Dáil debates

Thursday, 13 July 2017

1:10 pm

Photo of Seán Ó FearghaílSeán Ó Fearghaíl (Kildare South, Ceann Comhairle)
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Before moving to Questions on Promised Legislation, I understand the Government Whip wishes to propose some revisions to the schedule for today and tomorrow.

Photo of Joe McHughJoe McHugh (Donegal, Fine Gael)
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It is proposed, notwithstanding the Orders of the Dáil of 11 July, that the proceedings on No. d10, motion re the establishment of the Joint Committee on the Future of Mental Health Care, and No. e10, motion re Standing Order 147, shall be taken without debate after Questions on Promised Legislation; any division demanded on the proceedings on No. b10, motion re defence – proposed approval by Dáil Éireann of the deployment of a contingent of the Permanent Defence Force to serve as part of EUNAVFOR MED, Operation Sophia - shall be taken immediately; the Dáil shall sit later than 11 p.m. today and adjourn on the conclusion of Topical Issues; questions to the Minister for Housing, Planning, Community and Local Government shall be taken on the conclusion of the Government business or at 9.12 p.m., whichever is the earlier; and the Dáil shall sit later than 6 p.m. tomorrow and adjourn not later than 8 p.m.

Photo of Brendan HowlinBrendan Howlin (Wexford, Labour)
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At what time is it proposed to resume the discussion on the motion re defence?

Photo of Joe McHughJoe McHugh (Donegal, Fine Gael)
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It will resume immediately after the 30-minute sos, which will take place after the voting bloc.

Photo of Richard Boyd BarrettRichard Boyd Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, People Before Profit Alliance)
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We disagree with two of the proposals. What is the procedure for dealing with them?

Photo of Seán Ó FearghaílSeán Ó Fearghaíl (Kildare South, Ceann Comhairle)
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With which proposals does the Deputy disagree?

Photo of Richard Boyd BarrettRichard Boyd Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, People Before Profit Alliance)
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We disagree with the motion on Standing Order 147 and the proposal to put the motion on defence to a vote. I can explain the reasons we oppose the proposals.

Photo of Seán Ó FearghaílSeán Ó Fearghaíl (Kildare South, Ceann Comhairle)
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The Deputy may as well make a statement.

Photo of Richard Boyd BarrettRichard Boyd Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, People Before Profit Alliance)
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As for the motion on defence, I was speaking in the Chamber and could not attend the meeting of the business management committee. However, I understand a number of Deputies made clear at the meeting that the motion, which would result in the deployment of the triple lock mechanism for only the fourth time, in this case to change the status of the Naval Service's role in the Mediterranean from a humanitarian mission to deployment in search and destroy activities, is a fundamental attack on the neutral position of the Naval Service. It should not be pushed to a vote before sufficient time has been provided to debate it and the public is made fully aware of the proposal.

The motion re Standing Order 147 proposes a significant change in the ability of Opposition parties to introduce Private Members' Bills. Under this proposal, such Bills may be ruled out of order on the ground that they are substantially similar to another Bill. This is completely unacceptable. What does "substantially similar" mean? This change will be used as a means of reducing the capacity of Private Members and the Opposition to introduce Bills. We do not accept the motion being rushed through the House without debate.

Photo of Seán Ó FearghaílSeán Ó Fearghaíl (Kildare South, Ceann Comhairle)
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The Government will explain its position in respect of the defence motion, which was debated at length in the Business Committee this morning when the concerns raised by the Deputy were discussed in detail. On the motion re Standing Order 147, which deals with substantially similar legislation, this matter was also debated at some length by the Dáil reform committee.

Photo of Bríd SmithBríd Smith (Dublin South Central, People Before Profit Alliance)
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Some members dissented.

Photo of Seán Ó FearghaílSeán Ó Fearghaíl (Kildare South, Ceann Comhairle)
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While agreement was not unanimous, the overwhelming majority of members agreed to the proposal.

Photo of Bríd SmithBríd Smith (Dublin South Central, People Before Profit Alliance)
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That does not mean the proposal should not be debated.

Photo of Joe McHughJoe McHugh (Donegal, Fine Gael)
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On the defence motion, out of respect to the Business Committee, at which there is good co-operation, I stated I would take back the concerns raised by members. I arranged a meeting with the Chief of Staff, Secretary General and Minister of State at the Department of Defence, Deputy Kehoe, to discuss the issues raised by Deputies Brendan Ryan and Clare Daly. The reason for the urgency in dealing with this issue is that it involves a time-limited commitment. The Government has made a commitment to implement the deployment before the end of the year. As Operation Sophia only extends as far as December, the triple lock mechanism will have to be used again if it is to be extended. The Government's commitment in this regard is only until the end of December. A request was made to delay a decision in the matter until September. If the motion is passed today, which is the prerogative of the Dáil, it will take up to two months to do the preparatory work required. If we wait until mid-September to vote on the motion, two months of preparatory work will still be required. Given that the deployment will only last until the end of December, the commitment is time limited.

Photo of Brendan HowlinBrendan Howlin (Wexford, Labour)
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Two different decisions must be taken because my party wishes to support one proposal and oppose another.

Photo of Seán Ó FearghaílSeán Ó Fearghaíl (Kildare South, Ceann Comhairle)
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I am afraid we will take both matters together.

Photo of Brendan HowlinBrendan Howlin (Wexford, Labour)
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That is impossible.

Photo of Bríd SmithBríd Smith (Dublin South Central, People Before Profit Alliance)
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We cannot do that. They are completely separate matters.

Photo of Seán Ó FearghaílSeán Ó Fearghaíl (Kildare South, Ceann Comhairle)
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Is an amendment to the Order of Business proposed?

Photo of Brendan HowlinBrendan Howlin (Wexford, Labour)
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I propose amending the Order of Business to determine each issue separately.

Photo of Seán Ó FearghaílSeán Ó Fearghaíl (Kildare South, Ceann Comhairle)
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Is that agreed? Agreed. We will first deal with the proposal that any division demanded on the proceedings on No. b10, motion re defence, be taken immediately.

Question put: "That the proposal for dealing with the motion be agreed to."

The Dáil divided: Tá, 92; Níl, 45; Staon, 0.


Tellers: Tá, Deputies Joe McHugh and Tony McLoughlin; Níl, Deputies Richard Boyd Barrett and Brendan Ryan.

Bobby Aylward, Maria Bailey, Seán Barrett, John Brassil, Declan Breathnach, Pat Breen, Colm Brophy, James Browne, Richard Bruton, Peter Burke, Mary Butler, Catherine Byrne, Thomas Byrne, Jackie Cahill, Dara Calleary, Seán Canney, Ciarán Cannon, Joe Carey, Pat Casey, Shane Cassells, Lisa Chambers, Niall Collins, Marcella Corcoran Kennedy, Barry Cowen, John Curran, Michael D'Arcy, Jim Daly, John Deasy, Pat Deering, Regina Doherty, Stephen Donnelly, Paschal Donohoe, Timmy Dooley, Bernard Durkan, Damien English, Frances Fitzgerald, Peter Fitzpatrick, Charles Flanagan, Brendan Griffin, John Halligan, Simon Harris, Michael Harty, Seán Haughey, Martin Heydon, Heather Humphreys, Paul Kehoe, Seán Kyne, John Lahart, James Lawless, Michael Lowry, Marc MacSharry, Charlie McConalogue, Helen McEntee, Finian McGrath, Michael McGrath, John McGuinness, Joe McHugh, Tony McLoughlin, Josepha Madigan, Micheál Martin, Mary Mitchell O'Connor, Kevin Moran, Aindrias Moynihan, Margaret Murphy O'Mahony, Dara Murphy, Eoghan Murphy, Eugene Murphy, Denis Naughten, Hildegarde Naughton, Tom Neville, Michael Noonan, Éamon Ó Cuív, Darragh O'Brien, Jim O'Callaghan, Kate O'Connell, Willie O'Dea, Patrick O'Donovan, Fergus O'Dowd, Kevin O'Keeffe, Fiona O'Loughlin, Frank O'Rourke, John Paul Phelan, Anne Rabbitte, Michael Ring, Noel Rock, Shane Ross, Eamon Scanlon, Brendan Smith, Niamh Smyth, David Stanton, Robert Troy, Katherine Zappone.

Níl

Gerry Adams, Mick Barry, Richard Boyd Barrett, John Brady, Tommy Broughan, Pat Buckley, Joan Burton, Joan Collins, Michael Collins, Catherine Connolly, Ruth Coppinger, Seán Crowe, David Cullinane, Clare Daly, Pearse Doherty, Dessie Ellis, Michael Fitzmaurice, Kathleen Funchion, Séamus Healy, Brendan Howlin, Alan Kelly, Gino Kenny, Mary Lou McDonald, Mattie McGrath, Catherine Martin, Denise Mitchell, Imelda Munster, Catherine Murphy, Paul Murphy, Carol Nolan, Eoin Ó Broin, Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin, Donnchadh Ó Laoghaire, Aengus Ó Snodaigh, Louise O'Reilly, Jan O'Sullivan, Maureen O'Sullivan, Willie Penrose, Maurice Quinlivan, Brendan Ryan, Seán Sherlock, Róisín Shortall, Bríd Smith, Brian Stanley, Peadar Tóibín.

Question declared carried.

Question put: "That the proposal for dealing with Standing Order 147 be agreed to."

The Dáil divided: Tá, 123; Níl, 13; Staon, 0.


Tellers: Tá, Deputies Joe McHugh and Tony McLoughlin; Níl, Deputies Richard Boyd Barrett and Bríd Smith.

Gerry Adams, Bobby Aylward, Maria Bailey, Seán Barrett, John Brady, John Brassil, Declan Breathnach, Pat Breen, Colm Brophy, Richard Bruton, Pat Buckley, Peter Burke, Joan Burton, Mary Butler, Catherine Byrne, Thomas Byrne, Jackie Cahill, Dara Calleary, Seán Canney, Ciarán Cannon, Joe Carey, Pat Casey, Shane Cassells, Jack Chambers, Lisa Chambers, Niall Collins, Marcella Corcoran Kennedy, Barry Cowen, Seán Crowe, David Cullinane, John Curran, Michael D'Arcy, Clare Daly, Jim Daly, John Deasy, Pat Deering, Pearse Doherty, Regina Doherty, Stephen Donnelly, Paschal Donohoe, Timmy Dooley, Bernard Durkan, Dessie Ellis, Frances Fitzgerald, Michael Fitzmaurice, Peter Fitzpatrick, Charles Flanagan, Seán Fleming, Kathleen Funchion, Brendan Griffin, John Halligan, Simon Harris, Michael Harty, Seán Haughey, Martin Heydon, Brendan Howlin, Heather Humphreys, Paul Kehoe, Alan Kelly, Seán Kyne, John Lahart, James Lawless, Michael Lowry, Marc MacSharry, Charlie McConalogue, Mary Lou McDonald, Helen McEntee, Finian McGrath, Michael McGrath, John McGuinness, Joe McHugh, Tony McLoughlin, Josepha Madigan, Catherine Martin, Micheál Martin, Mary Mitchell O'Connor, Denise Mitchell, Kevin Moran, Aindrias Moynihan, Imelda Munster, Margaret Murphy O'Mahony, Catherine Murphy, Dara Murphy, Eoghan Murphy, Eugene Murphy, Denis Naughten, Hildegarde Naughton, Tom Neville, Carol Nolan, Michael Noonan, Eoin Ó Broin, Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin, Éamon Ó Cuív, Donnchadh Ó Laoghaire, Aengus Ó Snodaigh, Darragh O'Brien, Jim O'Callaghan, Kate O'Connell, Willie O'Dea, Patrick O'Donovan, Fergus O'Dowd, Kevin O'Keeffe, Fiona O'Loughlin, Louise O'Reilly, Frank O'Rourke, Jan O'Sullivan, Willie Penrose, John Paul Phelan, Maurice Quinlivan, Anne Rabbitte, Michael Ring, Noel Rock, Shane Ross, Brendan Ryan, Eamon Scanlon, Seán Sherlock, Róisín Shortall, Brendan Smith, Niamh Smyth, Brian Stanley, Peadar Tóibín, Robert Troy, Katherine Zappone.

Níl

Mick Barry, Richard Boyd Barrett, Tommy Broughan, Joan Collins, Michael Collins, Catherine Connolly, Ruth Coppinger, Séamus Healy, Gino Kenny, Mattie McGrath, Paul Murphy, Maureen O'Sullivan, Bríd Smith.

Question declared carried.

1:40 pm

Photo of Seán Ó FearghaílSeán Ó Fearghaíl (Kildare South, Ceann Comhairle)
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2 o’clock

Can I take it that the balance of the Government's proposal in respect of business for the remainder of the week is agreed? Agreed.