Verona Murphy (Wexford, Independent)
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Good afternoon Deputies. I now take Leader's Questions under Standing Order No. 36. I call Deputy McDonald.

Mary Lou McDonald (Dublin Central, Sinn Fein)
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The brazen stroke engineered by the Taoiseach yesterday represents an unprecedented sabotaging of the democracy of the Dáil. This mess is entirely of the Government's making-----

Deputies:

Hear, hear.

Mary Lou McDonald (Dublin Central, Sinn Fein)
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-----and the chaos that unfolded in this Chamber is a response to the Taoiseach running roughshod over the democratic functioning of the Dáil to suit his own agenda and to protect his grubby deal with Michael Lowry.

Deputies:

Hear, hear.

Mary Lou McDonald (Dublin Central, Sinn Fein)
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A deal so important to the self-serving political interests of Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael, that he moves heaven and earth to allow Deputy Lowry and his group of TDs to be both in Government and Opposition at the same time.

Of course, this plan is of mutual benefit. Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael seek to blunt the Opposition and dodge accountability. Michael Lowry and his crew seek a way to gain political influence and high office. The nod, the wink, the stroke politics so associated with Fianna Fáil is not only back, but is the very foundation of the Government.

Deputies:

Hear, hear.

Mary Lou McDonald (Dublin Central, Sinn Fein)
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A murky deal with a man the Taoiseach once described as "a rogue politician", who he called on to resign his Dáil seat because of the findings of corruption against him, now pulls the strings as king-maker in the Government's coalition and gives the two fingers to the Opposition, to democracy and to the Irish people.

Deputies:

Hear, hear.

Mary Lou McDonald (Dublin Central, Sinn Fein)
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Yesterday, the Taoiseach took a sledgehammer to the rules and procedures of the Dáil and was assisted in this task by the Ceann Comhairle. Yesterday, the person responsible for safeguarding the Dáil's democratic processes led the charge on behalf of the Government's agenda.

Deputies:

Hear, hear.

Mary Lou McDonald (Dublin Central, Sinn Fein)
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The Ceann Comhairle bulldozed Dáil rules to get the Government's plan over the line to protect the very deal that put her in her position.

David Cullinane (Waterford, Sinn Fein)
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Hear, hear.

Mary Lou McDonald (Dublin Central, Sinn Fein)
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A deal brokered by her mentor, Deputy Lowry, who sat smiling and giving the two fingers to the people of Ireland while the chaos unfolded.

A Cheann Comhairle, you took a wrecking ball to Dáil procedure to facilitate this charade.

Deputies:

Hear, hear.

Mary Lou McDonald (Dublin Central, Sinn Fein)
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You even got a thumbs up from the Government Chief Whip for all your efforts.

Deputies:

Hear, hear.

Mary Lou McDonald (Dublin Central, Sinn Fein)
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The Ceann Comhairle failed to hold a vote to agree Dáil Business when a vote was called. You dumped promised legislation; and in your rush to ram through the Government motion, you only called a vote on an amendment and not on a substantive motion but still declared the Government motion had been passed.

David Cullinane (Waterford, Sinn Fein)
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Hear, hear.

Mary Lou McDonald (Dublin Central, Sinn Fein)
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This was farcical, a clear breach of Dáil rules. It was unprecedented and it was unacceptable.

Deputies:

Hear, hear.

Mary Lou McDonald (Dublin Central, Sinn Fein)
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Your actions yesterday, a Cheann Comhairle, were demonstrably partisan and lacked the partiality and independence demanded of your position.

David Cullinane (Waterford, Sinn Fein)
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Hear, hear.

Mary Lou McDonald (Dublin Central, Sinn Fein)
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Who convinced the Ceann Comhairle to play her part in this disgraceful charade, or is it simply that bias for the Government is baked into the very deal that secured her position? That is now the question.

Deputies:

Hear, hear.

Mary Lou McDonald (Dublin Central, Sinn Fein)
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Thaispeáin an Ceann Comhairle nach bhfuil sí neamhchlaonta nó neamhspleách. Thacaigh sí go daingean leis an Rialtas chun an beart aiféalach le Michael Lowry a chosaint. Ní féidir léi leanúint ar aghaidh sa phost. Caithfidh sí imeacht.

A Cheann Comhairle, not alone have you lost the confidence of the entire Opposition, you have in fact decimated it-----

David Cullinane (Waterford, Sinn Fein)
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Hear, hear.

Mary Lou McDonald (Dublin Central, Sinn Fein)
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-----and the Dáil cannot function properly while you remain in the Chair.

Deputies:

Hear, hear.

Mary Lou McDonald (Dublin Central, Sinn Fein)
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Above all, the Ceann Comhairle must be impartial, fair and independent. By your actions, you have demonstrated that you are not. Your position is therefore untenable. I ask you to reflect very carefully on this because you need to go.

Deputies:

Hear, hear.

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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Ar dtús báire, ní aontaím in aon chor leis an Teachta. Is dóigh liom nach bhfuil sí ag insint na fírinne in aon chor sa mhéid a dúirt sí faoin Chief Whip.

At the outset I wish to say that before this Dáil was convened, we were told - in no uncertain manner - that we faced a new era of total opposition. That was the Sinn Féin promise. When we met to fulfil our constitutional duty to appoint the Government, we saw the new model of total opposition includes making it impossible to do business unless the minority allows it. It involves refusing to respect basic rules and making extreme statements and false assertions, as we have just had.

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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Since Dáil Éireann first met, its rules have changed hundreds of times. Many times these rules have been changed without agreement between all parties. We have regularly had votes on changes to parliamentary procedure. The concept of an Opposition veto is found nowhere in the democratic world.

Deputies:

Hear, hear.

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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In this case, what we have is the profoundly antidemocratic demand that non-office holders be kept quiet if they support the Government.

Mary Lou McDonald (Dublin Central, Sinn Fein)
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Absolutely not.

David Cullinane (Waterford, Sinn Fein)
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More red herrings.

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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Yesterday, a number of Opposition spokespeople claimed no other country in the world would do this. It is a sad commentary on their approach that they would use such inflated language to make provably false claims.

A basic review of democratic parliaments around the world shows that Ireland may in fact be the only one which refuses to allow Government-supporting TDs to ask priority oral questions.

Gerald Nash (Louth, Labour)
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Excessive executive control.

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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To give just a few examples; in Germany all non-Ministers have access to oral questions.

Pearse Doherty (Donegal, Sinn Fein)
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Have they not got that here?

Conor McGuinness (Waterford, Sinn Fein)
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It is the same here.

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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The same is the case in France-----

Verona Murphy (Wexford, Independent)
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Deputies, please.

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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-----Finland and the Netherlands.

Pearse Doherty (Donegal, Sinn Fein)
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Here as well.

Verona Murphy (Wexford, Independent)
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Please, Deputies.

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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I did not interrupt.

Verona Murphy (Wexford, Independent)
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Deputies, please allow the Taoiseach to speak.

Gerald Nash (Louth, Labour)
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Self-serving offices.

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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In Australia, the practice is Government MPs get to ask half of all questions to the Prime Minister. In Sweden, the Prime Minister answers oral questions on alternate months and all MPs can participate.

Gerald Nash (Louth, Labour)
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It is not the same executive control as here.

Verona Murphy (Wexford, Independent)
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Deputies, allow the Taoiseach to speak.

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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Deputy McDonald and Sinn Féin are not defending any democratic principle.

David Cullinane (Waterford, Sinn Fein)
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Yes we are.

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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You are promoting a destructive model of opposition.

Deputies:

Hear, hear.

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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It is one which tries to import into this Chamber the loud hailer politics of the street, which many of you prefer to doing the business of the people and respecting all mandates. We have very serious issues facing this country. Next week, tariffs will be announced on Europe.

Matt Carthy (Cavan-Monaghan, Sinn Fein)
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You are not concerned about them. You are concerned about getting your deal over the line.

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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We have a housing crisis-----

Conor McGuinness (Waterford, Sinn Fein)
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Who is to blame for that?

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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-----yet this is the number one issue for Sinn Féin. It is what you have always done. You brought down the Northern Ireland Assembly when it suited you and the party's self-interest on a number of occasions.

David Cullinane (Waterford, Sinn Fein)
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Red herring.

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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Your stated objective here is to undermine this institution, to undermine the Government, to reduce the Government majority-----

Ivana Bacik (Dublin Bay South, Labour)
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You have done it yourselves.

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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----and to create mayhem. That is what you are about. Anybody who uses two fingers in this House to another person is wrong and that person should apologise.

Matt Carthy (Cavan-Monaghan, Sinn Fein)
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He is the person who brought your Government together.

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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That would apply to Deputy Lowry. Equally, you should face up and acknowledge that any Deputy waving cameras in the face of other Deputies is wrong. That was never a part and parcel of Leinster House.

David Cullinane (Waterford, Sinn Fein)
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Talk to your own crew.

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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Equally, the intimidatory barracking of newly elected TDs, be they Independent or not, simply because they support the Government is a new low that I have never witnessed before in this House.

Deputies:

Hear, hear.

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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Whatever you think of Deputies Heneghan and Toole, they are newly elected Deputies. You have othered them, consistently pressurised them-----

David Cullinane (Waterford, Sinn Fein)
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You are defending Deputy Michael Lowry again.

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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-----and put them under pressure.

Verona Murphy (Wexford, Independent)
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I thank the Taoiseach.

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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Your declaration of a lack of confidence in the Ceann Comhairle is a further instalment in your overall strategy, declared before this Dáil met, of total opposition.

Verona Murphy (Wexford, Independent)
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I thank the Taoiseach.

David Cullinane (Waterford, Sinn Fein)
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We have a united Opposition.

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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You will do everything to undermine the institutions of this State, to which you have never been very loyal in your long history.

Deputies:

Hear, hear.

Verona Murphy (Wexford, Independent)
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I thank the Taoiseach and call Deputy McDonald.

Mary Lou McDonald (Dublin Central, Sinn Fein)
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Try as you may wish, Taoiseach, with all the tools of deflection, there was one person and one side of the House that undermined democracy yesterday and it was the Government.

Deputies:

Hear, hear.

Mary Lou McDonald (Dublin Central, Sinn Fein)
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Yes, you get to defend your rights as a Government. You have assembled your Government between Fianna Fáil, Fine Gael and the Lowry Independents. That is your prerogative - I absolutely recognise that - but you do not get to put together the Opposition.

Deputies:

Hear, hear.

Mary Lou McDonald (Dublin Central, Sinn Fein)
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That is the point. The most basic rule of the functioning of this place is the distinction between the Government exercising its prerogatives and the Opposition holding it robustly to account. You do not like accountability, Micheál Martin - cry me a river, because you will be held to account. The other basic necessity is the independence and absolute impartiality of the Ceann Comhairle. Very regrettably, yesterday that has been decimated. The Ceann Comhairle no longer enjoys the confidence of the Opposition. I will ask her again to reflect on her position. To be clear, if necessary we will move a no-confidence motion in her.

Deputies:

Hear, hear.

Verona Murphy (Wexford, Independent)
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I thank the Deputy and call the Taoiseach to respond.

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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From the very get-go of this Dáil, you have made the life of the Ceann Comhairle impossible.

Richard Boyd Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, People Before Profit Alliance)
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You did that by pulling a stroke.

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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I endeavoured to speak yesterday. There has been very little commentary on this but it will have been clear to anyone who watched this on television yesterday. I endeavoured to speak yesterday for three minutes in response to Deputy McDonald.

Paul Murphy (Dublin South West, Solidarity)
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You could have just accepted her ruling.

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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Her Deputies, in a co-ordinated, strategic way, determined deliberately to make sure I did not get the opportunity to speak.

David Cullinane (Waterford, Sinn Fein)
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You would not answer the questions.

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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Deputies Doherty and Carthy and so on were orchestrated to shout me down, barrack and not let me have the right to speak. That is what happened yesterday. New precedents have been set in this Dáil by your co-ordinated strategy.

David Cullinane (Waterford, Sinn Fein)
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By the Taoiseach and his grubby deal.

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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I know what you are about. You have been at it for a long time and your tactics are well known. However, they will be met by steel on this side of the House. You are not going to run the House, Deputy McDonald, and Sinn Féin will not run the House.

Deputies:

Hear, hear.

Matt Carthy (Cavan-Monaghan, Sinn Fein)
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You are trying to run the Opposition and that is the crux of the problem here.

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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I am open to working with people as I have over the past five years on an ongoing basis.

Richard Boyd Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, People Before Profit Alliance)
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You did not even meet us.

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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I have been very clear from day one-----

Verona Murphy (Wexford, Independent)
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I thank the Taoiseach.

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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-----about what Sinn Féin has been about in this Dáil. It was manifest on day one.

Verona Murphy (Wexford, Independent)
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Taoiseach, the time is up.

Réada Cronin (Kildare North, Sinn Fein)
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What has he got on you?

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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New precedents have been set. I do not believe this Dáil will ever be the same again-----

Pádraig Mac Lochlainn (Donegal, Sinn Fein)
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Because of what you have done.

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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-----because of what has transpired over the past few weeks. It will never be the same again.

Verona Murphy (Wexford, Independent)
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We move now to Deputy Bacik.

Ivana Bacik (Dublin Bay South, Labour)
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What happened in the Dáil yesterday is without precedent. Yesterday, the Taoiseach and his Government rammed through a scheme to create a sort of new sham Opposition. Let us be clear: the so-called "Other Members' Questions" is a contrivance manufactured purely to placate the Lowry lobby. The regional Independent group, led by Deputy Michael Lowry, is patently stitched into this Government. It helped to construct the programme for Government and some of its members are now Ministers of State. However, it now seems they are to be designated as Opposition in all but name. What does that mean? It means the Standing Orders of our national Parliament have been rearranged in the service of cute hoorism, a grubby stroke driven by the Taoiseach and his Government. In every sense, two fingers have been shown to the Opposition and to the people of this country, because as of yesterday a fundamental principle has been subverted. That is the simple truth that you cannot be in government and in opposition at the same time. The Taoiseach subverted that fundamental principle of the separation of powers.

What happened yesterday is a disgrace. Throughout my career, I have been proud to work constructively and collaboratively across party lines. My colleagues here beside me on the Labour Party benches are the same. This is the Labour Party that I lead. We want to use our voices in the Dáil to represent our communities, to raise the issues that matter to the communities we represent, who are concerned about the housing crisis, the climate catastrophe, disability rights, Trump's threatened tariffs, yes, and of course hideous global conflict. These are the matters we should all be focusing on. That is why we in the Labour Party worked hard over recent weeks, with others, to try to achieve a resolution and to avoid the farce that unfolded yesterday. We tried to work with the Taoiseach and his Fine Gael colleagues to secure a resolution that would be agreeable to Government and Opposition TDs. Indeed, that was in the terms of the agreement made and read out by Hildegarde Naughton in this House on 23 January. Instead of respecting the Opposition's constitutional duty to hold the Government to account, and instead of honouring that agreement to make a compromise, an agreement that was made in good faith, the Taoiseach arrogantly ploughed on. He has undermined basic standards of parliamentary accountability.

This affair has tarnished the Taoiseach and his Government, and now it has tarnished the office of Ceann Comhairle. A Cheann Comhairle, yesterday you deemed the Order of Business passed, despite resounding calls of dissent from the Opposition benches. Without any legitimate democratic basis, you deemed that passed. You did so apparently as part of a prearranged set-up orchestrated with the Government.

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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A prearranged what?

Ivana Bacik (Dublin Bay South, Labour)
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A Cheann Comhairle, you have a duty to apply the rules fairly and impartially under Standing Orders. I deeply regret to say after what we saw yesterday that I do not believe you applied the rules in that matter. That is why this morning, together with my parliamentary party, we agreed to ask you to reflect on your position over the coming days. If necessary, we will have no option but to table a motion of no confidence in you.

Verona Murphy (Wexford, Independent)
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Thank you, Deputy. Your time is up.

Ivana Bacik (Dublin Bay South, Labour)
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I regret that it has come to this.

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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I will say to the Deputy that the Chief Whip worked extremely hard for over 20 hours with the Whips of other parties to resolve this particular issue.

Richard Boyd Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, People Before Profit Alliance)
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That is disingenuous.

David Cullinane (Waterford, Sinn Fein)
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This is a sham.

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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By any stretch of the imagination it is stretching credibility to suggest that the resolution put forward by the Chief Whip in any way confers Opposition status on other TDs. I outlined that earlier when I reminded Deputy McDonald that in other parliaments it is a matter of form and norm that non-government deputies and government deputies who are not officeholders get to ask questions. The Deputy wants to deny that. What is the underlying issue here? That question has been asked. The underlying issue here is the formation of the Government.

David Cullinane (Waterford, Sinn Fein)
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The underlying issue is Michael Lowry.

Verona Murphy (Wexford, Independent)
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Deputies, allow the Taoiseach to speak.

Verona Murphy (Wexford, Independent)
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I remember reading the Irish Independent some time ago. Let us be honest - the only group of people who wanted to help to facilitate a Government was the regional Independents.

Gerald Nash (Louth, Labour)
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You could not wait to do a deal with them as the quickest route to office.

David Cullinane (Waterford, Sinn Fein)
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You did not even talk to us.

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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The headline in the newspaper read:

'We'll meet big three, but with no intention of going into government' - Ivana Bacik rules Labour out of coalition.

According to the article, it is recorded in the minutes of the Labour Party's national executive that they "will meet the big three as a courtesy, but with no intention of going into government".

Gerald Nash (Louth, Labour)
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Given the strokes you have pulled, we are glad we did not.

Verona Murphy (Wexford, Independent)
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Please.

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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That is the reality facing the Dáil.

David Cullinane (Waterford, Sinn Fein)
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Deflect, deflect, deflect.

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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The Labour Party had no sincerity about going into government, and neither did the Social Democrats. The regional Independent group wanted a Government formed. That is the bottom line here. There is an obligation to form a Government. Now, may I say-----

Verona Murphy (Wexford, Independent)
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Deputies, please.

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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-----just because people keep making false assertions-----

Conor McGuinness (Waterford, Sinn Fein)
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Such as 40,000 houses.

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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-----that the Chief Whip never gave a nod?

Ivana Bacik (Dublin Bay South, Labour)
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You pontificate but you never answer the question.

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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The nod became a thumbs-up.

Mary Lou McDonald (Dublin Central, Sinn Fein)
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Sure we saw it.

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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This is all Sinn Féin-speak, and now Deputy Bacik is parroting it. The Labour Party has tied itself to the hip of Sinn Féin and will regret it.

Conor McGuinness (Waterford, Sinn Fein)
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The Taoiseach has tied himself to Deputy Michael Lowry and will regret it.

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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I know the Labour Party a long time. I know a lot of ordinary Labour Party supporters who are not happy with the way it has become an appendage to the Sinn Féin Party.

Alan Kelly (Tipperary North, Labour)
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We are around a lot longer than you guys.

Verona Murphy (Wexford, Independent)
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Deputies, please.

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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When Deputy Bacik used the phrase "prearranged"-----

Gerald Nash (Louth, Labour)
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Do not patronise the Labour Party.

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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-----she was parroting the Sinn Féin false assertion.

David Cullinane (Waterford, Sinn Fein)
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It was prearranged.

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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I do not mind Deputy Bacik having a different view - of course we all have different views and different perspectives - but-----

Paul Murphy (Dublin South West, Solidarity)
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Are you saying it was not prearranged?

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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-----she cannot make deliberately false assertions, just generally.

David Cullinane (Waterford, Sinn Fein)
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It is not false.

Mary Lou McDonald (Dublin Central, Sinn Fein)
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It is not false.

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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It is false.

David Cullinane (Waterford, Sinn Fein)
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It is not false.

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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There was nothing preconceived. The Ceann Comhairle has a responsibility that the business of the House gets done. The new tactic is this: if we shout loud enough, if we stop everybody on the Government side from talking and if we create mayhem and chaos, the Ceann Comhairle must then adjourn the Dáil and we get our way.

That cannot be the new precedent either but that is what Sinn Féin has been doing from the very start.

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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Yesterday, I acknowledged that Deputy Bacik stayed quiet at the beginning and allowed me speak and so on. Deputy Kelly broke loose at the end.

Alan Kelly (Tipperary North, Labour)
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Broke loose.

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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The Deputy could not contain himself any longer. They stood up and joined the new-----

Gerald Nash (Louth, Labour)
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The Taoiseach has lost the run of himself. He is making it worse.

Verona Murphy (Wexford, Independent)
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I call Deputy Bacik to respond.

Ivana Bacik (Dublin Bay South, Labour)
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It seems that not only is the Taoiseach becoming increasingly tetchy as Taoiseach, but increasingly patronising.

Gerald Nash (Louth, Labour)
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The Taoiseach is losing the run of himself.

Ivana Bacik (Dublin Bay South, Labour)
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Nobody has ever accused the Labour Party of not being serious. We are a serious party. We were serious about entry into government.

Gerald Nash (Louth, Labour)
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Clean up their mess.

Alan Kelly (Tipperary North, Labour)
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We are the oldest party in the State.

Ivana Bacik (Dublin Bay South, Labour)
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We are a serious party that was serious about seeking to achieve change in Ireland.

James Lawless (Kildare North, Fianna Fail)
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Used to be a serious party.

Ivana Bacik (Dublin Bay South, Labour)
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That is what we have always been about. I am proud to lead our party. We parrot nobody.

Yesterday’s events in the Dáil were unprecedented. We witnessed what happened. We are deeply regretful that the Ceann Comhairle’s office was dragged into this. It is with great regret that I expressed the view that the Ceann Comhairle’s position is untenable but let us be clear that this is a mess of the Government’s making, and the Taoiseach in collusion with Michael Lowry. I agree with the Taoiseach on one thing. It was deeply wrong of a Deputy, of Michael Lowry, to give two fingers in the national Parliament. It was deeply wrong and deeply disrespectful. The Taoiseach said it was wrong. I hope the Taoiseach will call on him to apologise. I hope the Ceann Comhairle will call on him to apologise, but what happened yesterday was a farce of the Taoiseach’s making.

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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I said what Deputy Lowry did was wrong but Deputy Bacik omitted to say what Deputy Paul Murphy did was wrong.

Paul Murphy (Dublin South West, Solidarity)
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Come on.

Mark Wall (Kildare South, Labour)
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Your own Minister did it.

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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Does Deputy Bacik not remember what Deputy Paul Murphy did to her former leader, Joan Burton? Does the Deputy not remember that?

Darragh O'Brien (Dublin Fingal East, Fianna Fail)
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It is the same thing.

Gerald Nash (Louth, Labour)
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Two wrongs.

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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These are Deputy Bacik’s new allies. What Deputy Paul Murphy did yesterday in waving phones around was unacceptable behaviour in the Dáil.

Ivana Bacik (Dublin Bay South, Labour)
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That is one event.

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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Equally unacceptable is the deliberate constant barracking and intimidatory behaviour.

Alan Kelly (Tipperary North, Labour)
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And for a Minister to do it as well.

David Cullinane (Waterford, Sinn Fein)
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Deflect it.

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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I respect the Labour Party but two aspects of Deputy Bacik’s behaviour in this Dáil concern me. The first is the Deputy’s lack of sincerity in terms of the whole government formation matter.

Alan Kelly (Tipperary North, Labour)
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Done deal.

Ivana Bacik (Dublin Bay South, Labour)
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The second is the Deputy’s attitude to people, whether she likes them or disagrees with them, who are elected TDs, particularly newly elected TDs, such as Deputy Toole and Heneghan. The manner in which Deputy Bacik has addressed them, the names the Deputy is using-----

David Cullinane (Waterford, Sinn Fein)
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Not Michael Lowry.

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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The Deputy is refusing to call them by their proper titles and so on. That is a kind of othering I would not have expected from Deputy Bacik in times past.

Alan Kelly (Tipperary North, Labour)
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So you do not use nicknames at all, no?

Cian O'Callaghan (Dublin Bay North, Social Democrats)
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Yesterday, I asked the Taoiseach to name a single parliament in the world where there is a time slot on the schedule where 100% of the time is given to the Government members of that parliament and he did not answer. Today, the Taoiseach came in with a list of parliaments where government MPs can ask oral questions. That has always been the case in Ireland where Government TDs can ask oral questions. They can ask questions under Questions on Policy or Legislation and under Taoiseach’s Questions as well, and the Government is getting rid of half of those.

A Cheann Comhairle, the role of Ceann Comhairle in defending the democratic processes in this Dáil and the interests of all Members impartially is very important. It is essential that the Ceann Comhairle enjoys the confidence of both Government and Opposition. Clearly, this is no longer the case and you need to reflect on that position.

Yesterday, the mask slipped. The enduring image of the day was Michael Lowry giving the two fingers. A TD, who has been found to be grossly corrupt, laughing it up as the Taoiseach did his bidding sums it all up. The derision and the contempt that is at the heart of this Government was clearly exposed. Michael Lowry was cock-a-hoop, and who can blame him? The Taoiseach had just ripped up more than 100 years of parliamentary procedure for him. The question we all want answered is: why is the Taoiseach jumping through the hoops for Michael Lowry?

I have listened to the Taoiseach demean the concerns about this stitch up. For generations, we have had Governments and Oppositions, each one charged with a distinct duty - one empowered to run the country and the other to hold that power accountable. After yesterday’s debacle, we have a muddying of the waters, an attempt to disguise Government backbenchers as members of the Opposition by bestowing them with the same speaking rights as opposition leaders. The notion that they will use this time to hold the Government to account is laughable. No one buys it, least of all the Taoiseach.

The arrogant dismissal of the public’s concerns is not working. They can see very clearly through the Government’s spin to what is really going on here. What we have is a Government that is drunk on power trying to damage the Opposition’s ability to hold it accountable. That is a serious infringement of the job we were elected to do and a slap in the face of the people who voted for us.

If ever a government needed to be held to account, this one does. It is barely a few months old and its record is already one of failure. The Government is flailing around on housing as the situation deteriorates from disaster to catastrophe. Children with disabilities and their families are being betrayed and abandoned. Pre-election promises, such as enacting the occupied territories Bill, have been kicked to touch. Clearly, it is not only Michael Lowry showing disrespect to the public. Will the Taoiseach come clean and tell us what he promised Michael Lowry in return for his support for this Government?

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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First of all, from day one this Government has been focused on the issues. I have been focused on the issues-----

Matt Carthy (Cavan-Monaghan, Sinn Fein)
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How many pieces of legislation did the Government bring forward?

David Cullinane (Waterford, Sinn Fein)
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Extra Ministers.

Matt Carthy (Cavan-Monaghan, Sinn Fein)
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Extra Ministers and extra pay for them. That is it.

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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-----in terms of housing, disability and the economic challenges facing us and the geopolitical challenges – a war on our Continent that we all want to end on a fair and just basis, an end to the slaughter in Gaza and the violence across the Middle East and the need for a durable ceasefire there. By the way, the Government and Ministers have been going about their work, unlike Deputy Cian O’Callaghan. The Deputy and others in this House, over eight minutes a day for non-Government TDs, 60 of whom will probably get one opportunity a year, are saying that is the equivalent to the Opposition getting time every day. The Deputy’s party gets more time this time as compared to last Dáil. They have chosen to make this the big issue, not the Government side.

Matt Carthy (Cavan-Monaghan, Sinn Fein)
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You voted to change Standing Orders.

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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The Chief Whip endeavoured to get a reasonable solution because people are entitled to speak. People are entitled to ask questions as well in our view, irrespective of whether they are a Government TD or not. By the way, Government TDs have been saying this for a long time, in particular with their experience in the last Dáil where groups with two or three TDs get far more mandates than parties with 40 TDs. What has been going on in the Dáil since 2016 has not been proportionate, if people want my honest opinion. There is no proportionality in terms of parties with 30 plus or 40 plus members. We have had two or three people over there trying to dictate this Dáil for a long time. That is over. That is not going to happen anymore. Just get that into your head.

What I will say to Deputy O’Callaghan is this-----

Richard Boyd Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, People Before Profit Alliance)
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It is all out now. Giving the game away now.

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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Deputy O’Callaghan made no effort and he has to be honest here. The Deputy made no sincere effort to form a government.

A Deputy:

Put the camera on him.

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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Deputy O’Callaghan trots out the line all of the time, laced with innuendo and suggestion, of "Who has something over you?" It is dark stuff and that is deliberate smearing by innuendo.

Matt Carthy (Cavan-Monaghan, Sinn Fein)
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Answer the question. What does Lowry have on you?

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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On the only issue between this Government and the Independents, I will be honest about it. I have a record in this House of supporting stability and formation of Government. I did it in 2016 with confidence and supply.

Richard Boyd Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, People Before Profit Alliance)
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The crash was a good imitation of stability.

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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We were involved in negotiating the programme for Government and I did it at a time when the country faced a significant threat from Brexit. We managed to facilitate a government, and no one said we should not have the rights of an Opposition in terms of tabling questions, even though we had negotiating influence on the budgets and so on. That happened because I believe governments should be formed after a general election. That is my motivation. Deputy O’Callaghan did not believe it. Deputy Bacik did not believe it. I do. I take it as a serious responsibility.

The only group that came forward and that wanted to facilitate a majority in this House was the Regional Independent Group. What this is all about-----

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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I am around long enough to know what this is about. This is not about feigned sort of democrat-----

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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This is about reducing the majority of this Government from day one.

Gerald Nash (Louth, Labour)
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It is about a deal with Michael Lowry.

Verona Murphy (Wexford, Independent)
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Thank you, Taoiseach.

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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There has been an effort here to undermine this Government from day one. That is what is afoot.

Cian O'Callaghan (Dublin Bay North, Social Democrats)
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I thank the Taoiseach. I would ask him to get this into his head. I have asked him the question: “What is your deal with Michael Lowry?” Is the Taoiseach saying he made no deal with Michael Lowry to support the Government? Is that what he is saying? Is he saying there was no deal?

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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I will come back-----

Cian O'Callaghan (Dublin Bay North, Social Democrats)
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Was there no deal at all? Is that what the Taoiseach is saying? Is he saying he made no deal with Michael Lowry about these speaking rights at any stage, that there were no agreements, that he has done this off his own bat and that this is entirely his own initiative even though from day one Michael Lowry was saying that he was going to get these special speaking rights that Opposition leaders get?

From day one he was saying that. How was he able to say that with such confidence if there was no deal with the Taoiseach? How come if there was no deal with the Taoiseach he has gone and fought tooth and nail to deliver on what he was saying he was going to get from day one? Does you really think that is credible, that you have gone to all this effort just because you have no deal, apparently, with Michael Lowry and you gave him no commitments?

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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Sorry, the bottom line is the deal was the formation of Government in terms of the programme for Government. The now Minister of State, Deputy Marian Harkin, went through the programme for Government line by line. Deputy Seán Canney, now Minister of State – all the independent group – went through the programme for Government. Deputy Michael Healy-Rae – Minister of State - went through the programme for Government. Deputy Danny Healy-Rae went through the programme for Government. That was the issue.

Matt Carthy (Cavan-Monaghan, Sinn Fein)
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The increase in carbon taxes.

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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Independent Ireland, for example, was not happy with aspects of the programme for Government and we were not prepared to accept some of the issues it wanted us to deal with. Independent Ireland actually had a decent discussion with us but there were some demands that we were not prepared to concede. But the Regional Independent Group went through it line by line. It was policy based but the Deputy will never accept that. He will just throw out the innuendo and the smear. “The deal.” It is great to be able to say it.

Paul Murphy (Dublin South West, Solidarity)
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Was there a deal on speaking time?

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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The bottom line is ----

Paul Murphy (Dublin South West, Solidarity)
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Was there a deal?

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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On speaking time, no. And by the way, the Regional Independent Group would, I would say, prefer a far different arrangement than what is being proposed by the Chief Whip.

Pearse Doherty (Donegal, Sinn Fein)
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They tried it and they did not get it.

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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In respect of what by any yard stick ----

Pearse Doherty (Donegal, Sinn Fein)
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They tried it at the start and then you came up with this concoction.

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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----it is a very modest rebalancing -----

Verona Murphy (Wexford, Independent)
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Thank you, Taoiseach.

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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-----where you get eight minutes on a Wednesday, eight minutes on a Thursday.

John Brady (Wicklow, Sinn Fein)
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It has cut Taoiseach's Questions in half.

Verona Murphy (Wexford, Independent)
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Thank you, Taoiseach. Time is up.

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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It is a joke.

Verona Murphy (Wexford, Independent)
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I now move to Deputy Ruth Coppinger.

Ruth Coppinger (Dublin West, Solidarity)
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Today in my Leaders’ Questions, I wanted to raise the absolutely desperate situation in Palestine, the Government’s failure to even meet the UN special rapporteur in Leinster House last week and issues such as the special needs crisis, the health workers and so many other issues but today we have to come back to this again because of what happened yesterday.

Comments have been made about the unpleasantness of the protest yesterday. I even heard some claims of misogyny which I found extremely cynical from one of the most male-dominated governments on the planet.

Mary Lou McDonald (Dublin Central, Sinn Fein)
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Hear, hear.

Ruth Coppinger (Dublin West, Solidarity)
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It strikes me that the Ceann Comhairle is a woman who knows her own mind and took a decision yesterday, unfortunately, to co-operate with what was a very co-ordinated move not to allow Order of Business properly, to jettison Questions on Promised Legislation and so on. However, I want to move the focus back on the Taoiseach because he knew that these proposals were opposed by the Opposition and he took a decision to foist them without debate yesterday. What did he think was going to happen? Does he think any of this would have happened if there had been a debate yesterday?

Do not forget that in January Deputy Martin was very anxious to get himself elected as Taoiseach and his party stood over there and made a promise to the Dáil that there would be consensus. Nothing would happen without consensus. He broke that promise like we have seen him break promises about the housing figures, on disability funding, free HRT and all the things that were promised before the election.

It is important to bring home for the general public what this is actually about. This is the Government removing itself more and more from being challenged in a real way. Journalists are saying the bombs in Gaza are more important than what has happened. Who do you think is going to question the Taoiseach more about the bombs in Gaza?

Richard Boyd Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, People Before Profit Alliance)
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Exactly.

Mary Lou McDonald (Dublin Central, Sinn Fein)
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Hear, hear.

Ruth Coppinger (Dublin West, Solidarity)
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Is it the Lowry lackies, the Government, or people who actually care about the Palestine solidarity movement? That is who. Who is more likely to really interrogate the Government on a whole range of issues?

This is the Government preparing itself for unpopular decisions that it will have to take on water charges, cost of living, the triple lock, militarisation but today and next Wednesday, instead of Taoiseach’s questions, we will have Michael Lowry questioning the Taoiseach. Michael Lowry, I want to remind the Taoiseach, is the character he is doing all this for, who was found to be profoundly corrupt by a tribunal in a breathtaking fashion. Does the Taoiseach have any qualms whatever doing business with Michael Lowry? This is someone who gave two fingers to the public yesterday and then went and gaslit the population that he did not actually done it. Someone who can lie at the drop of a hat like that – has the Taoiseach any qualms at all about doing business with him?

This Government is becoming very good at gaslighting. It is reciting a mantra of “eight minutes”. Why would the Taoiseach die on a ditch over eight minutes?

Mairéad Farrell (Galway West, Sinn Fein)
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Hear, hear.

Ruth Coppinger (Dublin West, Solidarity)
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He is saying we are making a mountain out of a molehill. This is about him cutting the Opposition’s rights and entitlements to interrogate him.

Deputies:

Hear, hear.

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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First, I stand over the Government’s record on Gaza. I do not accept the Deputy’s criticism on that.

Matt Carthy (Cavan-Monaghan, Sinn Fein)
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That is why you do not want to be questioned by the Opposition.

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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We have been very clear in our condemnation of Israeli violence in Gaza-----

Mary Lou McDonald (Dublin Central, Sinn Fein)
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No, you have not.

John Brady (Wicklow, Sinn Fein)
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What about the Occupied Territories Bill?

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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-----and equally of our condemnation of Hamas's atrocity on 7 October, something which the Deputy and her colleagues have never condemned which I think is a shame and a stain on you that you have never condemned what was an appalling slaughter of the innocents. It is noticeable that you have always refused to do that.

Look at this morning. We have had Leaders’ Questions from whom? From Deputies McDonald, Bacik, Deputy Coppinger herself, Deputy O’Callaghan and others.

Mary Lou McDonald (Dublin Central, Sinn Fein)
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Yes. The Opposition.

Matt Carthy (Cavan-Monaghan, Sinn Fein)
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The Opposition. That is what Leaders' Questions is supposed to be.

John Brady (Wicklow, Sinn Fein)
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You could have had Michael Lowry in there as well. Would he like the Tánaiste to ask a question?

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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The public will see all of this over the coming weeks. This is feigned outrage. It is very modest, the Deputy is correct. The Deputy asked a question. I am not dying in any ditch. I think it is a reasonable, balanced solution which took about 20 hours.

John Brady (Wicklow, Sinn Fein)
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I am not sure about that.

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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By the way, the commitment of the former Chief Whip was to engage fully with the Dáil reform committee and to work to secure an agreement as soon as possible that was acceptable to the Government and Opposition. Not just Opposition but to the Government as well-----

Denise Mitchell (Dublin Bay North, Sinn Fein)
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And Opposition.

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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-----as regards formation of technical groups and the rights of unaligned Members.

David Cullinane (Waterford, Sinn Fein)
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You got it right for one party but not the other.

John Brady (Wicklow, Sinn Fein)
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You got 50% there.

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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I have said the precedents that have been set by the Opposition of this Dáil will be very hard to overturn in future Dáileanna.

Mary Lou McDonald (Dublin Central, Sinn Fein)
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Like what?

David Cullinane (Waterford, Sinn Fein)
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Explain that.

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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I think this situation is a new departure. I will say why because the Deputies are going through the various procedures which a Ceann Comhairle was meant to do. The Ceann Comhairle, in my view, repeatedly asked Sinn Féin to table its amendment and it refused to do so.

Richard Boyd Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, People Before Profit Alliance)
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They did not.

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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I was there; I witnessed it. Four times. The point I am making is this. If it is the tactic-----

Mary Lou McDonald (Dublin Central, Sinn Fein)
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Go away with you.

David Cullinane (Waterford, Sinn Fein)
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That is not true.

A Deputy:

Bullshit.

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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I was here yesterday and I endeavoured to respond to Deputy McDonald and, in an organised manner, the Sinn Féin Deputies in particular conspired to make sure that my voice could not be heard. The same thing happened to the Ceann Comhairle by any objective observation.

Deputies:

Hear, hear.

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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The Ceann Comhairle stood up on a number of occasions. All of you were barracking, shouting, intimidatory behaviour, aggression. Deputy Doherty - there was naked aggression from you in your approach and posture.

Deputies:

Hear, hear.

David Cullinane (Waterford, Sinn Fein)
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That is out of order.

Cathy Bennett (Cavan-Monaghan, Sinn Fein)
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Shame on you.

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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That is what I witnessed yesterday. It is form for you, too, by the way.

David Cullinane (Waterford, Sinn Fein)
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That is out of order.

Pearse Doherty (Donegal, Sinn Fein)
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Play the man, Micheál. Play the man. What you did was a disgrace and you know it.

Mary Lou McDonald (Dublin Central, Sinn Fein)
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Yes. An absolute disgrace.

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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That is very regrettable-----

Verona Murphy (Wexford, Independent)
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Deputies, please.

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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-----in my view and it is a precedent that has been set. It cannot be opposition by veto. This House cannot be run on the basis that if the Ceann Comhairle of the day, whatever Ceann Comhairle -----

David Cullinane (Waterford, Sinn Fein)
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You cannot be in Government and Opposition.

Ruth Coppinger (Dublin West, Solidarity)
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Is there any chance of answering the question about Michael Lowry?

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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-----does not agree with the Opposition's perspective or approach then the Ceann Comhairle loses the confidence of the Opposition.

Mary Lou McDonald (Dublin Central, Sinn Fein)
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That is not correct. That is nonsense.

Pádraig Mac Lochlainn (Donegal, Sinn Fein)
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That is utter nonsense.

David Cullinane (Waterford, Sinn Fein)
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That is nonsense.

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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This is not a normal Dáil. That is the precedent that is being set. I saw yesterday Sinn Féin in particular endeavouring to prevent procedures from being implemented, processed and properly followed through.

Verona Murphy (Wexford, Independent)
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Thank you, Taoiseach. Deputy Coppinger to respond.

David Cullinane (Waterford, Sinn Fein)
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It is a grubby deal.

John Brady (Wicklow, Sinn Fein)
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What about our amendment?

Ruth Coppinger (Dublin West, Solidarity)
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Once again, the Taoiseach deflects completely -----

Denise Mitchell (Dublin Bay North, Sinn Fein)
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Hear, hear.

Ruth Coppinger (Dublin West, Solidarity)
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-----and does not answer the question about Michael Lowry and doing business with him. Michael Lowry who, as I said, was found by a tribunal to have received payments in the order of at least £180,000 from somebody he gave a mobile phone licence to and who is now a multi billionaire. You do not get more corrupt than that and the Taoiseach has no qualms.

Mary Lou McDonald (Dublin Central, Sinn Fein)
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Hear, hear.

Ruth Coppinger (Dublin West, Solidarity)
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Taoiseach's questions is being halved.

Richard Boyd Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, People Before Profit Alliance)
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Yes.

Ruth Coppinger (Dublin West, Solidarity)
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Hundreds of Taoiseach's questions will not be asked. For example, personally, in that slot, I have raised repeal when nobody else in this Dáil was interested. I raised trans healthcare and many other topics that there is no way any of the Taoiseach's backbenchers will ask him about. We heard a lot about the terrible plight of the lonely backbencher. My heart was bleeding until I remembered that these backbenchers have direct access and an inside track to Ministers. They frequently organise meetings in constituencies with Ministers to which they do not invite Opposition TDs.

Paul McAuliffe (Dublin North-West, Fianna Fail)
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Some of us might like to raise matters in the Chamber.

Christopher O'Sullivan (Cork South-West, Fianna Fail)
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They are representing their constituents.

Ruth Coppinger (Dublin West, Solidarity)
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There is this idea that they are in this terrible position. They can speak at any time should they choose to.

Verona Murphy (Wexford, Independent)
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The Deputy's time is up.

Ruth Coppinger (Dublin West, Solidarity)
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I want to finish by saying this is in line with anti-democratic measures that parliaments are taking across Europe. They are using their majorities to cut across the right to protest and democratic rights. They are doing it in the UK today cutting welfare rights-----

Verona Murphy (Wexford, Independent)
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Thank you. Time is up Deputy. Taoiseach to respond.

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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The Ministers of State, Deputies Harkin, Grealish and Canney, and Deputies Toole, Heneghan, Nolan and McGrath - who have voted against the Government by the way-----

Matt Carthy (Cavan-Monaghan, Sinn Fein)
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Do not forget Deputy Lowry.

John Brady (Wicklow, Sinn Fein)
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Thick and thin.

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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Yes, and Deputy Lowry. I will just make the point that the only name that comes from you is Deputy Lowry, not the others. There is a problem there.

Matt Carthy (Cavan-Monaghan, Sinn Fein)
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Because he is the ringleader, he was the negotiator.

Pádraig Mac Lochlainn (Donegal, Sinn Fein)
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He is the kingmaker.

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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We need as a Dáil to respect the mandate of every Deputy in this House.

Ruth Coppinger (Dublin West, Solidarity)
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You do not respect us.

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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What I have witnessed over the last while is a very deliberate attempt to undermine the rights of certain Independents.

David Cullinane (Waterford, Sinn Fein)
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By you.

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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There are other Independents, by the way. Other Independents need to be facilitated as well, in my view. That was part of what was meant to be in the facilitation of non-aligned TDs. By the way, many Opposition TDs come to meet me on different issues or they will raise issues with me. I will always try to respond, as do Ministers.

Richard Boyd Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, People Before Profit Alliance)
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You have not responded to our letter.

Ruth Coppinger (Dublin West, Solidarity)
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Michael Lowry, the question I asked?

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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We have always had that tradition in the House where we try to respond to issues that people will raise with us. I respect the mandate. People are elected here. Again I come back to this. The most fundamental obligation after a general election is to form a Government. I take that seriously, along with the Tánaiste.

Máire Devine (Dublin South Central, Sinn Fein)
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You said that.

Verona Murphy (Wexford, Independent)
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Thank you Taoiseach, time is up.

Micheál Martin (Cork South-Central, Fianna Fail)
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The Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael parties were short the requisite majority to form a Government that could last four to five years. That is the genesis of this in terms of the Regional Independents Group wanting to co-operate----

Verona Murphy (Wexford, Independent)
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Thank you, Taoiseach.

Matt Carthy (Cavan-Monaghan, Sinn Fein)
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It is the deal that was done. That is the genesis there.