Seanad debates

Tuesday, 11 March 2003

2:30 pm

Rory Kiely (Fianna Fail)
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I have received notice from Senator Bannon that, on the motion for the Adjournment of the House today, he proposes to raise the following matter:

The need for the Minister for Education and Science to outline the reason for the decision to close Newtownforbes secondary school on the outskirts of Longford town.

I have also received notice from Senator Mansergh of the following matter:

The need for the Minister for Enterprise, Trade and Employment to indicate the steps she will take to find replacement jobs following the job losses at the Pall Corporation factory in Tipperary town.

I have also received notice from Senator Henry of the following matter:

The need for the Minister for Arts, Sports and Tourism to encourage the airline and hotel industries to adopt a more flexible approach to cancellation charges in view of the crisis in the tourism business.

I have also received notice from Senator Feighan of the folowing matter:

The need for the Minister for Agriculture and Food to intervene with Teagasc to ensure the decisions it has taken regarding office closures will be reversed.

I regard the matters raised by Senators Bannon, Mansergh and Henry as suitable for discussion on the Adjournment and they will be taken at the conclusion of business. I regret that I have had to rule out of order the matter raised by Senator Feighan as the Minister has no official responsibility in the matter.

Photo of Brian HayesBrian Hayes (Fine Gael)
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May I raise an issue of procedure?

Rory Kiely (Fianna Fail)
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No. We are proceeding to the Order of Business.

Photo of Brian HayesBrian Hayes (Fine Gael)
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On a point of order—

Rory Kiely (Fianna Fail)
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There can be no points of order. Can we, please, proceed to the Order of Business?

Photo of Brian HayesBrian Hayes (Fine Gael)
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I wish to raise a point of order.

Photo of David NorrisDavid Norris (Independent)
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The Cathaoirleach is required by Standing Orders to take—

Rory Kiely (Fianna Fail)
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We have not yet started business. I ask the Senator to resume his seat. I call the Leader of the House.

Photo of Brian HayesBrian Hayes (Fine Gael)
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With respect, a point of order must be taken by the Chair.

Rory Kiely (Fianna Fail)
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We have not yet started business. How can the Senator have a point of order before business has started?

Photo of Brian HayesBrian Hayes (Fine Gael)
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Business has started—

Rory Kiely (Fianna Fail)
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Business begins with the Order of Business. I ask the Senator to resume his seat. I call the Leader of the House.

Photo of Brian HayesBrian Hayes (Fine Gael)
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On a point of order—

Rory Kiely (Fianna Fail)
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No. I have called the Leader of the House.

Photo of Brian HayesBrian Hayes (Fine Gael)
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I will remain standing until my point of order is heard. We can do this the hard way or the straightforward way.

Rory Kiely (Fianna Fail)
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What is the Senator's point of order?

Photo of Brian HayesBrian Hayes (Fine Gael)
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You are aware that Senators O'Toole and Ryan and I wrote to you last Friday—

Rory Kiely (Fianna Fail)
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That is not a point of order.

Photo of Brian HayesBrian Hayes (Fine Gael)
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I am asking you to reconsider holding a meeting of the Committee on Procedure and Privileges—

Rory Kiely (Fianna Fail)
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That is not a point of order. The Senator should resume his seat.

Photo of Brian HayesBrian Hayes (Fine Gael)
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—as the procedure proposed by the Government for the House this week is unacceptable.

Rory Kiely (Fianna Fail)
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I call the Leader of the House on the Order of Business.

Photo of Brian HayesBrian Hayes (Fine Gael)
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On a point of order, Standing Order 84(1)(a)—

Rory Kiely (Fianna Fail)
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I have called the Leader of the House on the Order of Business.

Photo of Brian HayesBrian Hayes (Fine Gael)
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—refers to the Committee on Procedure and Privileges and its right to bring forward amendments to Standing Orders.

Rory Kiely (Fianna Fail)
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Will the Senator please resume his seat?

Photo of Brian HayesBrian Hayes (Fine Gael)
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If Report Stage, as proposed by the Government side, is taken on Thursday—

Rory Kiely (Fianna Fail)
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The Senator must resume his seat.

Photo of Brian HayesBrian Hayes (Fine Gael)
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—it will be against the Standing Orders of this House.

Rory Kiely (Fianna Fail)
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Will the Senator please resume his seat?

Photo of Brian HayesBrian Hayes (Fine Gael)
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The Chair must make a ruling on this matter. I ask him to do so.

Rory Kiely (Fianna Fail)
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I have called the Leader of the House on the Order of Business

Photo of Brian HayesBrian Hayes (Fine Gael)
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I ask you to make a ruling on this matter.

Rory Kiely (Fianna Fail)
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I have ruled on it.

Photo of Brian HayesBrian Hayes (Fine Gael)
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I am asking you to reconsider the decision and immediately hold a meeting of the Committee on Procedure and Privileges to bring forward an amendment to Standing Orders to allow the unprecedented Government proposals—

Rory Kiely (Fianna Fail)
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No. The Senator is completely out of order.

Photo of Brian HayesBrian Hayes (Fine Gael)
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I am not. I am in order.

Rory Kiely (Fianna Fail)
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The Senator is not.

Photo of Martin ManserghMartin Mansergh (Fianna Fail)
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The Senator should accept the Chair's ruling.

Photo of Brian HayesBrian Hayes (Fine Gael)
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The Committee on Procedure and Privileges protects all Members of this House, not just one side.

Rory Kiely (Fianna Fail)
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The Senator is not in order. I call the Leader of the House.

Photo of Brian HayesBrian Hayes (Fine Gael)
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This is a grotesque infringement of Members' rights.

Rory Kiely (Fianna Fail)
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Will the Senator please resume his seat? I have called the Leader of the House on the Order of Business.

Photo of Martin ManserghMartin Mansergh (Fianna Fail)
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The Senator should have respect for the Chair.

Photo of Brian HayesBrian Hayes (Fine Gael)
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I ask the Cathaoirleach to reconsider on this matter. This is an unprecedented parliamentary move by the Government.

Rory Kiely (Fianna Fail)
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I have called the Leader of the House on the Order of Business.

Photo of Brian HayesBrian Hayes (Fine Gael)
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Will you give an assurance—

Rory Kiely (Fianna Fail)
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I have ruled on it.

Photo of Brian HayesBrian Hayes (Fine Gael)
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—that there will be an amendment to Standing Orders to allow this matter to come before the House on Thursday? I ask for clarity on the matter. All Members of the House have rights.