Dáil debates

Thursday, 17 January 2019

Nurses and Midwives: Motion (Resumed) [Private Members]

 

The following motion was moved by Deputy Stephen S. Donnelly on Wednesday, 16 January 2019:

Debate resumed on amendment No. 1:

- (Minister for Health)

1:25 pm

Photo of Seán Ó FearghaílSeán Ó Fearghaíl (Kildare South, Ceann Comhairle)
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I must now deal with a postponed division relating to amendment No. 1 to the motion regarding nurses and midwives. Yesterday, on the question that the amendment be agreed to, a division was claimed and in accordance with Standing Order 70(2), that division must be taken now.

Amendment again put:

The Dáil divided: Tá, 51; Níl, 87; Staon, 0.


Tellers: Tá, Deputies Seán Kyne and Tony McLoughlin; Níl, Deputies Michael Moynihan and John Lahart.

Maria Bailey, Pat Breen, Colm Brophy, Richard Bruton, Peter Burke, Catherine Byrne, Seán Canney, Ciarán Cannon, Joe Carey, Marcella Corcoran Kennedy, Simon Coveney, Michael Creed, Michael D'Arcy, Jim Daly, John Deasy, Pat Deering, Regina Doherty, Paschal Donohoe, Bernard Durkan, Damien English, Alan Farrell, Frances Fitzgerald, Charles Flanagan, Brendan Griffin, John Halligan, Martin Heydon, Heather Humphreys, Paul Kehoe, Seán Kyne, Michael Lowry, Josepha Madigan, Helen McEntee, Finian McGrath, Joe McHugh, Tony McLoughlin, Mary Mitchell O'Connor, Kevin Moran, Dara Murphy, Eoghan Murphy, Hildegarde Naughton, Tom Neville, Michael Noonan, Kate O'Connell, Patrick O'Donovan, Fergus O'Dowd, John Paul Phelan, Michael Ring, Noel Rock, Shane Ross, David Stanton, Katherine Zappone.

Níl

Gerry Adams, Bobby Aylward, Mick Barry, Richard Boyd Barrett, John Brady, John Brassil, Declan Breathnach, Tommy Broughan, James Browne, Pat Buckley, Joan Burton, Thomas Byrne, Dara Calleary, Pat Casey, Shane Cassells, Jack Chambers, Lisa Chambers, Joan Collins, Michael Collins, Catherine Connolly, Ruth Coppinger, Barry Cowen, Seán Crowe, John Curran, Pearse Doherty, Stephen Donnelly, Timmy Dooley, Dessie Ellis, Michael Fitzmaurice, Peter Fitzpatrick, Seán Fleming, Kathleen Funchion, Pat Gallagher, Michael Harty, Seán Haughey, Danny Healy-Rae, Brendan Howlin, Billy Kelleher, Alan Kelly, Gino Kenny, Martin Kenny, John Lahart, James Lawless, Marc MacSharry, Catherine Martin, Mary Lou McDonald, Mattie McGrath, Michael McGrath, John McGuinness, Denise Mitchell, Michael Moynihan, Imelda Munster, Margaret Murphy O'Mahony, Catherine Murphy, Eugene Murphy, Paul Murphy, Denis Naughten, Carol Nolan, Darragh O'Brien, Jonathan O'Brien, Jim O'Callaghan, Kevin O'Keeffe, Fiona O'Loughlin, Louise O'Reilly, Frank O'Rourke, Jan O'Sullivan, Maureen O'Sullivan, Eoin Ó Broin, Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin, Éamon Ó Cuív, Donnchadh Ó Laoghaire, Aengus Ó Snodaigh, Willie Penrose, Thomas Pringle, Maurice Quinlivan, Anne Rabbitte, Brendan Ryan, Eamon Ryan, Eamon Scanlon, Seán Sherlock, Róisín Shortall, Brendan Smith, Bríd Smith, Niamh Smyth, Brian Stanley, Peadar Tóibín, Robert Troy.

Amendment declared lost.

1:35 pm

Photo of Seán Ó FearghaílSeán Ó Fearghaíl (Kildare South, Ceann Comhairle)
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We must now deal with amendment No. 3 in the name of the Sinn Fein Deputies.

Photo of Louise O'ReillyLouise O'Reilly (Dublin Fingal, Sinn Fein)
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I move amendment No. 3:

To delete all words after “calls on the Government to” and substitute the following:“— engage with the INMO and the PNA to resolve the dispute and to ensure that any strike action has minimal impact on services for vulnerable patients;

— recognise and acknowledge that pay is a significant factor in the recruitment and retention crisis gripping the nursing and midwifery professions and confirm that pay will form part of any resolution to this dispute;

— agree an implementation roadmap with the relevant unions regarding how nurses will achieve pay parity with comparable grades in the health service; and

— commission (while recognising, in particular, clause 3 of the Public Service Stability Agreement, and the Public Sector Pay Commission Report) an independent review, to be led by a judge or healthcare expert agreed to by the unions relevant to this dispute, of the nursing and midwifery professions, to report within six weeks, taking account of the introduction of the nursing degree programme, the extra specialities and extended duties that have evolved and that can be further enhanced, as well as examining the remuneration, contracts, and allowances for same, with a view to addressing the chronic recruitment and retention issues and with a definitive timeframe for the implementation of any recommendations made.”

Amendment No. 3 put.

Result of division to follow.

Photo of Seán Ó FearghaílSeán Ó Fearghaíl (Kildare South, Ceann Comhairle)
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We must now deal with amendment No. 3 in the name of the Sinn Fein Deputies.

Photo of Louise O'ReillyLouise O'Reilly (Dublin Fingal, Sinn Fein)
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I move amendment No. 3:

To delete all words after “calls on the Government to” and substitute the following:“— engage with the INMO and the PNA to resolve the dispute and to ensure that any strike action has minimal impact on services for vulnerable patients;

— recognise and acknowledge that pay is a significant factor in the recruitment and retention crisis gripping the nursing and midwifery professions and confirm that pay will form part of any resolution to this dispute;

— agree an implementation roadmap with the relevant unions regarding how nurses will achieve pay parity with comparable grades in the health service; and

— commission (while recognising, in particular, clause 3 of the Public Service Stability Agreement, and the Public Sector Pay Commission Report) an independent review, to be led by a judge or healthcare expert agreed to by the unions relevant to this dispute, of the nursing and midwifery professions, to report within six weeks, taking account of the introduction of the nursing degree programme, the extra specialities and extended duties that have evolved and that can be further enhanced, as well as examining the remuneration, contracts, and allowances for same, with a view to addressing the chronic recruitment and retention issues and with a definitive timeframe for the implementation of any recommendations made.”

Amendment put:

The Dáil divided: Tá, 86; Níl, 51; Staon, 0.


Tellers: Tá, Deputies Aengus Ó Snodaigh and Denise Mitchell; Níl, Deputies Seán Kyne and Tony McLoughlin.

Gerry Adams, Bobby Aylward, Mick Barry, Richard Boyd Barrett, John Brady, John Brassil, Declan Breathnach, Tommy Broughan, James Browne, Pat Buckley, Joan Burton, Thomas Byrne, Dara Calleary, Pat Casey, Shane Cassells, Jack Chambers, Lisa Chambers, Joan Collins, Michael Collins, Catherine Connolly, Ruth Coppinger, Barry Cowen, Seán Crowe, John Curran, Pearse Doherty, Stephen Donnelly, Timmy Dooley, Dessie Ellis, Michael Fitzmaurice, Peter Fitzpatrick, Seán Fleming, Kathleen Funchion, Pat Gallagher, Michael Harty, Seán Haughey, Brendan Howlin, Billy Kelleher, Alan Kelly, Gino Kenny, Martin Kenny, John Lahart, James Lawless, Marc MacSharry, Catherine Martin, Mary Lou McDonald, Mattie McGrath, Michael McGrath, John McGuinness, Denise Mitchell, Aindrias Moynihan, Michael Moynihan, Imelda Munster, Margaret Murphy O'Mahony, Catherine Murphy, Eugene Murphy, Paul Murphy, Denis Naughten, Carol Nolan, Darragh O'Brien, Jonathan O'Brien, Jim O'Callaghan, Kevin O'Keeffe, Fiona O'Loughlin, Louise O'Reilly, Frank O'Rourke, Jan O'Sullivan, Maureen O'Sullivan, Eoin Ó Broin, Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin, Éamon Ó Cuív, Donnchadh Ó Laoghaire, Aengus Ó Snodaigh, Willie Penrose, Thomas Pringle, Maurice Quinlivan, Anne Rabbitte, Brendan Ryan, Eamon Scanlon, Seán Sherlock, Róisín Shortall, Brendan Smith, Bríd Smith, Niamh Smyth, Brian Stanley, Peadar Tóibín, Robert Troy.

Níl

Maria Bailey, Pat Breen, Colm Brophy, Richard Bruton, Peter Burke, Catherine Byrne, Seán Canney, Ciarán Cannon, Joe Carey, Marcella Corcoran Kennedy, Simon Coveney, Michael Creed, Michael D'Arcy, Jim Daly, John Deasy, Pat Deering, Regina Doherty, Paschal Donohoe, Bernard Durkan, Damien English, Alan Farrell, Frances Fitzgerald, Charles Flanagan, Brendan Griffin, John Halligan, Martin Heydon, Heather Humphreys, Paul Kehoe, Seán Kyne, Michael Lowry, Josepha Madigan, Helen McEntee, Finian McGrath, Joe McHugh, Tony McLoughlin, Mary Mitchell O'Connor, Kevin Moran, Dara Murphy, Eoghan Murphy, Hildegarde Naughton, Tom Neville, Michael Noonan, Kate O'Connell, Patrick O'Donovan, Fergus O'Dowd, John Paul Phelan, Michael Ring, Noel Rock, Shane Ross, David Stanton, Katherine Zappone.

Amendment declared carried.

1:45 pm

Photo of Seán Ó FearghaílSeán Ó Fearghaíl (Kildare South, Ceann Comhairle)
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As amendment No. 3 has been agreed, amendment No. 2 cannot be moved. However, the question to the effect that the motion, as amended, be agreed to remains to be considered.

Amendment No. 2 not moved.

Question put "That the motion, as amended, be agreed to."

Result of division to follow.

Sitting suspended at 2 p.m. and resumed at 2.40 p.m.

Photo of Seán Ó FearghaílSeán Ó Fearghaíl (Kildare South, Ceann Comhairle)
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As amendment No. 3 has been agreed, amendment No. 2 cannot be moved. However, the question to the effect that the motion, as amended, be agreed to remains to be considered.

Amendment No. 2 not moved.

Question put: That the motion, as amended, be agreed to.

The Dáil divided: Tá, 86; Níl, 51; Staon, 0.


Tellers: Tá, Deputies Michael Moynihan and John Lahart; Níl, Deputies Seán Kyne and Tony McLoughlin.

Gerry Adams, Bobby Aylward, Mick Barry, Richard Boyd Barrett, John Brady, John Brassil, Declan Breathnach, Tommy Broughan, James Browne, Pat Buckley, Joan Burton, Thomas Byrne, Dara Calleary, Pat Casey, Shane Cassells, Jack Chambers, Lisa Chambers, Joan Collins, Michael Collins, Catherine Connolly, Ruth Coppinger, Barry Cowen, Seán Crowe, John Curran, Pearse Doherty, Stephen Donnelly, Timmy Dooley, Dessie Ellis, Michael Fitzmaurice, Peter Fitzpatrick, Kathleen Funchion, Pat Gallagher, Michael Harty, Seán Haughey, Danny Healy-Rae, Brendan Howlin, Billy Kelleher, Alan Kelly, Gino Kenny, Martin Kenny, John Lahart, James Lawless, Marc MacSharry, Catherine Martin, Mary Lou McDonald, Mattie McGrath, Michael McGrath, John McGuinness, Denise Mitchell, Aindrias Moynihan, Michael Moynihan, Imelda Munster, Margaret Murphy O'Mahony, Catherine Murphy, Eugene Murphy, Paul Murphy, Denis Naughten, Carol Nolan, Darragh O'Brien, Jonathan O'Brien, Jim O'Callaghan, Kevin O'Keeffe, Fiona O'Loughlin, Louise O'Reilly, Frank O'Rourke, Jan O'Sullivan, Maureen O'Sullivan, Eoin Ó Broin, Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin, Éamon Ó Cuív, Donnchadh Ó Laoghaire, Aengus Ó Snodaigh, Willie Penrose, Thomas Pringle, Maurice Quinlivan, Anne Rabbitte, Brendan Ryan, Eamon Scanlon, Seán Sherlock, Róisín Shortall, Brendan Smith, Bríd Smith, Niamh Smyth, Brian Stanley, Peadar Tóibín, Robert Troy.

Níl

Maria Bailey, Pat Breen, Colm Brophy, Richard Bruton, Peter Burke, Catherine Byrne, Seán Canney, Ciarán Cannon, Joe Carey, Marcella Corcoran Kennedy, Simon Coveney, Michael Creed, Michael D'Arcy, Jim Daly, John Deasy, Pat Deering, Regina Doherty, Paschal Donohoe, Bernard Durkan, Damien English, Alan Farrell, Frances Fitzgerald, Charles Flanagan, Brendan Griffin, John Halligan, Martin Heydon, Heather Humphreys, Paul Kehoe, Seán Kyne, Michael Lowry, Josepha Madigan, Helen McEntee, Finian McGrath, Joe McHugh, Tony McLoughlin, Mary Mitchell O'Connor, Kevin Moran, Dara Murphy, Eoghan Murphy, Hildegarde Naughton, Tom Neville, Michael Noonan, Kate O'Connell, Patrick O'Donovan, Fergus O'Dowd, John Paul Phelan, Michael Ring, Noel Rock, Shane Ross, David Stanton, Katherine Zappone.

Question declared carried.

Sitting suspended at 2 p.m. and resumed at 2.40 p.m.