Dáil debates

Thursday, 6 April 2017

Defence Forces: Motion (Resumed) [Private Members]

 

The following motion was moved by Deputy Lisa Chambers on Tuesday, 4 April 2017:

Amendment No. 1 to the motion was moved on Tuesday, 4 April 2017 by Deputy Aengus Ó Snodaigh:

Debate resumed on amendment to amendment No. 1: That1(c) be deleted. - (Deputy Lisa Chambers)

2:10 pm

Photo of Pat GallagherPat Gallagher (Donegal, Fianna Fail)
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I must now deal with a postponed division relating to the motion regarding Standing Order 149. On the question that the amendment to amendment No. 1 be agreed to, a division was claimed and, in accordance with Standing Order 70(2), that division must now be taken.

Amendment to amendment put:

The Dáil divided: Tá, 52; Níl, 84; Staon, 0.


Tellers: Tá, Deputies Michael Moynihan and John Lahart; Níl, Deputies Aengus Ó Snodaigh and Denise Mitchell.

John Brassil, Declan Breathnach, James Browne, Joan Burton, Mary Butler, Thomas Byrne, Jackie Cahill, Dara Calleary, Pat Casey, Shane Cassells, Jack Chambers, Lisa Chambers, Michael Collins, Barry Cowen, John Curran, Stephen Donnelly, Timmy Dooley, Michael Fitzmaurice, Noel Grealish, Michael Harty, Seán Haughey, Brendan Howlin, Billy Kelleher, John Lahart, James Lawless, Michael Lowry, Marc MacSharry, Charlie McConalogue, Mattie McGrath, Michael McGrath, John McGuinness, Micheál Martin, Aindrias Moynihan, Michael Moynihan, Margaret Murphy O'Mahony, Eugene Murphy, Éamon Ó Cuív, Darragh O'Brien, Jim O'Callaghan, Willie O'Dea, Kevin O'Keeffe, Fiona O'Loughlin, Frank O'Rourke, Jan O'Sullivan, Willie Penrose, Anne Rabbitte, Brendan Ryan, Eamon Scanlon, Seán Sherlock, Brendan Smith, Niamh Smyth, Robert Troy.

Níl

Gerry Adams, Maria Bailey, Seán Barrett, Mick Barry, Richard Boyd Barrett, Colm Brophy, Tommy Broughan, Pat Buckley, Peter Burke, Catherine Byrne, Seán Canney, Ciarán Cannon, Joan Collins, Ruth Coppinger, Marcella Corcoran Kennedy, Simon Coveney, Seán Crowe, David Cullinane, Michael D'Arcy, Clare Daly, Jim Daly, John Deasy, Pat Deering, Pearse Doherty, Paschal Donohoe, Andrew Doyle, Bernard Durkan, Dessie Ellis, Damien English, Alan Farrell, Martin Ferris, Frances Fitzgerald, Peter Fitzpatrick, Kathleen Funchion, Brendan Griffin, Simon Harris, Séamus Healy, Martin Heydon, Heather Humphreys, Paul Kehoe, Martin Kenny, Seán Kyne, Mary Lou McDonald, Helen McEntee, Finian McGrath, Joe McHugh, Tony McLoughlin, Josepha Madigan, Catherine Martin, Mary Mitchell O'Connor, Denise Mitchell, Kevin Moran, Imelda Munster, Catherine Murphy, Eoghan Murphy, Paul Murphy, Denis Naughten, Hildegarde Naughton, Tom Neville, Carol Nolan, Michael Noonan, Eoin Ó Broin, Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin, Donnchadh Ó Laoghaire, Aengus Ó Snodaigh, Jonathan O'Brien, Kate O'Connell, Patrick O'Donovan, Fergus O'Dowd, Louise O'Reilly, Maureen O'Sullivan, John Paul Phelan, Maurice Quinlivan, Michael Ring, Noel Rock, Shane Ross, Róisín Shortall, Bríd Smith, Brian Stanley, David Stanton, Peadar Tóibín, Leo Varadkar, Mick Wallace, Katherine Zappone.

Amendment to amendment declared lost.

Amendment put:

The Dáil divided: Tá, 36; Níl, 102; Staon, 0.


Tellers: Tá, Deputies Aengus Ó Snodaigh and Denise Mitchell; Níl, Deputies Michael Moynihan and John Lahart.

Gerry Adams, Mick Barry, Richard Boyd Barrett, Tommy Broughan, Pat Buckley, Joan Collins, Ruth Coppinger, Seán Crowe, David Cullinane, Clare Daly, Pearse Doherty, Dessie Ellis, Martin Ferris, Kathleen Funchion, Séamus Healy, Martin Kenny, Mary Lou McDonald, Catherine Martin, Denise Mitchell, Imelda Munster, Catherine Murphy, Paul Murphy, Carol Nolan, Eoin Ó Broin, Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin, Donnchadh Ó Laoghaire, Aengus Ó Snodaigh, Jonathan O'Brien, Louise O'Reilly, Maureen O'Sullivan, Maurice Quinlivan, Róisín Shortall, Bríd Smith, Brian Stanley, Peadar Tóibín, Mick Wallace.

Níl

Maria Bailey, Seán Barrett, John Brassil, Declan Breathnach, Colm Brophy, James Browne, Peter Burke, Joan Burton, Mary Butler, Catherine Byrne, Thomas Byrne, Jackie Cahill, Dara Calleary, Seán Canney, Ciarán Cannon, Pat Casey, Shane Cassells, Jack Chambers, Lisa Chambers, Michael Collins, Marcella Corcoran Kennedy, Simon Coveney, Barry Cowen, John Curran, Michael D'Arcy, Jim Daly, John Deasy, Pat Deering, Stephen Donnelly, Paschal Donohoe, Timmy Dooley, Andrew Doyle, Bernard Durkan, Damien English, Alan Farrell, Frances Fitzgerald, Michael Fitzmaurice, Peter Fitzpatrick, Noel Grealish, Brendan Griffin, Simon Harris, Michael Harty, Seán Haughey, Martin Heydon, Brendan Howlin, Heather Humphreys, Paul Kehoe, Billy Kelleher, Alan Kelly, Seán Kyne, John Lahart, James Lawless, Michael Lowry, Marc MacSharry, Charlie McConalogue, Helen McEntee, Finian McGrath, Mattie McGrath, Michael McGrath, John McGuinness, Joe McHugh, Tony McLoughlin, Josepha Madigan, Micheál Martin, Mary Mitchell O'Connor, Kevin Moran, Aindrias Moynihan, Michael Moynihan, Margaret Murphy O'Mahony, Eoghan Murphy, Eugene Murphy, Denis Naughten, Hildegarde Naughton, Tom Neville, Michael Noonan, Éamon Ó Cuív, Darragh O'Brien, Jim O'Callaghan, Kate O'Connell, Willie O'Dea, Patrick O'Donovan, Fergus O'Dowd, Kevin O'Keeffe, Fiona O'Loughlin, Frank O'Rourke, Jan O'Sullivan, Willie Penrose, John Paul Phelan, Anne Rabbitte, Michael Ring, Noel Rock, Shane Ross, Brendan Ryan, Eamon Scanlon, Seán Sherlock, Brendan Smith, Niamh Smyth, David Stanton, Robert Troy, Leo Varadkar, Katherine Zappone.

Amendment declared lost.

2:30 pm

Photo of Brendan  RyanBrendan Ryan (Dublin Fingal, Labour)
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I move amendment No. 2:

To insert the following after “reaches its establishment strength of 4,069;”:“acknowledges:

— that the Government intends to introduce legislation to provide access for the Garda Associations to the Workplace Relations Commission and the Labour Court;

— that the agreement on 11th November, 2016, through an independent adjudicator, that crews serving in Operation Pontus in the Mediterranean should be paid the armed allowance of €15 per day;

— that over 20 per cent of enlisted personnel in our Defence Forces are in receipt of Family Income Supplement;

— the ongoing concerns of personnel and their families due to the continued use of Lariam, and the lack of proper support and after care services for members, and fears over the impact of any mental health side-effects from Lariam on their career if noted on their medical records; and

— the impact of the restructuring of the Defence Forces Brigades from three to two, and the additional travel and other costs this has placed on soldiers; and

further calls for:

— legislation to provide staff representative associations in our Defence Forces, including PDForra with access to the Workplace Relations Commission and the Labour Court;

— a review of the terms and conditions of staff in our Defence Forces separate to the ongoing analysis of the Public Service Pay Commission, with a particular focus on enlisted personnel, to ensure that members can pursue a rewarding and sustainable career that acknowledges the costs of serving, and gives due regard to their service, and the dangers and risks they face on our behalf;

— all payments due to those who served in Operation Pontus to be paid immediately; and

— an independent outside medical review of the continued use of Lariam.”

Amendment put:

The Dáil divided: Tá, 88; Níl, 49; Staon, 0.


Tellers: Tá, Deputies Brendan Ryan and Jan O'Sullivan; Níl, Deputies Tony McLoughlin and Kevin Boxer Moran.

Gerry Adams, Mick Barry, Richard Boyd Barrett, John Brassil, Declan Breathnach, Tommy Broughan, James Browne, Pat Buckley, Joan Burton, Mary Butler, Thomas Byrne, Jackie Cahill, Dara Calleary, Pat Casey, Shane Cassells, Jack Chambers, Lisa Chambers, Joan Collins, Michael Collins, Ruth Coppinger, Barry Cowen, Seán Crowe, David Cullinane, John Curran, Clare Daly, Pearse Doherty, Stephen Donnelly, Timmy Dooley, Dessie Ellis, Martin Ferris, Michael Fitzmaurice, Kathleen Funchion, Noel Grealish, Michael Harty, Seán Haughey, Séamus Healy, Brendan Howlin, Billy Kelleher, Alan Kelly, Martin Kenny, John Lahart, James Lawless, Marc MacSharry, Catherine Martin, Micheál Martin, Charlie McConalogue, Mary Lou McDonald, Mattie McGrath, Michael McGrath, John McGuinness, Denise Mitchell, Aindrias Moynihan, Michael Moynihan, Imelda Munster, Margaret Murphy O'Mahony, Catherine Murphy, Eugene Murphy, Paul Murphy, Carol Nolan, Eoin Ó Broin, Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin, Éamon Ó Cuív, Donnchadh Ó Laoghaire, Aengus Ó Snodaigh, Darragh O'Brien, Jonathan O'Brien, Jim O'Callaghan, Willie O'Dea, Kevin O'Keeffe, Fiona O'Loughlin, Louise O'Reilly, Frank O'Rourke, Jan O'Sullivan, Maureen O'Sullivan, Willie Penrose, Maurice Quinlivan, Anne Rabbitte, Brendan Ryan, Eamon Scanlon, Seán Sherlock, Róisín Shortall, Brendan Smith, Bríd Smith, Niamh Smyth, Brian Stanley, Peadar Tóibín, Robert Troy, Mick Wallace.

Níl

Maria Bailey, Seán Barrett, Colm Brophy, Peter Burke, Catherine Byrne, Seán Canney, Ciarán Cannon, Marcella Corcoran Kennedy, Simon Coveney, Michael D'Arcy, Jim Daly, John Deasy, Pat Deering, Paschal Donohoe, Andrew Doyle, Bernard Durkan, Damien English, Alan Farrell, Frances Fitzgerald, Peter Fitzpatrick, Brendan Griffin, Simon Harris, Martin Heydon, Heather Humphreys, Paul Kehoe, Seán Kyne, Michael Lowry, Helen McEntee, Finian McGrath, Joe McHugh, Tony McLoughlin, Josepha Madigan, Mary Mitchell O'Connor, Kevin Moran, Eoghan Murphy, Denis Naughten, Hildegarde Naughton, Tom Neville, Michael Noonan, Kate O'Connell, Patrick O'Donovan, Fergus O'Dowd, John Paul Phelan, Michael Ring, Noel Rock, Shane Ross, David Stanton, Leo Varadkar, Katherine Zappone.

Amendment declared carried.

2:40 pm

Photo of Bríd SmithBríd Smith (Dublin South Central, People Before Profit Alliance)
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I move amendment No. 3:

To delete all words after “Dáil Éireann” and substitute the following:

“acknowledges the pride that Irish people take in those who carry out their work in our lifesaving emergency services including ambulance crews, firefighters, the Irish Coast Guard and Defence Forces (Naval Service, Army and Air Corps) as well as the contribution made by volunteers involved in lifesaving, including those involved in lifeguard, lifeboat and mountain rescue services, the Reserve Defence Force and the Civil Defence;

remembers those members of the emergency services who have lost their lives in the course of lifesaving duties, especially of late the Irish Coast Guard, and including those on overseas lifesaving missions in humanitarian emergency situations including natural disasters, famine and war;

agrees that the single greatest asset the Defence Forces has is its personnel;

recognises the dedication and professionalism shown by members of the Defence Forces;notes:

— that the current allowed strength of the Defence Forces at 9,500 has stretched its ability to fulfil its potential roles and maintain a credible contingent capability;

— that the current effective strength of the Defence Forces is below 9,000;

— the concerns that exist within the Defence Forces about the poor terms and conditions of members, and a range of other concerns including gender balance, commuting, work life balance and stress, and that morale is at the lowest it has been for some

time;

— the significant difficulties that the Defence Forces have in the retention of personnel; and

— the widespread belief that the 2012 re-organisation has not been a success;further notes that:— members of the Defence Forces earn extremely low initial wages of €21,800 per annum and there is a low level of participation by women in the Defence Forces;

— the effective membership of the Reserve Defence Force fell from 2,280 to 2,049 during 2016 and has fallen further to 1,970 this year; and

— if the net loss of 200 members, that the Reserve Defence Force experienced last year, continues into the future it will cease to exist by 2026;agrees that:— global threats to human security, emphasised by the United Nations, caused by social and economic stresses such as poverty, environmental degradation and outbreaks of infectious diseases are rated higher for likelihood and impact than geopolitical risks such as terrorist attacks or weapons of mass destruction according to the World Economic Forum’s Global Risks Report with the most likely and highest impact risks in its most recent report, in 2014, being unemployment and climate change;

— Ireland needs a defence policy that emphasises a coordinated lifesaving emergency service function at home and abroad, and that is fit for purpose and appropriately resourced;

— Irish spending on emergency services is low and emergency services are inadequately coordinated;

— at €639 million in 2015, defence expenditure (excluding pensions) amounted to just 0.25 per cent of Gross Domestic Product (GDP); and

— a low level of resources is not consistent with a credible emergency services and Defence policy; andcalls for:— regular recruitment and retention campaigns for emergency services, including both Permanent and Reserve Defence Forces, as part of a review of emergency services generally including consideration of the establishment and strength of the Permanent

Defence Forces target of 10,500 personnel across the Army, Air Corps and Naval Service, 4,000 for the Reserve Defence Force by 2021 and emphasising a radical improvement in the gender balance of members of the Defence Forces;

— the urgent improvement of defence force supports to the Irish Coast Guard, so that top cover is available for emergency requests on a 24/7 basis;

— the improvement of the terms and conditions of members of the Defence Forces, in line with the standards of other public servants providing emergency services, and an end to the two-tier pay structure for recently recruited members of private rank;

— a review of legislation and Defence Forces’ regulations, including the Reserve Defence Force, to reorient and reorganise Ireland’s Defence Forces towards providing coordinated emergency services at home and abroad, towards actively opposing

military alliances and/or military operations serving economic and political interests contrary to humanitarian principles or contrary to the effective development and delivery of lifesaving emergency services, to reduce the proliferation of conventional

and unconventional weapons, and to improve the democratic civil control of the Defence Forces in any external or domestic security role;

— consultation with the representative organisations in the Defence Forces on the practicalities of reorientation and reorganisation;

— the coordination of Defence as a portfolio with other portfolios involved in emergency services in Cabinet; and

— an end to the use of Irish airports or ports by United States armed forces.”

Amendment put:

The Dáil divided: Tá, 36; Níl, 98; Staon, 0.


Tellers: Tá, Deputies Richard Boyd Barrett and Bríd Smith; Níl, Deputies Tony McLoughlin and Kevin Boxer Moran.

Gerry Adams, Mick Barry, Richard Boyd Barrett, Tommy Broughan, Pat Buckley, Joan Collins, Ruth Coppinger, Seán Crowe, David Cullinane, Clare Daly, Pearse Doherty, Dessie Ellis, Martin Ferris, Kathleen Funchion, Séamus Healy, Martin Kenny, Catherine Martin, Mary Lou McDonald, Denise Mitchell, Imelda Munster, Catherine Murphy, Paul Murphy, Carol Nolan, Eoin Ó Broin, Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin, Donnchadh Ó Laoghaire, Aengus Ó Snodaigh, Jonathan O'Brien, Louise O'Reilly, Maureen O'Sullivan, Maurice Quinlivan, Róisín Shortall, Bríd Smith, Brian Stanley, Peadar Tóibín, Mick Wallace.

Níl

Maria Bailey, Seán Barrett, John Brassil, Declan Breathnach, Colm Brophy, James Browne, Peter Burke, Mary Butler, Catherine Byrne, Thomas Byrne, Jackie Cahill, Dara Calleary, Seán Canney, Ciarán Cannon, Pat Casey, Shane Cassells, Jack Chambers, Lisa Chambers, Michael Collins, Marcella Corcoran Kennedy, Simon Coveney, Barry Cowen, John Curran, Michael D'Arcy, Jim Daly, John Deasy, Pat Deering, Stephen Donnelly, Paschal Donohoe, Timmy Dooley, Andrew Doyle, Bernard Durkan, Damien English, Alan Farrell, Frances Fitzgerald, Michael Fitzmaurice, Peter Fitzpatrick, Noel Grealish, Brendan Griffin, Simon Harris, Michael Harty, Seán Haughey, Martin Heydon, Brendan Howlin, Heather Humphreys, Paul Kehoe, Billy Kelleher, Alan Kelly, Seán Kyne, John Lahart, James Lawless, Michael Lowry, Marc MacSharry, Charlie McConalogue, Helen McEntee, Finian McGrath, Mattie McGrath, Michael McGrath, John McGuinness, Joe McHugh, Tony McLoughlin, Josepha Madigan, Mary Mitchell O'Connor, Kevin Moran, Aindrias Moynihan, Michael Moynihan, Margaret Murphy O'Mahony, Eoghan Murphy, Eugene Murphy, Denis Naughten, Hildegarde Naughton, Tom Neville, Michael Noonan, Darragh O'Brien, Jim O'Callaghan, Kate O'Connell, Willie O'Dea, Patrick O'Donovan, Fergus O'Dowd, Kevin O'Keeffe, Fiona O'Loughlin, Frank O'Rourke, Jan O'Sullivan, Willie Penrose, John Paul Phelan, Anne Rabbitte, Michael Ring, Noel Rock, Shane Ross, Brendan Ryan, Eamon Scanlon, Seán Sherlock, Brendan Smith, Niamh Smyth, David Stanton, Robert Troy, Leo Varadkar, Katherine Zappone.

Amendment declared lost.

Motion, as amended, put and declared carried.