Maurice Cummins (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

The Order of Business is No. 1, Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013 - Report Stage, to be taken at 3.45 p.m. and to adjourn not later than 9 p.m. Business will be interrupted at 5.30 p.m. and resume at 7 p.m.

Darragh O'Brien (Fianna Fail)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

On behalf of the Fianna Fáil Party, I formally welcome Senator Hildegarde Naughton who replaces Dr. Martin McAleese. I extend my best wishes to the Senator for her term in the Seanad and look forward to her contribution to debate. I note her arrival coincides with a week where very little is happening in the House.

I propose an amendment to the Order of Business to move motion No. 7 on the Order Paper. I do so in response to the Government's decision to set aside Standing Orders on Friday by going above the heads of members of the established Committee of Selection. Chaired by the Leas-Chathaoirleach, the cross-party committee deals with the replacement of members of committees.

We withdrew for the first time ever from the House last Friday, on the basis that the Government had just tried to ram these changes through. We also noted Senator John Kelly's remarks on Friday that he did not consent to serving on the Oireachtas Joint Committee on European Union Affairs in replacement for Senator James Heffernan.

This is a serious matter. Does what happened this time mean that if anyone else is to be removed from a committee, it will simply be done by way of a motion on the Order Paper that is then rammed through the House? That is not the way to do business. We try as best we can to be co-operative, although we disagree on many issues, but that is fine. That is what politics is about. However, why have Standing Orders and a Committee of Selection or a Committee on Procedure and Privileges, if the Government can, when it suits it, decide to set these aside and make the changes it wishes to make?

Therefore, I intend to move an amendment to the Order of Business today providing for the reversal of the decisions taken by the Government. What we are asking is simply that the issue be allowed go to the Committee of Selection. I do not see what the rush is. Senator Heffernan lost the Labour Party Whip a number of months ago but he has remained on the committee up to now. The obvious reason for the removal of the other Members from committees is that they did not toe the party Whip. They are being thrown off their committees, regardless of their expertise or experience in those areas. This a further example not just of the creeping centralisation of power, but the most overt centralisation of power, which is now vested in the Taoiseach and the Government Chief Whip. I do not believe this House should be told what to do by the Government Chief Whip as he has nothing to do with this House. Therefore, I intend to move this amendment today.

In regard to tomorrow's Order of Business, will the Leader confirm that the Taoiseach will come to the House tomorrow for the debate on the Thirty-Second Amendment of the Constitution (Abolition of Seanad Éireann) Bill 2013 as he said he would on Second Stage? If so, that will afford me the opportunity to ask the Taoiseach directly about the contacts he had with Anglo Irish Bank and with his constituent in Castlebar, Mr. Moran.

Ivana Bacik (Independent)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

I welcome Senator Naughton who is newly appointed to the House and look forward to working with her. As Senator O'Brien said, this is to be a quiet week, with not much happening in the Seanad.

The Leader will respond to Senator O'Brien in the context of the amendment to the Order of Business. However, in respect of the statement made by Senator John Kelly, as referred to by Senator O'Brien, I am happy to say that internal group matter has been resolved.

David Norris (Independent)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

I bet it has. The Senator knows how that feels. We all remember it was done to her-----

Paddy Burke (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Senator Bacik, without interruption.

Ivana Bacik (Independent)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

It was resolved to Senator Kelly's satisfaction.

David Norris (Independent)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Oh yes. Long live the-----

Paddy Burke (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Please, can we have Senator Bacik without interruption.

Ivana Bacik (Independent)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

I would like to renew my call for a pre-budget debate in the autumn that will consider the budget to come and the issue of austerity. The Tánaiste reminded us over the weekend that we are in the fortunate position of having the saving on the bailout deal that many predicted we would not make. Considering the comments made by Professor Ashoka Mody, formerly of the IMF, it would be worthwhile having a debate in the House to tease out the issue of austerity and the extent to which we can ease back on it in the coming budget in October. I ask the Leader to arrange for a debate on that soon after our return in September.

I welcome the publication by the Minister for Justice and Equality, Deputy Shatter, of the new fines Bill, which provides for attachment of earnings orders. This follows the previous government's Fines Bill, which aimed to reduce the use of imprisonment for those who cannot pay fines imposed by the criminal courts. We would all be hopeful the new Bill will have the desired effect. Unfortunately, the previous Bill did not and was not fully implemented. In the context of the new Bill, I call for a general debate on penal policy and prison conditions. We had a good but brief debate in the House on the Bill dealing with Cork Prison.

In recent weeks, we have seen reports by the Inspector of Prisons setting out some serious criticisms about our prisons. We also have the report of the Joint Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality on penal reform, on which I have been asking the Leader for a debate. I would like to have that debate early in the new term.

We will be debating the Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013 this evening, but there is an extremely tragic report in The Irish Timestoday of a woman who reportedly died in England, having had an abortion carried out there. That reminds us of the 4,000 women per year who have to travel to England for abortions from this jurisdiction.

David Norris (Independent)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

I would like to give a formal welcome to the new Senator Naughton. I am sure my colleagues will also welcome her, and I am sure their welcome will be infinitely warmer than the I welcome I got in Galway during the Presidential election.

Paddy Burke (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

That is not relevant to the Order of Business.

David Norris (Independent)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

It is extremely relevant and I will show you how. You are not in a position to tell me whether it is a relevant or not until I am finished.

Paddy Burke (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Have you a question for the Leader?

David Norris (Independent)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Yes, I have. I would like to ask whether this the direction in which Seanad Éireann is going. It is getting to be like D-Day here with all the parachutes landing all over the place. Would the Leader agree with me that it indicates the Taoiseach's continuing determination to corrupt the Seanad? He has said that-----

Paddy Burke (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

That is completely out of order. Have you a question for the Leader?

David Norris (Independent)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Yes, I have. I am asking him to draw these matters to the attention of the Taoiseach and the Government. What happened in Galway was history. It was the only time in the Presidential election campaign that a candidate was denied the opportunity to speak by the mayoral vote of the now Senator Naughton-----

Paddy Burke (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

We are not discussing the Presidential election.

David Norris (Independent)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

I am putting that in the context of what is happening to this Seanad.

Paddy Burke (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

That has no relevance to what is happening to the Order of Business today. Have you a question for the Leader?

David Norris (Independent)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

I want to say this. This is the shape of things to come. Last week, we had a situation in which 78 amendments were tabled and 77 were ruled out. One was left as a fig leaf. That has never happened in my time in the Seanad. The next day, the Standing Orders of Seanad Éireann were suspended. The Committee of Selection was bypassed in an astonishing way. Those people who had spoken out were punished-----

Paddy Burke (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Have you a question on the Order of Business?

David Norris (Independent)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

-----and this is simply the follow-through. This is about the Order of Business, because we are now dealing with the Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013. We have tabled a number of amendments, but the Bill was guillotined before we got to them.

I would like to say the following about the behaviour of the Government in recent weeks, and there is no personal animus in this. If we look at what has happened, the statements issued and the people issuing them, and if we look at how the Government subverted the rule of law by coming out with a platform before the legislation was passed-----

Paddy Burke (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Are you proposing an amendment to the Order of Business?

David Norris (Independent)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

This is the shape of things to come. Let the Irish people beware. This is the way we will have the rule of law treated in this country if we do not retain Seanad Éireann.

Paddy Burke (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

You are way over time. I call on Senator Henry.

Imelda Henry (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

I would like to welcome Senator Naughton to the House and I congratulate her. I must say that it is great to see another west of Ireland person in this House. I am particularly happy that it is a female. I wish her all the best.

Terry Leyden (Fianna Fail)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

I warmly welcome Senator Hildegarde Naughton to the House. She has given distinguished service to Galway City Council. She is a former mayor and Galway's loss is the Seanad's gain. I wish her every success here. I am particularly delighted that she is from the west of Ireland and that there is gender balance. There were many queueing up for that position since Dr. McAleese left. There was a queue as long as one's hand from all over Dublin in particular, who felt they were entitled to it. A former Lord Mayor of Dublin thought he was going to get it, but obviously he did not.

It augurs well for the Seanad that Senator Naughton has accepted the position, knowing that it is under pressure. Her appointment could actually help to save the Seanad because she is coming in with fresh thoughts and ideas. I believe her appointment augurs well for the House. I know she has a long political career ahead, whether in the Seanad or the Dáil.

It is a wonderful honour for someone to serve in the Irish Parliament. We all know that. That is why we respect it and that is why I am delighted for Senator Naughton and her family. I congratulate them. I wish them good health and good luck.

Aideen Hayden (Labour)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

I too welcome Senator Naughton to the House. I note the favourable impact her appointment will have on the gender balance within Seanad Éireann. In spite of all the media comment over the weekend, no Labour Senator defied the Labour Whip on Friday in the matter of the committees.

Darragh O'Brien (Fianna Fail)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

They did not vote.

David Norris (Independent)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

They came to an accommodation with the Whip.

Aideen Hayden (Labour)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

I am simply setting the record straight.

Darragh O'Brien (Fianna Fail)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Can the Senator explain that?

Aideen Hayden (Labour)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

No Labour Senator defied the Whip.

David Norris (Independent)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Weasel words.

Aideen Hayden (Labour)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

I am sure that Senator Norris, more than any Senator-----

Darragh O'Brien (Fianna Fail)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

In fairness, we do not care, because the Labour Party is not relevant.

Paddy Burke (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Senator Hayden should speak on today's Order of Business.

Aideen Hayden (Labour)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

I welcome the Tánaiste's comments over the weekend confirming that there would be a referendum on same-sex marriage and I understand that referendum may take place in 2014. I was personally disappointed that when the initial findings of the Constitutional Convention went to Cabinet, same-sex marriage was not one of the first items of business arising from the convention to be dealt with, in spite of support from an overwhelming majority at the convention. I welcome the commitment to it now.

I ask the Leader to arrange a debate early in the new session in September on the Constitutional Convention. I wholeheartedly support the proposal to invite the chairman of the convention, Tom Arnold, to come before the Seanad to answer Senators' questions on the workings of the convention.

Sean Barrett (Independent)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

I move an amendment to the Order of Business, that No. 11 be taken before No. 1 today.

Paddy Burke (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Senator Barrett cannot move that amendment to the Order of Business. Under Standing Order 114 the only person who can do so is the person who has tabled the motion.

David Norris (Independent)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

In that case, I would like to move it.

Paddy Burke (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Senator Norris has already spoken and cannot move the amendment today.

David Norris (Independent)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Yes, but I would like to move it anyway.

Paddy Burke (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Under Standing Order 114, the Senator cannot move that amendment today.

Darragh O'Brien (Fianna Fail)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Senator Barrett's name is on the motion.

Paddy Burke (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Only the person first named can move the amendment.

Sean Barrett (Independent)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

I thank the Cathaoirleach. I was attempting to accommodate my colleague's amnesia.

I welcome Senator Naughton to the House. I hope she has many happy and fruitful years here. I note that she is a classically trained soprano, which will be good news when the Taoiseach lights up the Christmas tree. He needs singers every Christmas. I see too that she played the part of Eliza Doolittle in My Fair Lady and won a prize. She is also recorded as having said in 2011 that the councillors in Galway had been doing the bidding of a hidden elite for 20 years. They might be useful allies when she is here, because we were saying words to that effect last week. She is most welcome and she has a superb role model to follow in Senator McAleese.

Could the Leader arrange a debate on the most important article in today's Irish Independent by Dr. Muiris MacCarthaigh from the politics department in Queen's University, in which he writes about executive accountability, and not the abolition of this House, as the key point in reforming Irish governance? The Executive is not the sole purveyor of good policy. He asks that we look at what has been happening in new legislatures in Cardiff, Belfast and Edinburgh, as we suggested here recently, and says that we need to be active rather than reactive in influencing the national policy agenda. He writes that the need to rethink how Parliament can protect and promote the public interest has never been more pressing. What we need is a new standard of parliamentary government. The power of the Executive is something which should exercise us far more because, rather like the hidden elite which our new Senator says is running Galway, there is a hidden elite running Ireland, and we need parliamentary accountability. I ask the Leader to arrange a debate on Dr. Muiris MacCarthaigh's article early in the next session.

Eamonn Coghlan (Independent)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

I too welcome Senator Naughton to the House. There have been many heated debates for several weeks.

At the same time we have been enjoying a spell of fine hot weather, with the country basking in Mediterranean temperatures between 20° and 30° Celsius. Similarly high temperatures are expected in the coming weeks. This type of heat brings with it water shortages and appeals to the public to be more conservative in their usage of that resource. The warm weather also brings certain dangers. Tragically, 11 people have lost their lives by drowning since the beginning of the hot spell. That is 11 families who have lost loved ones ranging in age from 16 to 65 years. Irish Water Safety has predicted additional deaths by drowning in the coming weeks, in quarries, lakes, rivers and open seas. I take this opportunity to offer to my condolences to the families who have lost loved ones in recent weeks.

The solution, unfortunately, is not to be found solely in teaching primary school children how to swim and partake in activities on the water safely. The answer is more to do with people's attitudes to the responsibilities that should be exercised by anybody partaking of our waterways. There must be a change in this regard. I was particularly saddened to learn that the 11th victim was Mr. Joe Grinsell from Tipperary, who drowned in a disused quarry this weekend. I was fortunate enough to be Carrick-on-Suir for the June bank holiday weekend where, together with Senator Denis Landy, I attended the Maurice Davin memorial service. During that weekend I came out of retirement to participate in a one-mile charity run in the course of which I fell into step with a young boy. As we approached the finish line, the boy was eager for us to overtake a gentleman in a tight green vest and shorts who was in front of us. I held back, however, and let the man cross the line ahead of us. When I saw the photograph of Mr. Grinsell in the newspaper today, I was very saddened to realise he was the gentleman who had crossed the line before me and my running companion. I will never forget him turning around to me at the end of the race and exclaiming that he could not wait to tell his family he had beaten a world champion. I appeal to the public to be more conscientious when using our waterways as we go on through the rest of the summer. I convey my condolences, once again, to the families who have lost loved ones.

David Cullinane (Sinn Fein)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

I welcome Senator Hildegarde Naughton to the House. I congratulate her on her new role and wish her well in the years ahead.

It is okay to admit it when one is wrong. We saw this at the weekend in the comments by Mr. Ashoka Mody, one of the architects of Ireland's bailout programme and the resulting austerity agenda under which so many people have suffered in the course of six budgets in five years. Mr. Mody acknowledged that he got it wrong, that austerity is not working in this State and that we must abandon it if we are to allow the economy to grow. He called specifically on the Government to take the opportunity for an easing of austerity in the budget this autumn. I hope the Leader will accommodate a debate on this issue. We in Sinn Féin have been saying the same as Mr. Mody for several years. Unfortunately, however, the Government has pressed on with austerity. We have had members of the Cabinet clapping themselves on the back, giving themselves an A minus on job creation and claiming they have sorted out the banks. The reality is something different. Unemployment under the Government's stewardship has fallen by only 0.7%, in a context in which 180,000 people have emigrated in the same period. When one considers the commitments the Government parties made before the election and in the action plan for jobs, its failure is particularly clear. As I said, 180,000 mostly young people have left the country because of the austerity policies pursued by this Administration. If one of the architects of the bailout programme is prepared to admit he was wrong and advise us to back off from austerity and focus instead on policies that foster growth and investment, surely the Taoiseach and the Tánaiste can do the same? We should have a debate in this House in the run-up to the budget on how we can reduce our deficit in a fairer way, which would involve imposing taxes on higher earners in our society.

Mary Moran (Labour)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

I, too, wish to welcome Senator Naughton to the House. I assure her that she will witness enjoyable and sometimes eventful debates here. I am sure she will be well up for them.

I wish to voice my concerns regarding the announcement to the effect that, from 12 August, St. John of God services in Drumcar, County Louth, will no longer be providing meals for people attending for day services on campus or from its outreach programme. As a result, meals will only be provided for those in residential care. This is a major blow to the many service users who avail of the meals currently available at Drumcar. I intend to raise this matter on the Adjournment but I call on the Leader to make time available for a debate on the issue of funding for service providers such as that to which I refer.

I discovered this morning that €25 million was allocated to St. John of God north-east services. It is estimated that the withdrawal of meals will lead to savings of approximately €380,000. That is nothing when one considers the needs of the people who avail of such meals, and the services in general, at present. I have been contacted by parents, siblings and family members since the news of this development was broken to people on Friday morning last via a letter. These individuals have pointed out that nutrition is not the issue but rather that there are many people who rely on the meals provided by St. John of God services as their main meal of the day. Will the Leader arrange for a debate on this matter early in the next session?

Marie Louise O'Donnell (Independent)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

On behalf of the Taoiseach's nominees, myself and Senators van Turnhout, Zappone, Mac Conghail and Mary Ann O'Brien, I welcome Senator Hildegarde Naughton. Hildegarde is a great name. It is romantic like mine, Marie-Louise. I have taken an immediate liking to the Senator, who is from the west. Despite the sense of impending doom and discussion of abolition and the building of senatorial guillotines, I hope the next two and a half years will be everything the Senator wants them to be for herself and her party.

Pat O'Neill (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

I also welcome Senator Naughton. I remind Senator Norris that the decision taken by Senator Naughton when she was chair of Galway City Council was a democratic one. That decision was the same as any which the Cathaoirleach might make and by which we might be guided.

David Norris (Independent)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Perhaps I might-----

Paddy Burke (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Does Senator O'Neill have a question for the Leader?

Pat O'Neill (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Yes, I do.

David Norris (Independent)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

A mistake was made. Head office was involved.

Pat O'Neill (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

As Senator Eamonn Coghlan stated, we are in the midst of a spell of unprecedented weather. I offer my condolences to the families of the people who were tragically drowned in recent days. It is important that we should engage in a debate on this matter. However, the Leader should also ask the Minister for Education and Skills to ensure that swimming and water safety and awareness lessons will be included on the primary and post-primary curricula as a matter of urgency. The Road Safety Authority is responsible for running national road safety campaigns. However, as a result of the absence of good weather, there has not been a water safety campaign for many years. The Leader should encourage the Minister for Education and Skills and his Department to put a programme in place to educate people. There are designated swimming areas on our rivers and lakes and at our beaches. However, as Senator Eamonn Coghlan pointed out, people are taking unprecedented risks by swimming outside these areas.

It is important to get a message across to the effect that people are not always safe when they are in the water. I acknowledge the tremendous work done by Irish Water Safety in educating members of the public and keeping them up do date and informed. However, lifesaving skills should not be learned as a result of luck and nor should they depend on where one lives or the school one attends. Learning such skills should be part of every child's education. They are not called "lifesaving skills" without reason.

Denis O'Donovan (Fianna Fail)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

I also wish to offer my congratulations to Senator Naughton and to welcome her to the House. I wish her every success and I hope she will enjoy many pleasant days here. As a former Taoiseach's appointee - I was first appointed in 1989 - I can inform her that have had many enjoyable years as a Member of the Seanad. I hope the Senator will be here for as long as I have been and that she will enjoy her time in the House as much as I have done.

I second Senator Darragh O'Brien's amendment to the Order of Business. As Chairman of the Committee of Selection, I wish to express my concern about a particular matter.

I ask the Leader that in the cold light of day, perhaps when the House resumes in September, Members might re-examine the position vis-à-visthe Committee of Selection and the Committee on Procedure and Privileges. The power of the Committee of Selection has been usurped and its functions set aside and one must sincerely ask whether it is required at all in the future, if a special amendment or resolution forced through after the Order of Business can either eject people from or place them on committees? If this is the case, I will be quite happy for the committee I chair to be put into the long grass and forgotten about. However, there is concern in this regard and what happened was inappropriate and unnecessary because the Committee of Selection could have convened fairly promptly. Were it not for Senator Kelly's refusal of or reneging on the offer made to him out of loyalty to his former Labour Party colleague, Senator Heffernan, I would not even be speaking today, as it would have been a fait accompli. However, I have concerns in this regard and while I not wish to be adversarial and it is not a task for today, I ask the Leader that over the summer months, Members should reflect on the committee's function and whether it is required or necessary. If not, perhaps the committee I chair should be disbanded.

John Gilroy (Labour)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

I also welcome Senator Naughton to the House and assure her the fine, nice and sincere words from Sinn Féin will be the last time Members of that party will ever say anything nice about her or about anyone else. I support the call by my colleague, Senator Cullinane, for a full debate at the earliest stage on economic policy and the budget, with particular reference to the comments made by a former IMF official during the week. It always disappoints me to hear those Senators and parties that claim to be more patriotic than the rest of us always harping onto the most negative and contrarian view in support of their own position, as well as so doing with a certain amount of gusto and enthusiasm. Only 18 months ago, that party was stating it would run the very same man out of the country. However, now that he happens to have made a comment that might be sympathetic to a position Sinn Féin has been holding, he is its new hero. Consistency is never a streak or trait one could associate with the Sinn Féin position. The position of Sinn Féin of course always has been to burn the bondholders, to vote against the European Union and to vote against the fiscal treaty. Were we to follow the advice of Sinn Féin on any of those areas, Ireland would now be somewhere north or south of the neolithic financial age.

Rónán Mullen (Independent)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

I also wish to be associated with the welcomes to Senator Hildegarde Naughton. While I hope she will be the last of the Taoiseach's appointees to the Seanad, I hope she will not be the last new Senator and that there will be a future with a more democratically-elected Seanad. It is no reflection on Senator Naughton's abilities and nor does it lessen my welcome to her that her appointment inevitably will be perceived as an act of political vindictiveness on the part of the Taoiseach and more particularly, will be perceived as misusing the Seanad to pursue-----

Marie Louise O'Donnell (Independent)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Point of order.

Rónán Mullen (Independent)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

-----the internal politics of Fine Gael.

Paddy Burke (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Senator, that was uncalled for.

David Norris (Independent)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

He is absolutely right.

Paddy Burke (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Senator Mullen, have you a question for the Leader?

Marie Louise O'Donnell (Independent)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

On a point of order-----

Paddy Burke (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Does Senator Mullen have a question for the Leader on today's Order of Business?

Rónán Mullen (Independent)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Yes, I ask the Leader-----

Marie Louise O'Donnell (Independent)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

-----if one wants an example of vindictiveness, Members are listening to it.

Paddy Burke (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Senator Mullen, it is the Taoiseach's prerogative to nominate people to this Chamber.

Rónán Mullen (Independent)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Does the Leader agree with me-----

David Norris (Independent)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

It is one he has denounced in public and he is now showing himself to be a complete hypocrite-----

Paddy Burke (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Senator Norris, resume your seat. You have spoken already.

David Norris (Independent)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

-----as I am sure the Cathaoirleach will agree.

Paddy Burke (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Senator Mullen, have you a question for the Leader?

Rónán Mullen (Independent)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Yes. Does the Leader agree with me that despite Senator Naughton's excellent qualities and the welcome to which she undoubtedly is entitled, her appointment is intended as a slap to two serving Members of the Oireachtas-----

Marie Louise O'Donnell (Independent)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

On a point of order, Members are now listening-----

Rónán Mullen (Independent)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

-----who have shown-----

Paddy Burke (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Senator O'Donnell, on a point of order.

Marie Louise O'Donnell (Independent)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Members now are listening to Senator Rónán Mullen's idea of where facts begin and end.

Paddy Burke (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Senator, on your point of order.

Marie Louise O'Donnell (Independent)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

I do not want to listen to him.

Paddy Burke (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Senator, what is your point of order?

David Norris (Independent)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Is the Senator suffering from a speech defect?

Marie Louise O'Donnell (Independent)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

That was the point of order. I am not going to be subject to-----

Paddy Burke (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Resume your seat please. Senator Mullen.

Marie Louise O'Donnell (Independent)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

-----how he describes facts.

Paddy Burke (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Senator Mullen, a question for the Leader please, on today's Order of Business.

Rónán Mullen (Independent)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Thank you. I wish to complete my question and ask the Leader whether, despite Senator Naughton's undoubted merits and the welcome to which she undoubtedly is entitled-----

Lorraine Higgins (Labour)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Hear, hear.

Rónán Mullen (Independent)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

-----her appointment will be perceived as an act of vindictiveness towards two serving Members of the Oireachtas-----

Paddy Burke (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

What has that to do with the Order of Business?

Rónán Mullen (Independent)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

-----from west Galway who, in recent weeks, have shown more courage and integrity than the entire Cabinet put together.

Caít Keane (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Ba mhaith liom fíorfháilte a chur roimh an Seanadóir Hildegarde Naughton. Bhí sé ar intinn agam na focail breátha a chuala muid ón Seanadóir Leyden a rá. Gabhaim míle buíochas leis. Tá súil agam go mbeidh focail fíordheasa le rá ag Sinn Féin, go mórmhór an Seanadóir Ó Clochartaigh, a thagann as Gaillimh cosúil liom féin. Tá mé i mo cónaí i mBaile Átha Cliath anois. Cuirim fáilte romhat, a Hildegarde.

I wish to talk today about child care because of a report that has been issued. It is really a continuation of the ESRI's report. It is a very valuable report on which work has been ongoing for six years. The second tranche of the report, the ESRI report, has demonstrated that qualifications in centre-based child care are relatively low. I compliment the Minister for Children and Youth Affairs, Deputy Frances Fitzgerald, because she announced last month that she is taking steps to intervene in this regard to ensure qualifications will be enhanced. Today, I ask for a pre-budget debate on child care because it will be too late to have it after the budget. Obviously, we cannot do anything without money. Money speaks but one does not need money to do everything. The Minister has demonstrated that in her innovative ideas since she entered office. According to the ERSI's findings, women more privileged in terms of income and education were more likely to take additional unpaid leave after their children were born. The Minister is implementing a targeted early-intervention programme for the disadvantaged. We have found out that 14% of children who end up in care do so because of family drug problems. Therefore, the whole family support system, and not just child care, must be debated before the budget.

Fidelma Healy Eames (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

I am very happy to welcome Hildegarde to the Chamber. She is very welcome. We go back a bit. Her dad was very good to me. He was my mentor in politics when I started. In 2007, when I was elected to this Chamber, I had six men seeking my co-option and I approached Hildegarde and asked her whether she would be interested. Since then she has been a very fine public representative locally. Oranmore will not know what hit it with two of us here. It is not an easy week to be starting here, despite the comments of others. There is an abortion Bill and Seanad abolition legislation. Having said that, I wish the Senator very well and look forward to her contributions.

Terry Leyden (Fianna Fail)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

That is very generous, as I would expect.

Rónán Mullen (Independent)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

As I would expect.

Terry Leyden (Fianna Fail)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Meryl Streep would not do as good.

Fidelma Healy Eames (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

I am conscious that we are coming very close to the end of the term.

Paddy Burke (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Has the Senator a question for the Leader?

Fidelma Healy Eames (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

I have. The Leader will recall that I asked the Leader last week to bring to the House a statement by the Minister for Education and Skills on the future of education for children with Down's syndrome. Many parents are very concerned. The date 1 September, during the recess, will be here before we know it. We are looking for a level playing field for the children. Their parents are extremely anxious about the lack of resource teaching hours. It would be superb,and parents in every county and I would be grateful, if the Leader brought to the House by Wednesday a statement by the Minister for Education and Skills. I look forward to that.

Jimmy Harte (Labour)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

I, too, welcome Senator Naughton to the House on her first day. I am very put out by the remarks of my colleague who tried to demean her position as a new Senator. Her appointment was a constitutional function of the Taoiseach.

David Norris (Independent)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

He is not respecting the Constitution; that is the problem.

Paddy Burke (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Has Senator Harte a question for the Leader?

Jimmy Harte (Labour)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

On a day like this, Members should be welcomed without any conditions.

David Norris (Independent)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

I never thought that and I have never behaved in that way. It is a bit late to start expecting me to do so now.

Paddy Burke (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Senator Norris.

David Norris (Independent)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

I tell the truth.

Paddy Burke (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Senator Norris, please. Some 33 Senators have indicated they wish to speak on the Order of Business today. It is obvious everyone will not get in. I ask Senator Harte to be brief with no interruptions.

David Norris (Independent)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

The Senator made comments and I wanted to reply to them.

Jimmy Harte (Labour)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

I resent the statements coming from the other side of the House that conscience and courage only exist over there. Conscience and courage exist everywhere but it is much easier for people------

Paddy Burke (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Does the Senator have a question for the Leader?

Darragh O'Brien (Fianna Fail)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Does the Senator realise he cannot make a statement on the Order of Business? He must put a question to the Leader.

Jimmy Harte (Labour)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

We are told conscience and courage only exist on one certain side of the House and with one certain viewpoint. It is much more difficult on this side of the House to vote for the protection of life legislation after the abuse given in e-mails and telephone calls, as well as intimidation outside the House at workplaces and at homes with door-stepping. The courage is over here, not over there. Senators should reflect on it.

Paddy Burke (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Does the Senator have a question for the Leader?

David Norris (Independent)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Having gone through that for 30 years, I know something about it.

Jimmy Harte (Labour)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

For anyone to claim they have courage beyond-----

Paddy Burke (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Does the Senator have a question for the Leader?

Jimmy Harte (Labour)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

He can save these points for the Bill later. They are not relevant to the Order of Business.

Paddy Burke (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Senator Harte is out of time. I call Senator Byrne.

Thomas Byrne (Fianna Fail)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

I want to give an unqualified welcome to Senator Naughton today. It must be a happy day for her. I remember my first day in the Oireachtas, some six years ago, and it was a lovely sunny day like today. It is an addition to the House to have the former mayor of a major city as a Member, like Senator Cummins and others. I hope she will put her experience to good use in the House. Go n-éirí leat.

The Whips should come to a compromise over the summer on guillotines and legislation. It is in the Government’s interest in certain circumstances to push through legislation within a certain timeframe. While it is understandable at certain times, many times all the amendments or sections on Committee Stage are not reached. It is unacceptable for a parliament to do this. There must be a middle ground. Will the Whips examine a time limit allocated to every section and amendment that could be agreed in advance in respect of each Bill, particularly the controversial ones such as the protection of life Bill last week and the property tax legislation before Christmas? If an agreement cannot be reached between the Whips, the Government can impose some limits. However, it should ensure all sections and amendments would be disposed of properly. We have to think of this with a bit of fairness to both sides as well.

Martin Conway (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

I welcome my friend and colleague, Senator Naughton, to the House. She will be a fantastic addition to Seanad Éireann. She is a recent mayor of Galway city, a city that is thriving and extremely successful. If she can bring her experience as a former mayor of that city to this House, she will do a great number of years’ service to Seanad Éireann. It is fantastic to see another representative from the west. Not alone will she articulate the views of the west very strongly, she will articulate the views of Ireland strongly.

This weekend has been one of contradictions. We had the fantastic weather, as well as Riverdance breaking records again, as it has done nationally and internationally. We also have had tragedies on our waters. Last week, I called for water safety awareness and training to become mandatory in primary schools. I noted over the past several days that Irish Water Safety also said this should happen. Education and appreciation of our water is critical among our young people. I commend the swimming pools, particularly in rural areas, that stay open in winter and summer to provide critical swimming lessons and training, as well as water awareness to young people. Will the Leader organise a debate in September with the relevant Minister on the issue of water safety?

Mary Ann O'Brien (Independent)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

I welcome Senator Naughton to the Seanad and am delighted to have her on board. I echo my female colleagues in saying girl power is good and the men adore us, of course. We are working with the issue of pregnancy at the moment and a risk to the mother's life and we are working with the unborn.

In respect of the born children of our country, I ask the Leader to organise a debate with the Minister for Communications, Energy and Natural Resources when we come back from our rest in summer as to whether pornography is poisoning our children's minds. We are allowing our children to see material that a decade ago would have been accessible only in an extreme fetish club. If people do not believe me, they should type youporn or redtube into Google and see the options that come up. The effect on children is devastating. They think these gross scenes are normal and set out to copy them as they take their first steps in getting together with other people in sexual activity. I never thought I would stand up in the Irish Seanad and feel nostalgic for Hustler, Penthouseor Playboybut we must now admit that we must think of them as part of the good old days. What can be done? We must warn our children that they are likely to come across pornography but also warn them that it is not what most of us think of as sex. I will not go much further. Twice in the past couple of days and over the weekend, we have seen that the Minister has come out and said he will not force Web forums to block pornography. Half of the children in this country have access to a smartphone and all of them have access to a computer. Let us not pretend for one minute that we all know what they are looking at. I ask all Members to join me in asking the Leader for a debate on this issue to ask the Minister why he is not forcing the Web firms to block pornography to our children.

Lorraine Higgins (Labour)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Like my colleagues, I also welcome Senator Naughten to the House. It is great to see the Galway contingent within the Oireachtas growing. I can firmly attest that she served the city of Galway brilliantly during her term as mayor and as a city councillor. It is great to see more young female politicians in the House. I wish her the best in the remainder of her term here.

I wish to raise an issue that needs to be addressed by this Government when it comes to cash cows and the medical profession. I am led to believe that some time ago doctors negotiated a fee of €150 per prescription to dispense methadone to people who need it. I think we would all agree in this Chamber that this is a lot of money but what is even more outrageous is the fact that the amount remains the same for a repeat prescription. We must be mindful that Ireland has one of the highest numbers of heroin addiction cases per capita in Europe with between 8,000 and 10,000 methadone recipients in the State. Despite public perception of heroin abuse, it has become a very real problem in rural Ireland, affecting small towns and villages. In my own constituency of Galway, 131 individuals throughout the county subscribe to a methadone programme. The idea that doctors who provide a valuable service to the State and its citizens have negotiated a fee per prescription of this amount in the current economic climate is opportunistic in the extreme. It is quite clearly a large fee earner for GPs and the worst kind of money spinner. By allowing the situation to continue, we are permitting a situation where a prescription is more expensive than the product, which is ludicrous. Something needs to be done about this. I ask the relevant Ministers, including the Minister for Health, to come to the House to debate medical costs in this situation.

Trevor Ó Clochartaigh (Sinn Fein)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Ach an oiread le mo chomhghleacaithe, ba mhaith liom fíor chaoin fáilte a chur roimh an Seanadóir Hildegarde Naughton. Tá a ceapachán suntasach ar chúpla bealach, is bean í, is Gaillimheach í agus is Gaeilgeoir í. Tá mé cinnte go mbeidh sí ag tacú linn ó thaobh chur chun cinn na Gaeilge.

I note the importance that the Government places on Galway. We are now in second place behind Dublin in terms of representation in this House by my count because I am claiming Senators Keane and Mullen as Gaillimhe. That is a very welcome addition. I will call for a debate, as I have done on a few occasions, on traffic in Galway. The Leader told me previously that Senator Naughten as mayor of Galway would solve the problem for us and certainly go a long way towards doing that but it has not been completely solved and is still a major issue. We are seeing it at the moment with the Galway Arts Festival and the races coming up. There are national issues there. Perhaps in the autumn we could have a series of regional development debates taking in particular regions and infrastructure and job creation issues. Cuirim fáilte roimh an Seanadóir Naughton agus táim cinnte go ndéanfaidh sí fíor jab.

Catherine Noone (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

I congratulate and welcome Senator Naughton to the House and wish her well. This is an exciting day for her on a personal level. I join with those colleagues who have welcomed the fact that she is another young, west of Ireland woman in the House.

A proposal to be tabled by the European Commission on Wednesday would see a Europe-wide cap imposed on banking card fees of between 0.2% and 0.3% of a given transaction. This proposal has been welcomed by consumers and businesses alike, many of whom believe that fees can often be a barrier to trade. The proposal, which would update the payment services directive, is necessary following a judgment by the European Court of Justice that imposes limits on the fees that can be applied by Visa Europe. As such, the proposal is a practical review and will allow solutions to be reached. I am glad that Europe is once again proposing smart regulations that will make consumers' lives better.

Ned O'Sullivan (Fianna Fail)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

I wish to issue an unqualified and unreserved congratulations to Senator Naughton. I have heard much about her. She is thought of highly in local authority circles, particularly in Galway. It is a proud day for her and her family. There should be no more about it, as there are political considerations in everything that happens here. I am delighted to find out that she is a trained soprano. For a long time, I have been searching for someone to do a duet with the Leader. As we all know, he is an accomplished baritone.

David Norris (Independent)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Name that tune.

Rónán Mullen (Independent)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

It is an offer that she cannot refuse.

Ned O'Sullivan (Fianna Fail)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Given the importance of the issue on which we have tabled our amendment - that is, the constitutional arrangements for selections - our leader has deferred mentioning the appalling revelations about the Taoiseach. We cannot let the day go by without mentioning them, as people on the street are discussing them. When I spoke with people at football matches yesterday, we did not discuss the abolition of the Seanad nor the abortion legislation. We discussed the Taoiseach. He has been caught. His hand is in the till.

Marie Louise O'Donnell (Independent)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Stop.

Michael Mullins (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Fairy tales.

Ned O'Sullivan (Fianna Fail)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

He has been caught.

Paddy Burke (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Has the Senator a question for the Leader?

Ned O'Sullivan (Fianna Fail)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Is there any possibility that the Leader will arrange for the Taoiseach to attend this House in the dying days of the term to explain-----

Marie Louise O'Donnell (Independent)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

I hope the Senator can back up those allegations.

Paddy Burke (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Senator O'Sullivan without interruption.

Ned O'Sullivan (Fianna Fail)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

-----exactly what he meant by the "axis of collusion".

John Gilroy (Labour)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

The Senator means for the Taoiseach to explain himself to Fianna Fáil.

Paddy Burke (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Senator O'Sullivan without interruption.

Ned O'Sullivan (Fianna Fail)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Without interruption, I hope. I keep getting interrupted-----

John Gilroy (Labour)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

This is a joke.

Paddy Burke (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Has Senator O'Sullivan a question for the Leader?

Ned O'Sullivan (Fianna Fail)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

-----by the not-so-Independent, quasi-Fine Gael group. The Leader should ask the Taoiseach to explain himself to the Seanad.

Marc MacSharry (Fianna Fail)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Hear, hear.

Marie Louise O'Donnell (Independent)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

On a point of order-----

Ned O'Sullivan (Fianna Fail)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Independent Fine Gael.

Paddy Burke (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

What is the point of order?

Brian Ó Domhnaill (Fianna Fail)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

This is the Senator's 16th point of order.

Paddy Burke (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Senator O'Donnell on a point of order. I hope she is not wasting time on the Order of Business.

Marie Louise O'Donnell (Independent)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Will Senator O'Sullivan take that back? The Taoiseach does not have his hand in any till. To what till was the Senator referring?

Paddy Burke (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Has Senator O'Donnell a point of order?

Marie Louise O'Donnell (Independent)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Yes, I do. I would like the Senator to retract his-----

Paddy Burke (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

What is it?

Marie Louise O'Donnell (Independent)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

I am trying to tell you. I would like the Senator to explain exactly what till he believes the Taoiseach has his hand in. That was quite an accusation.

John Gilroy (Labour)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

It is.

Darragh O'Brien (Fianna Fail)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

On a point of order, would-----

Marie Louise O'Donnell (Independent)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

No, excuse me. Would Senator O'Sullivan please answer that?

Ned O'Sullivan (Fianna Fail)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

I am happy to answer the Leader. Every schoolboy knows the expression.

Paddy Burke (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Senator O'Sullivan has spoken already.

Ned O'Sullivan (Fianna Fail)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

If one's hand is in the till, it means one has been caught red-handed doing something.

Darragh O'Brien (Fianna Fail)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

On a point of order, the Seanad office should give Senator O'Donnell a copy of the Standing Orders-----

Paddy Burke (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

That is not a point of order.

Darragh O'Brien (Fianna Fail)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

-----to stop her raising points of order every time. She should read them to understand the procedures of this House.

Michael Mullins (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

It is a pleasure to welcome Senator Naughton. I congratulate her on her appointment by the Taoiseach. It is a wonderful day for her and her family. Her family is steeped in politics. Although she has not been involved for that long, she has made a significant mark on Galway politics, particularly as mayor of Galway city in recent years. She is well known in the city as a teacher and on the musical scene. As other Senators have stated, she has made a significant contribution to cultural life in Galway city.

Rónán Mullen (Independent)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Do not forget her distinguished in-laws.

Michael Mullins (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

She will have a long and distinguished career.

Perhaps some of those advocating reform of the Seanad might consider as one of the options decentralising to Galway, as there are now so many Members from Galway.

Rónán Mullen (Independent)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Hear, hear, I would support that.

Paddy Burke (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Is there a question for the Leader?

Michael Mullins (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

I take the opportunity to welcome the announcement today by a Minister of State, Deputy Jan O'Sullivan, of €50 million for local authority housing under the energy efficiency programme, with €10 million spent this year to help upgrade 5,000 homes. This will help many families suffering fuel poverty, improving the quality of homes and reducing carbon emissions and the heating bills of many stretched families. I hope the €50 million will be spent over the next three years and a total of approximately 25,000 homes will benefit. I am pleased that €400,000 will be spent in Galway city and county, with 1,000 jobs nationwide provided in the private sector and in some community-based organisations. I ask the Leader for a debate at some time in the autumn on the standard and quality of local authority housing and how we might best proceed with further investment in the area.

Brian Ó Domhnaill (Fianna Fail)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Ba mhaith liom fosta tréaslú leis an tSeanadóir úr, an Seanadóir Hildegarde Naughton, agus gach rath a ghuí uirthi ina ról úr mar Sheanadóir. It is a great honour to be nominated by the Taoiseach to the Seanad, and the action sends out a clear message from the Taoiseach. He believes the Senator has a great political future and that it can be developed in Seanad Éireann. It is somewhat disingenuous of the same Taoiseach to try to get rid of the same House he is trying to use to advocate political advancement.

Darragh O'Brien (Fianna Fail)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Hear, hear.

Brian Ó Domhnaill (Fianna Fail)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

I wish the Senator well in her political career and advancement.

I agree with Senator Ned O'Sullivan with regard to the comments emerging yesterday surrounding the collusion or "conversations" between the Taoiseach and very senior people in Anglo Irish Bank. The Taoiseach referred to the axis of collusion between builders and Anglo Irish Bank and other bankers, and now Enda is caught in the middle of that axis of collusion.

John Gilroy (Labour)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Has the Senator something to say?

Paddy Burke (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Senator Ó Domhnaill, without interruption. A number of Senators have yet to speak.

Brian Ó Domhnaill (Fianna Fail)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

There is a very serious issue.

Paddy Burke (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Is there a question for the Leader?

Darragh O'Brien (Fianna Fail)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

He is trying to speak.

John Gilroy (Labour)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

He has nothing sensible to say.

Brian Ó Domhnaill (Fianna Fail)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Senator Gilroy was-----

Paddy Burke (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Could we have a question for the Leader?

Brian Ó Domhnaill (Fianna Fail)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

-----weighing in last week and he is continuing this week.

Paddy Burke (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Is there a question?

Brian Ó Domhnaill (Fianna Fail)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

There is a very serious-----

Paddy Burke (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Could we have ciúnas in the Chamber?

Brian Ó Domhnaill (Fianna Fail)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

There is a very serious issue for the Oireachtas and there were questions of an independent report on banking to be carried by the Houses of the Oireachtas. That is compromised because of the involvement of the Taoiseach.

Paddy Burke (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Do you have a question for the Leader?

Brian Ó Domhnaill (Fianna Fail)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

We need a full criminal investigation-----

David Norris (Independent)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Hear, hear.

Brian Ó Domhnaill (Fianna Fail)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

-----and I want to hear what the Leader has to say on it. We will raise the matter again tomorrow.

Paul Coghlan (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

I join with all colleagues from every side in extending a very warm welcome to the newest Member, Senator Hildegarde Naughton, and I wish her every success in future. I respectfully say to my good friend and colleague opposite, Senator O'Brien - whose comments were taken up by acolytes in the form of my good friend, Senator O'Sullivan, and Senator Ó Domhnaill and others-----

Ned O'Sullivan (Fianna Fail)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

I have not been called that since I was an altar boy.

Paul Coghlan (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

The story about the Taoiseach must be the greatest non-story of all time.

Darragh O'Brien (Fianna Fail)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

How does the Senator know?

Paul Coghlan (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

I will tell the Senators how I know.

David Norris (Independent)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Answering questions in Irish.

Paddy Burke (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Does the Senator have a question for the Leader?

Darragh O'Brien (Fianna Fail)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

We will not bother with an inquiry.

Paul Coghlan (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

I have but I want to put this to the Leader of the Opposition. We were all talking to bankers at the time and damn all good it did us. We were trying to discern something of the truth-----

Darragh O'Brien (Fianna Fail)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

You will be hauled-----

Paul Coghlan (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

-----and all we got for our trouble were porkies.

Darragh O'Brien (Fianna Fail)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

-----in front of the Taoiseach.

Paul Coghlan (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

The only people in the loop at that stage was the Government of the day.

Brian Ó Domhnaill (Fianna Fail)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

And the Leader of the Opposition.

Paul Coghlan (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

No.

Brian Ó Domhnaill (Fianna Fail)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

He is compromised.

Paddy Burke (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Is there a question for the Leader?

Paul Coghlan (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

It is self-evident. Those comments may rebound on the Senators. The suggestion from Senator Byrne has merit and I look forward to taking up the matter with the other Whips. I am sure the Leader would agree that if we can explore ways of doing our business better, we should of course do it.

Marc MacSharry (Fianna Fail)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

I join with others in welcoming Senator Naughton to the House and I wish her well.

The person who has provided the ticket to this particular ship believes that it is the Titanic, but we all hope that it will continue like the Olympicfor many years to come. We wish Senator Naughton well.

If extra days were provided this week, I would not mind postponing any holiday plan that has been made. Some weeks ago, I called for a criminal investigation into Anglo Irish Bank. As Fianna Fáil's spokesman on finance on the other side of the House during the period in question, I was never briefed by Anglo Irish Bank. If any criminal investigation were to be held, I would happily speak with it. The Taoiseach should be prepared to do the same. It is disingenuous in the extreme, given the manipulation of democracy by way of rigging a situation that will effectively guarantee the abolition of this House. Democracy was affronted last week by the way in which Government Senators needed to intervene to save the democratically elected positions of people from all parties and none who had made excellent contributions on Oireachtas committees.

If criminal issues are to be answered, be they in respect of the allocation of mobile telephone licences or discussions with bankers, let me say it loud and clear - the full rigour of the law should be applied regardless of whether the people in question are from Fianna Fáil, Fine Gael, Labour or Sinn Féin. That man who I had another word for in recent weeks should make himself available to this House to answer some questions. Frankly, it is understandable why people might feel that his hand was in the till.

Brian Ó Domhnaill (Fianna Fail)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Hear, hear.

Paddy Burke (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

I call Senator Burke.

David Cullinane (Sinn Fein)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

What of the public interest directors?

Paddy Burke (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Senator Burke without interruption.

Colm Burke (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

I welcome Senator Naughton to the House. Speaking as someone who joined Cork City Council and the European Parliament half way through their terms, one can get double the amount of work done in that time. The Senator will find that her colleagues will provide as much help as possible. I look forward to giving her every possible assistance during her time in the Seanad.

I welcome last Friday's statement by the Institute of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists. That clarification was issued to allay the public's fears stemming from a great deal of inaccurate information that was provided during the Seanad's debate last week. I thank the institute for issuing its statement and for putting the correct information into the public domain.

Professor Andrew Green has raised a medical issue concerning the outsourcing of certain testing by the HSE. Professor Green is the director of the National Centre for Medical Genetics and has questioned the services being engaged from companies abroad. We should debate this issue during our next term. There could be jobs in Ireland, but we are sending work abroad.

James Heffernan (Labour)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

I congratulate the Cathaoirleach, a Mayo man, on his win at the weekend. It was a proud day for everyone in London's GAA circles who have done a great deal of work down the years. It is good to see that work bearing some fruit. The situation is a good indication of the size of our diaspora, given the fact that a team can return and compete with the best. This strengthens the argument for voting rights to be provided to such people.

I join colleagues in welcoming Senator Naughton to the House. It is a proud day for her and her family and I hope that she enjoys it. However, it raises questions about why the Taoiseach would bother appointing someone to a House that he seems adamant about abolishing.

I wish to refer to scenes in the Chamber last week when Standing Orders were suspended. Normally, they are only suspended at a time of national emergency. What transpired last week did not constitute a national emergency.

Marc MacSharry (Fianna Fail)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Hear, hear.

Paddy Burke (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Has Senator Heffernan a question for the Leader?

James Heffernan (Labour)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Yes. I thank my comrade, Senator Kelly, for his principled stand.

David Norris (Independent)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Hear, hear.

James Heffernan (Labour)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

I also thank other Labour Party comrades who abstained from the vote.

Loyalty and friendship in politics can be very fickle at times and as genuine friendship is rare, I thank them for it. Is the underhand and deceitful way in which it took place right? Is it also right that Standing Orders of this House can be set aside in such a fashion by the Government to enable it to stick the boot into those who disagree with it on points of principle? I support the proposed amendment to the Order of Business. This move shows a blatant disregard for the functions of democracy and this House, about which serious questions must be answered.

Terry Brennan (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Ba mhaith liom freisin fáilte a chur roimh an Seanadóir Hildegarde Naughten go dtí an Seanad. Lá stairiúil atá ann don Seanadóir agus dá clann.

I support the call made by my colleague, Senator Mary Moran, on St. Mary's, Drumcar, County Louth, where on Friday last parents were advised that lunches would no longer be provided for day patients. It came as a bombshell to parents. These young adults, men and women, need a lunch in the middle of the day. Some of them are collected from home at 7.30 a.m. and return home at 4 p.m. and they are being asked to bring a lunch box with them. It would not be substantial enough as they need a good meal in the middle of the day. I call on the Minister for Health and the director of services at St. Mary's, Drumcar, to explain what can be done, if anything, and reconsider on the issue. These are most vulnerable individuals who are again being targeted.

Labhrás Ó Murchú (Fianna Fail)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Cuirim fáilte roimh an Seanadóir nua. Tá súil agam go mbainfidh sí tairbhe agus taitneamh as a ballraíocht anseo.

Last week we touched on the issue of the Orange Order protests in the North. The Leader responded comprehensively, but after the recess he might consider giving us an opportunity to engage with the Orange Order in this House. Most people are aware of how fragile the peace process can be at times. We saw it with the flags protest and see it again during the marching season. I am convinced that dialogue can be exceptionally helpful. There is nothing to be gained from provocation or confrontation. When we saw a difficulty arising from the incarceration of Marian Price, an all-party group from the Seanad and the Dáil met the appropriate people on several occasions and, subsequently, the British ambassador came here to meet us, which I would like to acknowledge. A short time later Marian Price was released. We have visited Maghaberry Prison where we have dealt with not only Republican prisoners but also loyalist prisoners, which is important. If dialogue, perhaps with the help of the Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs and Trade, was opened quietly and with a low profile, there is a possibility we could bring a further commitment to the peace process by all of the people of Northern Ireland. I would not like to think we were taking our eye off the ball and believing everything was fixed and settled. It only takes something small to reignite the difficulties. Perhaps the Leader might convey these views to the Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs and Trade in the hope we could have engagement on the matter.

Michael D'Arcy (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

I refer to the deployment of members of the Defence Forces to Syria. I am amazed that it happened in this manner and that there has been no comment. The Syrian conflict is perhaps the most vicious this century and we are asking members of the Defence Forces to go into an area in which there will be urban terrorist warfare.

I am astonished that it has hardly been commented on in this House, the other House or the media. I have been told that it has been passed by the Cabinet and that it is imminent. I ask the Leader to give Senators an opportunity before this House goes into recess to ask the Minister for Defence to come to explain the rationale for this deployment. I am concerned about the decision to send the finest Irish troops into such a deadly warzone. In the context of another issue that has been raised, every citizen of this country knows which party fumbled in the greasy till.

Maurice Cummins (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

I am glad that the sun has given a great deal of energy and vigour to the Members of the House. It is now 3.45 p.m. and we are still on the Order of Business. I do not propose to accept the amendment to the Order of Business proposed by Senators Darragh O'Brien and James Heffernan.

Senator Darragh O'Brien asked whether the Taoiseach would come to the House this week. I cannot confirm that he will be coming for the Report Stage debate on the Bill mentioned by the Senator.

Darragh O'Brien (Fianna Fail)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Has the Leader said the Taoiseach will be coming?

Maurice Cummins (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

I remind Senators Darragh O'Brien, Brian Ó Domhnaill, Ned O'Sullivan and Marc MacSharry that Fianna Fáil was in government when Anglo Irish Bank was at its height. It managed to bring down the entire banking and financial system.

Darragh O'Brien (Fianna Fail)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Your man was around at the back door telling them everything that was going on.

Brian Ó Domhnaill (Fianna Fail)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

We should have a criminal investigation then.

Maurice Cummins (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

We need all of the explanations from Fianna Fáil.

Marc MacSharry (Fianna Fail)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

The Leader of the Opposition was feeding the beast by speaking to his buddy in Castlebar.

Maurice Cummins (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Fianna Fáil is in no position to ask questions of anybody about this-----

Marc MacSharry (Fianna Fail)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

The Government should bring in the Garda Commissioner and have a criminal investigation.

Maurice Cummins (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

----and certainly to remark on hypocrisy in that regard.

Marc MacSharry (Fianna Fail)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Bring in the Garda Commissioner-----

Paddy Burke (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Please, can we hear the Leader without interruption?

Marc MacSharry (Fianna Fail)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

-----and talk to him about the mobile phones.

Maurice Cummins (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Senator Ivana Bacik called for a pre-budget debate. We will certainly try to arrange such a debate. The Senator also asked about the attachment of earnings and fines Bill which will be brought before us in the autumn. I am surprised the Bill does not provide for an attachment of earnings to be imposed on a person who is on social welfare. That is a personal comment on my part. I am sure we will address these points when we deal with the Bill in the autumn.

Paschal Mooney (Fianna Fail)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Perhaps it cannot be done for legal reasons.

Maurice Cummins (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Senator David Norris asked about the ruling out of amendments, which is a matter for the Chair. We all accept the rulings of the Chair.

David Norris (Independent)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

No, I do not.

Maurice Cummins (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Most Members generously welcomed our new Senator, Hildegarde Naughton. I should have referred to her appointment at the beginning of my response. It is a proud day for her, her family and party. I am sure she will do an excellent job, as she has done on the local authority, as Mayor of Galway and during her years as a representative of the people of Galway. I am sure she will be a tremendous asset to the House.

I note Senator Aideen Hayden's comments about the referendum on same-sex marriage. I can inform her that an invitation has been issued to the chairman of the Constitutional Convention to report to this House on the convention's work to date. I hope that invitation will be accepted and that Mr. Arnold will address the House in the autumn.

Senator Sean D. Barrett referred to a newspaper article on parliamentary accountability. I note the points he made in that regard.

Senator Eamonn Coghlan and other Senators have referred to the 11 drownings that have occurred in recent weeks. He has said there is a need for a change of attitude to prevent such appalling tragedies. I compliment Irish Water Safety which does tremendous work. Senators Pat O'Neill and Martin Conway have asked for water safety to be included in the school curriculum. That valid point was made by Senator Feargal Quinn and other Senators a number of weeks ago. I extend my own condolences and those of the House to the families of those who drowned in recent times and all others who have been bereaved by these events.

Senator David Cullinane also raised Ashoka Mody's claim that we should ease up on austerity. This is the policy the Government has been pursuing for some time. When the Government was formed, we determined that the route to recovery could not be by budgetary consolidation alone and that we also needed a strategy for job creation and growth. We introduced a stimulus package which was announced by the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform, Deputy Brendan Howlin; a strategic investment fund of €6 billion from the National Pensions Reserve Fund; the Action Plan for Jobs which the Minister for Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation, Deputy Richard Bruton, has been advancing, and the Pathways to Work scheme, on which the Minister for Social Protection, Deputy Joan Burton, has taken a lead. We derived a dividend of approximately €1 billion from the deal we negotiated on the promissory notes. As a result of this careful negotiation, the Government will assess, as part of the budget process in September and October, how to deploy this saving. The negativity of Sinn Féin is hammered through at every possible opportunity, as we heard again this morning.

Senators Mary Moran and Terry Brennan referred to the St. John of God services at St. Mary's, Drumcar. I am pleased Senator Mary Moran will raise the issue on the Adjournment. She also noted the large amount of money allocated to service providers. Perhaps this money should be provided directly to those who need it rather than the service providers. I am sure this option will be considered by the Minister.

I do not agree with Senator Rónán Mullen's remarks which I treat with the contempt they deserve.

Senator Cáit Keane called for a debate on child care. I will ask the Minister for Children and Youth Affairs, Deputy Frances Fitzgerald, to come before the House.

I note the comments Senator Fidelma Healy Eames made last week about Down's syndrome. I brought the issue to the attention of the Minister for Health and it is a matter for him to decide whether he wishes to make a statement on the issue in the coming days.

I welcome Senator Thomas Byrne's constructive comments. I am willing to discuss time limits on legislation or sections of Bills and any other issue that would improve the workings of the House. I assure the Senator that I will work with all sides in that regard.

Senator Mary Ann O'Brien referred to the abuse of the Internet, especially in respect of pornographic images. I will ask the Minister for Communications, Energy and Natural Resources, Deputy Pat Rabbitte, to come to the House to address the issue in the autumn session.

Senator Lorraine Higgins referred to the fees paid by doctors when prescribing methadone. I suggest the Senator raise the matter on the Adjournment.

Senator Trevor Ó Clochartaigh raised the issue of traffic in Galway. As I stated previously, this is a matter for the local authority, although I am sure the Government will respond with funding when suitable projects are proposed.

Senator Catherine Noone referred to European Union proposals on banking card fees. The proposals are to be welcomed.

Senator Michael Mullins welcomed the energy efficiency measures announced by the Minister of State, Deputy Jan O'Sullivan, which will benefit the tenants of more than 5,000 local authority homes. These measures are to be welcomed.

I assure Senator Marc MacSharry that the full rigour of the law should fall on any person who assisted in bringing down the State, especially in the banking sector.

Like Senator Colm Burke, I welcome the statement issued by the Institute of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists on some of the matters raised in the House last week.

Senator James Heffernan complimented the efforts of the London football team. I wish the Senator's home county of Limerick every success in the all-Ireland hurling championship.

I note the comments of Senator Ó Murchú on the Orange Order and we will assist in any way we can on that. However, I renew my call to the Orange Order to enter into meaningful discussions with the Parades Commission and the communities in Northern Ireland. I will bring the matter to the attention of the Tánaiste.

Senator D'Arcy raised the issue of the Syrian conflict and the deployment of Irish troops. This issue was discussed in the other House, but I am not sure we will be able to get the Minister for Defence to come into the House in the next number of days to discuss the issue. I will make inquiries of him in that regard.

Senator O'Sullivan mentioned the excellent voice of our new Senator. Whatever about a duet, I can assure the Senator we will be singing off the same hymn sheet.

Paddy Burke (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Senator Darragh O'Brien has moved an amendment to the Order of Business, "That No. 41, motion 7 be taken today". Is the amendment being pressed?

Darragh O'Brien (Fianna Fail)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

It is. I remind Members that this is really about establishing respect for the committees and procedures of this House.

Paddy Burke (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

The Senator has spoken already on this.

Darragh O'Brien (Fianna Fail)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

That is all it is doing. It is important that Members know that it is being moved simply in order to allow us to follow the procedures of the House.

Paddy Burke (Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

Is the amendment being pressed?

Darragh O'Brien (Fianna Fail)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

It certainly is.

Diarmuid Wilson (Fianna Fail)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

In order for colleagues to show truly their democratic values and their belief in the systems that operate in this House I request under Standing Order 62(3)(b) that the division be taken again other than by electronic means.