Sean Barrett (Independent)
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I move amendment No. 187:

In page 74, line 21, to delete ", other than a contentious matter,".

I think that-----

Jillian van Turnhout (Independent)
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The amendment has already been discussed.

Sean Barrett (Independent)
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-----confining discussions with a barrister to matters which are not contentious seems to be retaining the ban on speaking to barristers without solicitors present.

David Norris (Independent)
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I second the amendment. As I said this morning on the Order of Business, it is a complete and utter nonsense. If one is involved in a contentious matter with a barrister, of course one needs to discuss it. It is like saying someone can come to Seanad Éireann and not speak about anything of a political nature. It is absolutely absurd unless there is an obscure reason which the Minister will now reveal to us.

Jillian van Turnhout (Independent)
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I will now put the question.

David Norris (Independent)
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Is the Minister going to say something to explain this?

Jillian van Turnhout (Independent)
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It was already discussed with amendment No. 2.

David Norris (Independent)
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So there is not a proper-----

Jillian van Turnhout (Independent)
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I am putting the question.

David Cullinane (Sinn Fein)
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I move amendment No. 188:

In page 74, to delete lines 26 to 35, and in page 75, to delete line 1.

Trevor Ó Clochartaigh (Sinn Fein)
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I second the amendment.

David Cullinane (Sinn Fein)
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I move amendment No. 189:

In page 75, to delete lines 29 to 37, to delete page 76, and in page 77, to delete lines 1 to 22.

Trevor Ó Clochartaigh (Sinn Fein)
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I second the amendment.

Frances Fitzgerald (Dublin Mid West, Fine Gael)
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The next four amendments are simply technical references to new sections arising from the changes to the Bill.

Frances Fitzgerald (Dublin Mid West, Fine Gael)
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This is simply to make a substitution.

Frances Fitzgerald (Dublin Mid West, Fine Gael)
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This is similar.

Sean Barrett (Independent)
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I move amendment No. 194:

In page 77, line 13, to delete “unqualified person” and substitute “disqualified person”.

David Norris (Independent)
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I second the amendment.

David Cullinane (Sinn Fein)
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I move amendment No. 197:

In page 77, to delete lines 23 to 39, and in page 78, to delete lines 1 to 5.

Trevor Ó Clochartaigh (Sinn Fein)
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I second the amendment.

David Cullinane (Sinn Fein)
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I move amendment No. 198:

In page 78, to delete lines 6 to 13.

Trevor Ó Clochartaigh (Sinn Fein)
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I second the amendment.

David Cullinane (Sinn Fein)
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I move amendment No. 199:

In page 78, to delete lines 14 to 37, and in page 79, to delete lines 1 to 22.

Trevor Ó Clochartaigh (Sinn Fein)
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I second the amendment.

David Cullinane (Sinn Fein)
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I move amendment No. 200:

In page 79, to delete lines 23 to 35.

Trevor Ó Clochartaigh (Sinn Fein)
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I second the amendment.

Sean Barrett (Independent)
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I move amendment No. 201:

In page 79, between lines 35 and 36, to insert the following:"(f) specify the cost to the client of the services specified in paragraphs (a)to (e)inclusive".

It is vital that legal practitioners state the cost of their services. We discussed this on the previous occasion. I wish the point to be considered most seriously, that complaints about legal costs and unexpected increases in costs are just as important as any of the other items, from paragraphs (a) to (d). I am pressing the amendment most strongly.

David Norris (Independent)
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I second the amendment.