John Gerard Hanafin (Fianna Fail)

I agree with those Senators who express the view that the ideal situation is a loving and caring relationship for the child with a mother and a father. If that is a biological mother and father, then all the better, but if not, then it should be an adoptive mother and father because that is as nature has given it to us. Given that nature would have some interest in this matter, we should send a clear message for the future in that. There are many different types of scientific developments that allow the development of children, be it surrogacy or sperm donors, so we will have to come back to this issue and I ask the Minister to be cognisant of what I have suggested.

I also share Senator Mullen's point about the list that may or may not be produced. Things seem to have gone full circle. It was Joe McCarthy who had a list that he might produce in certain circumstances. If Senator Norris has a list, he should just produce it. I think we can stand up for ourselves.