Seanad debates

Thursday, 7 February 2013

Adjournment Matters

Private Security Licensing Fee

2:30 pm

Photo of Pat O'NeillPat O'Neill (Fine Gael)
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I welcome the Minister of State at the Department of Arts, Heritage and Gaeltacht Affairs, Deputy Dinny McGinley.

Photo of John WhelanJohn Whelan (Labour)
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I will be prompt as I am aware that there are urgent and pressing matters awaiting in the form of an imminent announcement in the Dáil about the deal on the Anglo Irish Bank promissory note.

My question to the Minister of State is straightforward. As the Minister of State is aware, last October the Private Security Authority, PSA, under a ministerial statutory instrument, initiated a new form of licensing regime for people working in the private security sector installing security-related equipment such as CCTV cameras, electronic gates, electronic security barriers and so on. It is important that we have regulation and proper standards and that we do not have rogue operators and cowboy operators such as those who were involved in other sectors of the building industry over the years, much to the detriment of consumers and tradesmen. In this instance, however, the licensing regime is draconian. The licensing fee is far too hefty. It is causing severe hardship in this sector. It is punitive and is putting a lot of pressure on small electrical contractors and small businesses who do not have the resources to meet this level of licensing fee, and it must be renewed biannually. While it is important to have regulation it is also important that it is fair rather than punitive.

I understand that the Minister for Justice and Equality has agreed to enter into a review process with the PSA and that process is drawing to a conclusion. What stage is it at now and when will the Minister make an announcement that will hopefully allay and assuage the fears of people and contractors working in that sector?

Photo of Dinny McGinleyDinny McGinley (Donegal South West, Fine Gael)
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I thank Senator Whelan for raising this matter on the Adjournment.

I am speaking on behalf of the Minister for Justice and Equality, Deputy Alan Shatter, who regrets that he is unable to be with us this afternoon.

In the first instance, I would like to point out that the Private Security Authority, established under the Private Security Services Act 2004, as amended, is the statutory body responsible for the regulation and licensing of the private security industry in the State. The authority is an independent agency under the remit of the Department of Justice and Equality.

The 2004 Act, as amended, sets out the activities in the private security industry which are, or will be, subject to licensing. The licensing of installers of security equipment, encompassing intruder alarms, CCTV and access control systems, is one such activity covered by the 2004 legislation. Last year, the Minister, Deputy Shatter consented to the making of regulations, by the PSA, to extend licensing to contractors and private security employers providing security services installing CCTV and access control systems. This completed the authority's licensing of contractors in the electronic security sector with the licensing of contractors involved in installing intruder alarms having commenced back in 2006.

In accordance with these regulations, from 1 October 2012, all existing contractors providing licensable CCTV and access control services must be in possession of an appropriate licence or have an application lodged with the authority. The regulations also provide for the licensing of contractors who maintain intruder alarm systems. The Minister is informed by the authority that the extension of its licensing to these particular sectors was in preparation for a considerable time and that it involved two public consultation stages - both of which were notified to industry stakeholders including bodies representing electrical contractors.

As the Senator will be aware, contractors such as those in the CCTV sector, as part of their application, are required to pay a licence fee to the authority. The authority has informed the Minister that the current fee, which is for a two year licence, was set by the authority in 2005 and has not been increased since. The Senator will no doubt appreciate that the provision of a regulatory environment understandably has cost implications for the industry but the public and Industry itself both benefit from regulation. The Minister is assured by the authority that it has made every effort to ensure that costs are kept to a minimum and has also introduced an instalment payment option to assist contractors with paying for their licence. The authority is aware of the genuine hardship faced, in particular, by small businesses in light of the current economic climate and so continues to seek ways of easing the burden of regulation while at the same time meeting its statutory obligations.

As regards the fees charged by the PSA, notwithstanding that while the current PSA fee structure has remained unchanged since 2005, the Minister has been aware for some time that the fee level has been the subject of much criticism, particularly following the introduction of the newest phase of regulation when the CCTV and access control sectors were brought within its scope. As correctly indicated by the Senator, this phase of regulation brought some elements of the work of electrical contractors within the scope of the PSA for the first time - many of whom are smaller operators with relatively small turnover. The Minister appreciates that the current fee may well be unduly burdensome for such operators. Being mindful of the plight of such contractors, the Department of Justice and Equality and the PSA have been in consultation about a review of the fees in question. Any change in fees requires a new statutory instrument to be drafted and the Department of Justice and Equality is in contact with the Office of the Parliamentary Counsel in that regard. It is expected that the process will be completed in the near future and the Minister, Deputy Shatter will then be in a position to make an announcement on the matter.

Since the PSA first began licensing in 2006, there has been a welcome transformation of the private security industry which the Senator will appreciate has had many positive benefits for the industry, the wider business community and the public. The authority has been in successful in combatting what were originally quite low standards in the industry, consumer confidence has improved overall, all contractors are now operating to the same standards, are tax compliant, vetted by the Garda and subject to ongoing monitoring and inspections by the authority. The PSA, through its work has led to significantly improved compliance generally in areas such as taxation and welfare payments.

2:40 pm

Photo of Pat O'NeillPat O'Neill (Fine Gael)
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I thank the Minister of State and I call Senator Whelan who has one minute.

Photo of John WhelanJohn Whelan (Labour)
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I thank the Minister of State for attending and answering my question. I also thank the Minister for a thorough and sympathetic response. I detected a chink of light in his response. I am optimistic that the review is meaningful and will recognise the particular hardship imposed on smaller contractors. I hope that when the review reaches its conclusion that it will revise the licensing regime downwards where it applies to smaller contractors who have a small turnover. I urge the Minister to be minded to that effect.

Photo of Dinny McGinleyDinny McGinley (Donegal South West, Fine Gael)
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I appreciate the Senator's concerns and they were reflected in the Minister's reply that I delivered on his behalf. The Senator's additional comments will be brought to his attention and will be included in his deliberations before orders are made.