John Gerard Hanafin (Fianna Fail)

Like all the other speakers, I welcome the debate tomorrow on the Ryan report. I am conscious that it will give an opportunity to condemn the wrongdoing of some in the church. Notwithstanding that, I note that there could be a corruption of anger. On that corruption of anger, it is important to look at whether those who did wrong were doing so by instruction from the top, as happens, say, when people overreact and use the words "concentration camp". In a concentration camp, the instruction from the authorities is to treat people in a certain manner. The children were not treated according to the diktat, rules, regulations and statements of the church and those who did those things were further away from the church than the poor innocent victims.