Sean Barrett (Independent)

I wish to share time with Senator Norris.

I welcome the Minister of State. His debate in Irish with Senator Ó'Clochartaigh and others has gone into the annals of the House and I compliment him on that. The Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform stated when he examined these issues when he served in the Department of the Environment, he found engineers much more interested in building and designing new dams than in fixing leaks. According to the McLoughlin report, the leakage rate is between 17% and 50%, depending on the local authority area. I was disappointed when Senator Quinn pointed out that a section of the report dealing with this was redacted. We experienced the same problem with a report on the VHI in regard to health insurance. There should be no redactions where Oireachtas Members are concerned.