Seanad debates
Wednesday, 10 July 2013
Business of Seanad
6:30 pm
Maurice Cummins (Fine Gael)
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As the contributions are three times longer than the Second Stage contributions it is obvious we need more time. Can I propose an amendment to the Order of Business that the debate will adjourn at midnight, if not previously concluded?
David Norris (Independent)
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No, you cannot.
Denis O'Donovan (Fianna Fail)
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Is that agreed?
David Norris (Independent)
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No. It is not agreed. It is rubbish. More bullying.
John Crown (Independent)
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A Chathaoirligh----
Denis O'Donovan (Fianna Fail)
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I have to deal with this matter first, Senator Crown.
John Crown (Independent)
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Can I take my seat while this is being dealt with?
Denis O'Donovan (Fianna Fail)
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Yes. You can resume your seat.
John Crown (Independent)
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I am not yielding the-----
Denis O'Donovan (Fianna Fail)
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The Leader has proposed an amendment to the Order of Business, "That the debate on the Bill be extended to midnight, if not previously concluded."
Katherine Zappone (Independent)
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On a point of order, I thought I received a schedule from the Leader's office stating that it would extend to midnight. Is that correct?
Denis O'Donovan (Fianna Fail)
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No. To clarify, the Order for Business today stated this debate was to run from 7 p.m. to 10 p.m. The Leader is now proposing, as is his right, that it be extended to 12 midnight, if not previously concluded. Is that agreed?
David Norris (Independent)
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No. I want to ask a question of the Leader.
Denis O'Donovan (Fianna Fail)
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There will be no questions. It is a proposal.
David Norris (Independent)
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On a point of order, supposing, for example, the debate is not finished-----
Denis O'Donovan (Fianna Fail)
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That is a supposition, not a point of order.
David Norris (Independent)
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I do not care. Does the Leader propose to have us sitting here until 2 a.m., 4 a.m., 6 a.m. or 7 a.m.? Some of us have jobs.
Denis O'Donovan (Fianna Fail)
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That is not a point of order. It is a supposition.
David Norris (Independent)
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I do not care what it is; it is a point of disorder then. A bit of information is no harm, even from this lousy Government.
Denis O'Donovan (Fianna Fail)
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Senator Norris, with all due respect, the question is that-----
Terry Leyden (Fianna Fail)
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There is no question yet.
Denis O'Donovan (Fianna Fail)
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I am putting the question.
Terry Leyden (Fianna Fail)
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On a point of order, it has not been put.
Denis O'Donovan (Fianna Fail)
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Senator Leyden-----
Terry Leyden (Fianna Fail)
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On a point of order-----
Denis O'Donovan (Fianna Fail)
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I hope it is a point of order.
Terry Leyden (Fianna Fail)
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Of course it is a point of order.
John Kelly (Labour)
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I doubt that very much.
Terry Leyden (Fianna Fail)
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It is unprecedented to change the rules-----
Denis O'Donovan (Fianna Fail)
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That is not a point of order. I am putting the question that the amendment be-----
Terry Leyden (Fianna Fail)
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-----in the middle of the day.
Maurice Cummins (Fine Gael)
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Members are being given more time.
Denis O'Donovan (Fianna Fail)
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I am putting the question.
Terry Leyden (Fianna Fail)
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This is bully-boy tactics to try to get the Bill-----
Denis O'Donovan (Fianna Fail)
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Is the amendment agreed to? Agreed. No?
Maurice Cummins (Fine Gael)
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Members can have all the time in the world.
Terry Leyden (Fianna Fail)
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You are changing the rules.
Denis O'Donovan (Fianna Fail)
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Those in favour say "Tá".
David Norris (Independent)
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On a point of order, the Government side has made a significant contribution by not opening one little beak over there-----
Denis O'Donovan (Fianna Fail)
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Senator Norris-----
David Norris (Independent)
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-----which shows how ashamed they are. It is a disgrace.
Denis O'Donovan (Fianna Fail)
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Senator Norris, please resume your seat.
David Norris (Independent)
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They cannot complain about us talking too long when they have not even opened their gobs.
Denis O'Donovan (Fianna Fail)
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Senator Norris, please resume your seat. As a matter of respect to the Chair, when the Chair puts a question, points of order cannot be made. It is either voted on or not. It has been agreed. Is that correct?
Denis O'Donovan (Fianna Fail)
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When I asked the question nobody said "No".
David Norris (Independent)
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I said "No" about 1,000 times.
Denis O'Donovan (Fianna Fail)
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Not when I asked the question.
David Norris (Independent)
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"Yes" or "No" is the answer, and Votáil.
6:40 pm
John Crown (Independent)
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In view of the close outcome, I request that, under Standing Order 62(3)(b), the division be taken again other than by electronic means.
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- Michael D'Arcy
- John Gilroy
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- John Kelly
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- Mary Moran
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- Pat O'Neill
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