Dáil debates

Thursday, 24 October 2019

Public Ownership of the National Broadband Network: Motion (Resumed) [Private Members]

 

The following motion was moved by Deputy Sean Sherlock on Wednesday, 23 October 2019:

Debate resumed on amendment No. 2:

1:15 pm

Photo of Seán Ó FearghaílSeán Ó Fearghaíl (Kildare South, Ceann Comhairle)
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I must now deal with a postponed division relating to the motion on Public Ownership of the National Broadband Network. On Wednesday, 23 October 2019, on the question that amendment No. 2 to the motion be agreed to, a division was claimed and in accordance with Standing Order 70(2), that division must be taken now.

Amendment put:

The Dáil divided: Tá, 49; Níl, 87; Staon, 0.


Tellers: Tá, Deputies Seán Kyne and Tony McLoughlin; Níl, Deputies Brendan Ryan and Jan O'Sullivan.

Maria Bailey, Seán Barrett, Pat Breen, Colm Brophy, Richard Bruton, Peter Burke, Seán Canney, Joe Carey, Marcella Corcoran Kennedy, Simon Coveney, Michael Creed, Michael D'Arcy, Pat Deering, Paschal Donohoe, Andrew Doyle, Bernard Durkan, Damien English, Alan Farrell, Charles Flanagan, Noel Grealish, Brendan Griffin, John Halligan, Simon Harris, Martin Heydon, Heather Humphreys, Paul Kehoe, Seán Kyne, Michael Lowry, Josepha Madigan, Helen McEntee, Finian McGrath, Joe McHugh, Tony McLoughlin, Mary Mitchell O'Connor, Kevin Moran, Dara Murphy, Eoghan Murphy, Denis Naughten, Hildegarde Naughton, Tom Neville, Michael Noonan, Kate O'Connell, Patrick O'Donovan, Fergus O'Dowd, John Paul Phelan, Michael Ring, Noel Rock, David Stanton, Katherine Zappone.

Níl

Gerry Adams, Bobby Aylward, Mick Barry, Richard Boyd Barrett, John Brady, John Brassil, Declan Breathnach, Tommy Broughan, James Browne, Pat Buckley, Joan Burton, Thomas Byrne, Jackie Cahill, Dara Calleary, Pat Casey, Shane Cassells, Lisa Chambers, Joan Collins, Michael Collins, Niall Collins, Catherine Connolly, Ruth Coppinger, Barry Cowen, Seán Crowe, David Cullinane, John Curran, Pearse Doherty, Stephen Donnelly, Timmy Dooley, Dessie Ellis, Martin Ferris, Michael Fitzmaurice, Peter Fitzpatrick, Seán Fleming, Michael Harty, Seán Haughey, Séamus Healy, Brendan Howlin, Alan Kelly, Gino Kenny, Martin Kenny, John Lahart, James Lawless, Marc MacSharry, Catherine Martin, Micheál Martin, Charlie McConalogue, Mary Lou McDonald, Mattie McGrath, Michael McGrath, John McGuinness, Denise Mitchell, Aindrias Moynihan, Michael Moynihan, Imelda Munster, Margaret Murphy O'Mahony, Catherine Murphy, Eugene Murphy, Paul Murphy, Carol Nolan, Darragh O'Brien, Jim O'Callaghan, Willie O'Dea, Kevin O'Keeffe, Louise O'Reilly, Frank O'Rourke, Jan O'Sullivan, Maureen O'Sullivan, Eoin Ó Broin, Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin, Éamon Ó Cuív, Aengus Ó Snodaigh, Willie Penrose, Thomas Pringle, Maurice Quinlivan, Anne Rabbitte, Brendan Ryan, Eamon Ryan, Eamon Scanlon, Seán Sherlock, Róisín Shortall, Brendan Smith, Bríd Smith, Niamh Smyth, Brian Stanley, Peadar Tóibín, Robert Troy.

Amendment declared lost.

1:25 pm

Photo of David CullinaneDavid Cullinane (Waterford, Sinn Fein)
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I move amendment No. 1:

To delete all words after “Dáil Éireann” and substitute the following: “accepts the Report of the Oireachtas Joint Committee on Communications, Climate Action and Environment entitled ‘Report on an investigation to examine the National Broadband Plan process thus far and how best to proceed and the best means to roll-out rural broadband’;

notes that:
— high speed broadband is a vital piece of public infrastructure for rural towns and communities;

— the National Broadband Plan (NBP) is fatally flawed;

— KPMG, in recommending that the private sector design, build, operate and own the infrastructure, stated that this would be the least expensive option and would rank highest on deliverability of objectives, however, this recommendation has utterly failed in that regard;

— a fundamental weakness in the process was the decision to continue with the private sector ‘design, build, operate and own’ model with one bidder;

— the private sector risk in the NBP project is practically non-existent, undermining the rationale for the design of the tender;

— every bidder that has direct experience of building networks and providing broadband services has walked away from the NBP;

— the previous Fine Gael - Labour coalition Government fully endorsed this fundamentally flawed process;

— a State-led approach is a realistic option for the roll-out of rural broadband, were the present process to be scrapped;

— the use of Electricity Supply Board (ESB) infrastructure remains a credible option for the delivery of the NBP;

— high speed broadband in our rural towns, villages and communities is absolutely necessary in order to halt the decline of rural Ireland; and

— there is no justification for the network developed under the NBP to be owned by the minority private investor instead of the majority public investor; and

calls on the Government to:

— accept that the State must now intervene in the NBP and deliver for our rural towns, villages and communities;

— re-engage with the ESB as a matter of urgency to examine the best model for delivery of a new NBP through the ESB infrastructure; and

— accept that all infrastructure developed through the NBP must remain in public ownership.”

Amendment put:

The Dáil divided: Tá, 27; Níl, 106; Staon, 4.


Tellers: Tá, Deputies Aengus Ó Snodaigh and Denise Mitchell; Níl, Deputies Brendan Ryan and Jan O'Sullivan.

Gerry Adams, Mick Barry, Richard Boyd Barrett, John Brady, Pat Buckley, Joan Collins, Ruth Coppinger, Seán Crowe, David Cullinane, Pearse Doherty, Dessie Ellis, Martin Ferris, Séamus Healy, Gino Kenny, Martin Kenny, Mary Lou McDonald, Denise Mitchell, Imelda Munster, Paul Murphy, Louise O'Reilly, Eoin Ó Broin, Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin, Aengus Ó Snodaigh, Maurice Quinlivan, Bríd Smith, Brian Stanley, Peadar Tóibín.

Níl

Bobby Aylward, Maria Bailey, Seán Barrett, John Brassil, Declan Breathnach, Pat Breen, Colm Brophy, James Browne, Richard Bruton, Peter Burke, Joan Burton, Thomas Byrne, Jackie Cahill, Dara Calleary, Seán Canney, Joe Carey, Pat Casey, Shane Cassells, Lisa Chambers, Michael Collins, Niall Collins, Marcella Corcoran Kennedy, Simon Coveney, Barry Cowen, Michael Creed, John Curran, Michael D'Arcy, Pat Deering, Stephen Donnelly, Paschal Donohoe, Timmy Dooley, Andrew Doyle, Bernard Durkan, Damien English, Alan Farrell, Michael Fitzmaurice, Peter Fitzpatrick, Charles Flanagan, Seán Fleming, Noel Grealish, Brendan Griffin, John Halligan, Simon Harris, Michael Harty, Seán Haughey, Martin Heydon, Brendan Howlin, Heather Humphreys, Paul Kehoe, Alan Kelly, Seán Kyne, John Lahart, James Lawless, Michael Lowry, Marc MacSharry, Josepha Madigan, Catherine Martin, Micheál Martin, Charlie McConalogue, Helen McEntee, Finian McGrath, Mattie McGrath, Michael McGrath, John McGuinness, Joe McHugh, Tony McLoughlin, Mary Mitchell O'Connor, Kevin Moran, Aindrias Moynihan, Michael Moynihan, Margaret Murphy O'Mahony, Catherine Murphy, Dara Murphy, Eoghan Murphy, Eugene Murphy, Denis Naughten, Hildegarde Naughton, Tom Neville, Carol Nolan, Michael Noonan, Darragh O'Brien, Jim O'Callaghan, Kate O'Connell, Willie O'Dea, Patrick O'Donovan, Fergus O'Dowd, Kevin O'Keeffe, Frank O'Rourke, Jan O'Sullivan, Éamon Ó Cuív, Willie Penrose, John Paul Phelan, Anne Rabbitte, Michael Ring, Noel Rock, Brendan Ryan, Eamon Ryan, Eamon Scanlon, Seán Sherlock, Róisín Shortall, Brendan Smith, Niamh Smyth, David Stanton, Robert Troy, Leo Varadkar, Katherine Zappone.

Staon

Tommy Broughan, Catherine Connolly, Maureen O'Sullivan, Thomas Pringle.

Amendment declared.

Question put: "That the motion be agreed to."

The Dáil divided: Tá, 87; Níl, 50; Staon, 0.


Tellers: Tá, Deputies Brendan Ryan and Sean Sherlock; Níl, Deputies Seán Kyne and Tony McLoughlin.

Gerry Adams, Bobby Aylward, Mick Barry, Richard Boyd Barrett, John Brady, John Brassil, Declan Breathnach, Tommy Broughan, James Browne, Pat Buckley, Joan Burton, Thomas Byrne, Jackie Cahill, Dara Calleary, Pat Casey, Shane Cassells, Lisa Chambers, Joan Collins, Michael Collins, Niall Collins, Catherine Connolly, Ruth Coppinger, Barry Cowen, Seán Crowe, David Cullinane, John Curran, Pearse Doherty, Stephen Donnelly, Timmy Dooley, Dessie Ellis, Martin Ferris, Michael Fitzmaurice, Peter Fitzpatrick, Seán Fleming, Michael Harty, Seán Haughey, Séamus Healy, Brendan Howlin, Alan Kelly, Gino Kenny, Martin Kenny, John Lahart, James Lawless, Marc MacSharry, Catherine Martin, Micheál Martin, Charlie McConalogue, Mary Lou McDonald, Mattie McGrath, Michael McGrath, John McGuinness, Denise Mitchell, Aindrias Moynihan, Michael Moynihan, Imelda Munster, Margaret Murphy O'Mahony, Catherine Murphy, Eugene Murphy, Paul Murphy, Carol Nolan, Darragh O'Brien, Jim O'Callaghan, Willie O'Dea, Kevin O'Keeffe, Louise O'Reilly, Frank O'Rourke, Jan O'Sullivan, Maureen O'Sullivan, Eoin Ó Broin, Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin, Éamon Ó Cuív, Aengus Ó Snodaigh, Willie Penrose, Thomas Pringle, Maurice Quinlivan, Anne Rabbitte, Brendan Ryan, Eamon Ryan, Eamon Scanlon, Seán Sherlock, Róisín Shortall, Brendan Smith, Bríd Smith, Niamh Smyth, Brian Stanley, Peadar Tóibín, Robert Troy.

Níl

Maria Bailey, Seán Barrett, Pat Breen, Colm Brophy, Richard Bruton, Peter Burke, Seán Canney, Joe Carey, Marcella Corcoran Kennedy, Simon Coveney, Michael Creed, Michael D'Arcy, Pat Deering, Paschal Donohoe, Andrew Doyle, Bernard Durkan, Damien English, Alan Farrell, Charles Flanagan, Noel Grealish, Brendan Griffin, John Halligan, Simon Harris, Martin Heydon, Heather Humphreys, Paul Kehoe, Seán Kyne, Michael Lowry, Josepha Madigan, Helen McEntee, Finian McGrath, Joe McHugh, Tony McLoughlin, Mary Mitchell O'Connor, Kevin Moran, Dara Murphy, Eoghan Murphy, Denis Naughten, Hildegarde Naughton, Tom Neville, Michael Noonan, Kate O'Connell, Patrick O'Donovan, Fergus O'Dowd, John Paul Phelan, Michael Ring, Noel Rock, David Stanton, Leo Varadkar, Katherine Zappone.

Question declared carried.