Seanad debates

Tuesday, 20 January 2009

Anglo Irish Bank Corporation Bill 2009: Earlier Signature Motion

 

11:00 am

Photo of Donie CassidyDonie Cassidy (Fianna Fail)
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I move:

That pursuant to subsection 2° of section 2 of Article 25 of the Constitution, Seanad Éireann concurs with the Government in a request to the President to sign the Anglo Irish Bank Corporation Bill 2009 on a date which is earlier than the fifth day after the date on which the Bill shall have been presented to her.

Photo of Pat MoylanPat Moylan (Fianna Fail)
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Is the motion agreed?

Senators:

No.

Photo of Pat MoylanPat Moylan (Fianna Fail)
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I ask Members to resume their seats. The question is "That the motion be agreed to" and on that question a division has been challenged.

Photo of Maurice CumminsMaurice Cummins (Fine Gael)
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We called a division on the actual Bill itself on numerous occasions. It came from both sides.

Photo of Pat MoylanPat Moylan (Fianna Fail)
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Tellers: Tá, Senator Diarmuid Wilson and Senator Camillus Glynn; Níl, Senator Maurice Cummins and Senator Paschal Donohoe.

(Interruptions).

Photo of Maurice CumminsMaurice Cummins (Fine Gael)
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It is bad enough to be stifling debate in this House rather than displaying this type of an attitude, too, a Chathaorligh.

Photo of Pat MoylanPat Moylan (Fianna Fail)
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The time allowed for voting is one minute and the time starts now.

Photo of Maurice CumminsMaurice Cummins (Fine Gael)
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This is absolutely undemocratic.

Photo of Pat MoylanPat Moylan (Fianna Fail)
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It is not.

Photo of Pearse DohertyPearse Doherty (Sinn Fein)
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I heard Senator Norris clearly call for a vote. It will take a number of minutes to have a vote on this Bill. All of us on this side of the House want to vote on this Bill, and a vote was called — we can check the transcripts.

Photo of Pat MoylanPat Moylan (Fianna Fail)
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No vote was called. I did not hear it.

(Interruptions).

Photo of Dominic HanniganDominic Hannigan (Labour)
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On a point of order, I suggest we adjourn the House and that a recording is listened to.

Photo of Pat MoylanPat Moylan (Fianna Fail)
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There is no point of order. The question has been put.

Photo of Dominic HanniganDominic Hannigan (Labour)
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The record will clearly show that several Members called for a vote. If we adjourn the House——

Photo of Pat MoylanPat Moylan (Fianna Fail)
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There is no point of order.

Photo of Dominic HanniganDominic Hannigan (Labour)
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——for ten minutes, this can probably be clarified.

Question put.

The Seanad divided by electronic means.

Photo of Maurice CumminsMaurice Cummins (Fine Gael)
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I would like a manual vote.

Photo of Frances FitzgeraldFrances Fitzgerald (Fine Gael)
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We want a walk through vote.

Photo of Pat MoylanPat Moylan (Fianna Fail)
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The vote will now proceed.

Question again put.

The Dail Divided:

For the motion: 28 (Dan Boyle, Martin Brady, Larry Butler, Peter Callanan, Ivor Callely, Ciarán Cannon, John Carty, Donie Cassidy, Maria Corrigan, Mark Daly, Déirdre de Búrca, John Ellis, Geraldine Feeney, Camillus Glynn, John Gerard Hanafin, Cecilia Keaveney, Terry Leyden, Marc MacSharry, Brian Ó Domhnaill, Labhrás Ó Murchú, Francis O'Brien, Denis O'Donovan, Fiona O'Malley, Ned O'Sullivan, Kieran Phelan, Jim Walsh, Mary White, Diarmuid Wilson)

Against the motion: 22 (Ivana Bacik, Paul Bradford, Paddy Burke, Jerry Buttimer, Paul Coghlan, Maurice Cummins, Pearse Doherty, Paschal Donohoe, Frances Fitzgerald, Dominic Hannigan, Fidelma Healy Eames, Alan Kelly, Nicky McFadden, David Norris, Joe O'Reilly, John Paul Phelan, Phil Prendergast, Feargal Quinn, Eugene Regan, Shane Ross, Brendan Ryan, Liam Twomey)

Tellers: Tá, Senators Camillus Glynn and Diarmuid Wilson; Níl, Senators Maurice Cummins and Paschal Donohoe.

Question declared carried.

Photo of Pat MoylanPat Moylan (Fianna Fail)
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When is it proposed to sit again?

Photo of David NorrisDavid Norris (Independent)
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I would like to raise what I believe is a point of order.

Photo of Donie CassidyDonie Cassidy (Fianna Fail)
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At 2.30 p.m. on Tuesday, 27 January 2009.

Photo of Pat MoylanPat Moylan (Fianna Fail)
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The House——

Photo of David NorrisDavid Norris (Independent)
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I would like to raise what I believe is a point of order.

Photo of Pat MoylanPat Moylan (Fianna Fail)
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What is the point of order? I cannot hear the Senator.

Photo of David NorrisDavid Norris (Independent)
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That is precisely the problem.

Photo of Pat MoylanPat Moylan (Fianna Fail)
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What is the point of order?

Photo of David NorrisDavid Norris (Independent)
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The point of order is this - I say it with no disrespect and no intention to comment adversely upon your performance as Cathaoirleach - it seems that the responsibilities of the Chair include ensuring that the debate is audible and that comments are heard. The minute this row started I very clearly started shouting "Vótáil, vótáil, vótáil". I have been heard at the back of a 3,000 seater auditorium and I cannot understand——

Photo of Nicky McFaddenNicky McFadden (Fine Gael)
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So did I.

Photo of Frances FitzgeraldFrances Fitzgerald (Fine Gael)
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I also did the same.

Photo of Pat MoylanPat Moylan (Fianna Fail)
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I am quite clear in my mind as Cathaoirleach, and I want to be fair to everyone, that I did not hear anyone call "vótáil"——

Photo of David NorrisDavid Norris (Independent)
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I accept that.

Photo of Pat MoylanPat Moylan (Fianna Fail)
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——-when I went through that particular section at the end, but when I called the early signature motion, I heard a number of people call "vótáil" on that.

Photo of David NorrisDavid Norris (Independent)
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I quite understand that you might have had difficulty hearing it because there was a hubbub and discussion and ruaille buaille going on, but in those circumstances, the House should have been adjourned so that people like myself who very clearly called for a vote on this important Bill could be heard. All my colleagues over here have supported me. They all heard me shouting it.

Senators:

Hear, hear.

Photo of Pat MoylanPat Moylan (Fianna Fail)
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I have made my decision on that. The business is completed and the House stands adjourned until 2.30 p.m. next Tuesday.