I agree with Senator Mansergh. When Dick Spring introduced water charges, I attended meetings where people complained about the cost. I remember pointing out that the cost per week was less than one glass of beer or a television licence and a fraction of an electricity bill. I asked if they had to do without either electricity or water which they would choose. It would be a difficult decision. It is as ludicrous to argue that electricity should be free as it is to argue that water or the collection of waste should be free. It does not stand up. While I oppose what the Minister is doing I understand the reason and have some sympathy with it.