Senator Bannon accepted the need for residual landfill but said that we should follow best waste practices abroad and he added that he was kicking to touch on thermal treatment. We are following best international and best European practice in adopting the integrated waste management approach. We all use the phrases "best practice" and "best international approach", but we should also accept that approach and not run away from what it entails. There is no point cherrypicking and being afraid to embrace less attractive aspects of that approach.