David Norris (Independent)

I also heard the Tánaiste on the radio at lunchtime. I was surprised by what she stated because if it were true — and it was challenged in this House — that we spend as much as those countries which received the best results, it seems to highlight an inadequacy as we do not get the same results.

Reference was made to the national treatment purchase scheme, which is a clear indication the system does not work. It is lamentable that we must leave the country to purchase treatment for our own citizens. That cannot be highlighted as a positive aspect in support of the situation. I stated repeatedly it was courageous of the Tánaiste to take on this extremely difficult job. I agree with Senator O'Toole and others who suggested we need to know the facts. Perhaps an outside investigation would be no harm.

I was told, and I assume it is true, that hospital beds are clogged up because people on antibiotic treatment take free leave to wander down to the pub and soak up a few pints, rendering the treatment inefficacious. If this is an urban legend, it is time it was put to bed. However, if it is true it is time action was taken.

I cannot help noticing that all over the city of Dublin, particularly at weekends, ambulances scoop up soporific citizens suffering from nothing other than an over-indulgence in alcohol. We must also examine that situation. Perhaps they need treatment. I am not sure the use of ambulances, which are emergency vehicles, is appropriate in these circumstances.

I wish to refer to a matter concerning another Department, which caused great offence and will cause great concern to all Members of this House. I refer to the recent statement of an eminent person, the Secretary General of the Department of Justice, Equality and Law Reform, that asylum seekers and refugees constantly lie through their teeth. That is strong and virulent language.