Seanad debates

Wednesday, 10 July 2013

6:30 pm

Photo of Maurice CumminsMaurice Cummins (Fine Gael)
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As the contributions are three times longer than the Second Stage contributions it is obvious we need more time. Can I propose an amendment to the Order of Business that the debate will adjourn at midnight, if not previously concluded?

Photo of David NorrisDavid Norris (Independent)
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No, you cannot.

Photo of Denis O'DonovanDenis O'Donovan (Fianna Fail)
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Is that agreed?

Photo of David NorrisDavid Norris (Independent)
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No. It is not agreed. It is rubbish. More bullying.

Photo of John CrownJohn Crown (Independent)
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A Chathaoirligh----

Photo of Denis O'DonovanDenis O'Donovan (Fianna Fail)
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I have to deal with this matter first, Senator Crown.

Photo of John CrownJohn Crown (Independent)
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Can I take my seat while this is being dealt with?

Photo of Denis O'DonovanDenis O'Donovan (Fianna Fail)
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Yes. You can resume your seat.

Photo of John CrownJohn Crown (Independent)
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I am not yielding the-----

Photo of Denis O'DonovanDenis O'Donovan (Fianna Fail)
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The Leader has proposed an amendment to the Order of Business, "That the debate on the Bill be extended to midnight, if not previously concluded."

Photo of Katherine ZapponeKatherine Zappone (Independent)
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On a point of order, I thought I received a schedule from the Leader's office stating that it would extend to midnight. Is that correct?

Photo of Denis O'DonovanDenis O'Donovan (Fianna Fail)
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No. To clarify, the Order for Business today stated this debate was to run from 7 p.m. to 10 p.m. The Leader is now proposing, as is his right, that it be extended to 12 midnight, if not previously concluded. Is that agreed?

Photo of David NorrisDavid Norris (Independent)
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No. I want to ask a question of the Leader.

Photo of Denis O'DonovanDenis O'Donovan (Fianna Fail)
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There will be no questions. It is a proposal.

Photo of David NorrisDavid Norris (Independent)
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On a point of order, supposing, for example, the debate is not finished-----

Photo of Denis O'DonovanDenis O'Donovan (Fianna Fail)
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That is a supposition, not a point of order.

Photo of David NorrisDavid Norris (Independent)
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I do not care. Does the Leader propose to have us sitting here until 2 a.m., 4 a.m., 6 a.m. or 7 a.m.? Some of us have jobs.

Photo of Denis O'DonovanDenis O'Donovan (Fianna Fail)
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That is not a point of order. It is a supposition.

Photo of David NorrisDavid Norris (Independent)
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I do not care what it is; it is a point of disorder then. A bit of information is no harm, even from this lousy Government.

Photo of Denis O'DonovanDenis O'Donovan (Fianna Fail)
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Senator Norris, with all due respect, the question is that-----

Photo of Terry LeydenTerry Leyden (Fianna Fail)
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There is no question yet.

Photo of Denis O'DonovanDenis O'Donovan (Fianna Fail)
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I am putting the question.

Photo of Terry LeydenTerry Leyden (Fianna Fail)
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On a point of order, it has not been put.

Photo of Denis O'DonovanDenis O'Donovan (Fianna Fail)
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Senator Leyden-----

Photo of Terry LeydenTerry Leyden (Fianna Fail)
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On a point of order-----

Photo of Denis O'DonovanDenis O'Donovan (Fianna Fail)
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I hope it is a point of order.

Photo of Terry LeydenTerry Leyden (Fianna Fail)
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Of course it is a point of order.

Photo of John KellyJohn Kelly (Labour)
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I doubt that very much.

Photo of Terry LeydenTerry Leyden (Fianna Fail)
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It is unprecedented to change the rules-----

Photo of Denis O'DonovanDenis O'Donovan (Fianna Fail)
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That is not a point of order. I am putting the question that the amendment be-----

Photo of Terry LeydenTerry Leyden (Fianna Fail)
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-----in the middle of the day.

Photo of Maurice CumminsMaurice Cummins (Fine Gael)
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Members are being given more time.

Photo of Denis O'DonovanDenis O'Donovan (Fianna Fail)
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I am putting the question.

Photo of Terry LeydenTerry Leyden (Fianna Fail)
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This is bully-boy tactics to try to get the Bill-----

Photo of Denis O'DonovanDenis O'Donovan (Fianna Fail)
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Is the amendment agreed to? Agreed. No?

Photo of Maurice CumminsMaurice Cummins (Fine Gael)
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Members can have all the time in the world.

Photo of Terry LeydenTerry Leyden (Fianna Fail)
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You are changing the rules.

Photo of Denis O'DonovanDenis O'Donovan (Fianna Fail)
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Those in favour say "Tá".

(Interruptions).

Photo of David NorrisDavid Norris (Independent)
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On a point of order, the Government side has made a significant contribution by not opening one little beak over there-----

Photo of Denis O'DonovanDenis O'Donovan (Fianna Fail)
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Senator Norris-----

Photo of David NorrisDavid Norris (Independent)
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-----which shows how ashamed they are. It is a disgrace.

Photo of Denis O'DonovanDenis O'Donovan (Fianna Fail)
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Senator Norris, please resume your seat.

Photo of David NorrisDavid Norris (Independent)
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They cannot complain about us talking too long when they have not even opened their gobs.

Photo of Denis O'DonovanDenis O'Donovan (Fianna Fail)
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Senator Norris, please resume your seat. As a matter of respect to the Chair, when the Chair puts a question, points of order cannot be made. It is either voted on or not. It has been agreed. Is that correct?

Photo of Denis O'DonovanDenis O'Donovan (Fianna Fail)
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When I asked the question nobody said "No".

Photo of David NorrisDavid Norris (Independent)
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I said "No" about 1,000 times.

Photo of Denis O'DonovanDenis O'Donovan (Fianna Fail)
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Not when I asked the question.

Photo of David NorrisDavid Norris (Independent)
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"Yes" or "No" is the answer, and Votáil.

Question put.

The Seanad divided by electronic means.

6:40 pm

Photo of John CrownJohn Crown (Independent)
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In view of the close outcome, I request that, under Standing Order 62(3)(b), the division be taken again other than by electronic means.

Question put:

The Seanad divided: Tá, 29; Níl, 19.

Tellers: Tá, Senators Paul Coghlan and Aideen Hayden; Níl, Senators Sean D. Barrett and John Crown.

Question declared carried.