforce.

In a post-Brexit scenario, having a greater knowledge of languages will be an opportunity for Ireland. In addition to that, it is not just about languages, but understanding other cultures. As the Minister of State is aware, the problem is that there has been a shortage of language teachers at second level for quite a while. Second level school principals regularly cite one of their biggest fears as being a language teacher being ill or on maternity leave as it is practically impossible to get a substitute language teacher. I welcome the commitment in the budget to significantly increase the number of Spanish teachers. That is positive, but much more needs to be done.

Some concern has been expressed that some of the exam questions are based much more around philosophical ideas rather than students' linguistic abilities. This is something that needs to be examined by the State Examination Commission. We also have to look at an active campaign, whereby we can encourage second level students to take up languages right to leaving certificate level and beyond. Tied into that has to be a reinvigoration of the primary school languages initiative, which was announced more than a decade ago, but slowly but surely began not to have the same level of emphasis as it had in the past.

The Languages Connect Strategy, which was the foreign languages strategy launched by the Government in December 2017, was very ambitious. It set out that it believed that Ireland should be among the top ten countries in Europe for the teaching and learning of modern European languages. It set out 100 actions, but three years on, very little progress has been made on those actions. That is certainly the case with the targets of increasing the number of post-primary schools offering two or more languages by 25%, and increasing the number of students taking two languages by 25%. That has not happened. We are talking about improving attitudes to foreign language learning, and I have not seen any campaign which is able to do that.

Languages are important, and I am certain the Minister of State is aware of that, given his responsibility for European affairs. It is not good enough for us or for employers to say every so often that we need to improve our language skills.We need real programmes and real actions to be able to do that.

In terms of addressing the shortage of language teachers, a number of years ago when there was a shortage of teachers for honours maths, there was a very successful higher diploma programme that operated in UL that allowed teachers of other subjects to upskill in that area. A similar approach needs to be taken. There has to be a question as well around the registration of native speakers who happen to be teachers with the Teaching Council, and the council needs to be more open to that.

There is an enormous opportunity for Ireland here. We have a very good strategy in place, but I put it to the Minister of State that there has been very little action since the strategy was published.

Photo of Thomas ByrneThomas Byrne (Meath East, Fianna Fail)
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Gabhaim buíochas don Seanadóir Ó Broin os rud é gur ardaigh sé an ábhar tábhachtach seo ag tús an tSeanaid. Is ábhar an-thábhactach é agus ceann a bhfuil i bhfad níos tábhtachtaí anois i gcomhthéacs an Bhreatimeacht.

This debate gives me an opportunity to outline some of the measures that the Government has taken and is taking to support the supply of foreign language teachers, which is a really critical issue, as the Senator rightly identified, and to provide an update on the implementation of the language strategy.

In recent years everyone in the education sector has reported difficulties being experienced by some schools in recruiting post-primary teachers in certain subject areas, including teachers of foreign languages. The Senator might be aware that I wrote a policy document on this very issue on behalf of our party a number of years ago. I am glad that he shares my own concerns about this issue.

As far as I know, the second language that was spoken on the first day of the Dáil was not English but French, when George Gavan Duffy read out the Declaration of Independence. English was spoken after that.

In response to these issues, there was, as the Senator has mentioned, a teacher supply action plan published by the Department that contained a range of actions to address teacher supply and which focused on four policy areas, including higher education. A number of those measures were aimed at supporting the supply of teachers of foreign languages.

As the Senator will undoubtedly know, the Higher Education Authority, HEA, engaged with the higher education institutions to encourage the development of undergraduate initial teacher training programmes in targeted subjects, including foreign languages. This has resulted in new programmes, but obviously it takes time to feed into the system. Nonetheless, it is important to get the foundations right. Since 2019, students can select an undergraduate programme to become a foreign language teacher. This reduces costs they would incur by going on to do a masters in education. These programmes are offered in DCU, UCC, with combinations including Irish, and Limerick, where two foreign languages can be taken on the programme. There were 100 places available on these programmes in 2020, which represents significant additional capacity for foreign language teacher education in the system over the past two years.

It is worth noting that the number of students due to graduate in foreign languages in 2020 from what I referred to as the traditional professional masters in education has also significantly increased. Based on information from our higher education institutions, the graduates on these programmes have increased the potential teacher registrations of foreign languages by more than 130 this year compared with 70 last year. That is starting to make a bit of progress. Obviously we have to make sure that all of these people join and stay in our education system when they get the qualifications.

In addition, the Higher Education Authority issued a call for proposals to upskill existing teachers to meet the Teaching Council's subject criteria in targeted subjects, including Spanish, as mentioned by the Senator. The programmes are two years in duration, open to already registered post-primary teachers, and they will not have to pay fees. It is intended that the details of these programmes will be announced in the coming weeks, and I am delighted that this is happening.

With regard to Languages Connect, which is Ireland's strategy for foreign languages in education and which was published in November 2018, I am pleased to say that significant work has taken place at increasing and diversifying the range of foreign languages taught. A key element of this work has been the development of four new leaving certificate curricular language specifications, which have been rolled out in 15 schools in September of this year, including Mandarin, Chinese, Lithuanian, Polish and Portuguese.

The National Council for Curriculum and Assessment, NCCA, has also published the national primary curriculum framework for public consultation, which recommends the reintroduction of foreign languages in senior classes at primary level. That issue is a particular personal priority for the Taoiseach. I look forward to seeing that rolled out and giving our kids the skills that, as the Senator rightly points out, they need. It is not just a question of wanting it at this stage.

Photo of Malcolm ByrneMalcolm Byrne (Fianna Fail)
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I thank the Minister of State. Merci beaucoup.

Photo of Thomas ByrneThomas Byrne (Meath East, Fianna Fail)
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De rien.

Photo of Joe O'ReillyJoe O'Reilly (Fine Gael)
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Très bien.

Photo of Malcolm ByrneMalcolm Byrne (Fianna Fail)
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I welcome the fact that there has been some progress made but many of these, as the Minister says, are in the pipeline. The difficulty is it represents a challenge for schools. In terms of addressing some of the issues around native speakers who may be able to assist, that is something that will be important.

I understand what the Minister of State is saying about the NCCA and the primary school curriculum, but he will remember we in the past had a programme around modern European languages at primary school.

Photo of Thomas ByrneThomas Byrne (Meath East, Fianna Fail)
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We are bringing it back.

Photo of Malcolm ByrneMalcolm Byrne (Fianna Fail)
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I appreciate that.

Photo of Thomas ByrneThomas Byrne (Meath East, Fianna Fail)
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New Government.

Photo of Malcolm ByrneMalcolm Byrne (Fianna Fail)
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This is not only about languages. It is about understanding cultures. This is a way of breaking down barriers, and also tackling racism which these Houses have a particular concern about.

I welcome the Minister of State's personal commitment on this. The Government is committed to addressing these concerns. While I note that there is some progress, we have to be far more ambitious. In all languages, we have paid lip-service. In this case, we had a good strategy. We are being slow in implementing it.

Photo of Joe O'ReillyJoe O'Reilly (Fine Gael)
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Merci beaucoup.

Photo of Thomas ByrneThomas Byrne (Meath East, Fianna Fail)
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Gracias.

As I have said in the Dáil, we have a national hang-up about languages in this country. Quite frankly, we will have to get over it. I do not know what the reason is. I do not know whether it is because of the historical connotations of the Irish language of poverty. We have our own national language here that, let us be honest, very few speak and that then leads to difficulties.

The challenges are considerable. When I go to European meetings, I am surprised at the amount of English that is not spoken. People are using English but many countries are using their own languages. In fact, I spoke Irish at the General Affairs Council last week. I was pleased to do so. The French certainly do not use English at European meetings and they would probably prefer if we were speaking French to them as well.

We must upskill. The Government is absolutely committed to this. I am bringing forward a policy on recruitment into the European institutions where our biggest problem is the lack of languages. It is not only so that we can all say "Bonjour", "Danke", or whatever. We need a deep level of understanding and a high level of language capability among our graduates if we want to have people working in the European institutions.

We must change the national attitude around this. At our disposal on every phone and television, we have Netflix where all of these television programmes are available in all sorts of languages. Our young people, particularly, have a considerable opportunity now if they decide that languages are the thing for them. When I was doing the leaving certificate, I went around in my father's car with a tape listening to conversations to practise for the oral examination. Now one can watch every programme. We need to grasp these opportunities to become fluent in other languages and go out there to other countries, particularly to the European Union, and be confident about it. We need to put our case there, as our forefathers and foremothers in the Dáil and Seanad did, for instance, in 1919, when, as I stated, George Gavan Duffy read the Declaration of Independence in French to speak that language of diplomacy.

I thank the Senator for raising the issue. It is a priority for the Government. I will certainly bring the points that the Senator raises to the attention of the Minister for Education and Skills, who is dealing with Covid-related matters in schools this morning. The Minister is supporting Covid teams that will be giving help to schools in the next few weeks. That is why Deputy Foley is not here and she asked me to convey her apologies to the House.

Photo of Joe O'ReillyJoe O'Reilly (Fine Gael)
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Gabhaim buíochas leis an Aire Stáit arís. The Minister of State is implying there that our level of linguistic competence in the foreign languages could increase a bit.

Photo of Malcolm ByrneMalcolm Byrne (Fianna Fail)
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In these Houses as well.