Louise O'Reilly (Dublin Fingal West, Sinn Fein)
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84. To ask the Minister for Employment Affairs and Social Protection if he intends to abolish the means test for the carer’s allowance; if this will be phased out; if he can provide a detailed timeline for it; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [9019/25]

Louise O'Reilly (Dublin Fingal West, Sinn Fein)
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This is a subject we discussed at length during the most recent election. I am pleased that, due to pressure from the organisations representing carers and from members of the Opposition, including my party, the two parties that now make up two thirds of the Government committed to the abolition of the means test for carers. As yet, we do not have a detailed timeline in relation to that. My question relates to the means by which this will be done, and the timeline.

Dara Calleary (Mayo, Fianna Fail)
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The carer’s allowance is the main scheme by which my Department provides income support to carers in the community. There are currently 98,311 people in receipt of carer's allowance. Expenditure on the scheme in 2025 is estimated at over €1.24 billion.

The primary objective of the carer's allowance payment is to provide an income support to people whose earning capacity is substantially reduced. In the case of other payments to people aged under 66, this may be because the person is ill, disabled or becomes unemployed. In the case of carer’s allowance, it is to acknowledge that a person cannot work full-time owing to his or her caring responsibilities.

We have made a number of significant improvements to income thresholds in the means test in recent years. In July this year, the weekly income disregard for carer's allowance will increase from €450 to €625 for a single person and from €900 to €1,250 for carers with a spouse or partner. This amounts to cumulative increases to the disregards of €292.50 and €585, respectively, since June 2022, an 88% increase.

As the Deputy said, the programme for Government sets out a timeline which commits to continue to increase the income disregards for carer’s allowance in each budget, with a view, subject to budgetary space, to ultimately phasing out the means test during the lifetime of this Government. This is a significant commitment, costing a minimum of €600 million per annum. That figure is based on existing claimants of carer's allowance who would qualify for a higher payment, plus existing recipients of domiciliary care allowance and the carer's support grant who would become eligible if the means test was removed. This also assumes new claim inflows remain unchanged. However, the cost stretches to a potential €3 billion per annum if everybody who self-declared as a carer in census 2022 was to qualify.

Most important, I want to make progress but we have to make it in a way that is sustainable and that balances the allocation of the available budgetary resources each year across all priorities. That is why we have committed to a measured and phased approach over the five budgets we plan to deliver in the lifetime of this Government.

Louise O'Reilly (Dublin Fingal West, Sinn Fein)
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I will have to substantially redefine my understanding of what a significant commitment means if that is what the Minister believes it means. I asked for a detailed timeline and what I got instead from the Minister was a very watery indication that he might at some point do something. We talked at lot about this during the election. The commitment was given and carers need to know it will happen.

In March 2024, the previous Minister announced an interdepartmental group on carers. I have not seen its report, if it has been published. As of last week, I had not seen it. That report needs to be published. If it has not been published, can the Minister commit to its publication?

The Minister referred to a figure of €3 billion. We all read that figure in the media. I have not seen a detailed breakdown. The figure of €3 billion, as the Minister said, refers to where every single person doing any kind of caring declares themselves. The Minister knows that will not be the figure, so it is a red herring that has been put out there.

The Minister needs to be clear that this is a commitment given by the Government and that it will be done by the end of the Dáil term. That is not what he said in his reply. He said he might try. Carers deserve that commitment. They save the State approximately €20 billion each year. The State needs them and they need to know the Minister will look after them.

Dara Calleary (Mayo, Fianna Fail)
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We have been clear that we will increase the income disregards for carer's allowance in each budget. It is our intention to phase out the means test during the lifetime of this Government. We were clear on that in the programme for Government and I am clear on it as Minister for Social Protection.

I value the work of carers, which is incredibly important, but I would be wrong to say we will do this by a certain date. We have five budgets. We will engage with the carers organisations as we prepare for the first budget, and with carers generally. I will engage with the Oireachtas committee on social protection, when it is formed, on this issue.

This is a priority for me and the Government. I am confident that we will be able to fulfil our commitment, but budgets have to be negotiated each year. I assure the Deputy and carers that carers will be a priority. As we negotiate our budget priorities each year, this commitment will be a priority.

Louise O'Reilly (Dublin Fingal West, Sinn Fein)
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According to Family Carers Ireland, three in four of the family carers it surveyed indicated that the people they support do not receive sufficient formal support and 72% had never received any respite. The Minister should think about how his words will sound to a person who is stuck at home and does not have access to respite, as is the case for most people. As the Minister knows, that is because the waiting lists are chronic and the lack of staff is causing severe distress for people.

The Minister gave a commitment that it would be phased back and he is walking it back now and saying he will do his best in negotiations and the budget has to be negotiated. Will he give an indication of how he will get it phased out? If this Government does run its full term, and I think I am not the only person in this State who wishes that it will not, is he saying definitively that by its end the means test for carers will be abolished? Is he confident that will be the case? That is the kind of rhetoric that he and his party engaged in during the run up to the election.

Dara Calleary (Mayo, Fianna Fail)
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No one has an exclusive concern for carers. The last Government did a great deal of work in increasing the income disregard and the carer’s support grant. I intend to engage with all the carers organisations around that. I am very focused on the work they do and the burden they face on a daily basis. There is a commitment in the programme for Government that we will phase out the means test over the lifetime of the Government. I do not know where we will be this time next year or this time two years in relation to budgetary allocations. It is my intention to deliver on the programme for Government commitment in relation to carers that we will, over the course of five years, phase out the income disregard.

On the Deputy’s other query about the report, I hope to receive that in the next few weeks and we will consider that. I would like to see it debated at the committee on social protection and, most importantly, would like to see a debate with the carers groups and the carers themselves around that report.