Dáil debates
Thursday, 16 July 2015
Order of Business
12:20 pm
Joan Burton (Dublin West, Labour)
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My God, we will miss them. They left very fast.
Mattie McGrath (Tipperary South, Independent)
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We have not gone away, you know.
Joan Burton (Dublin West, Labour)
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They actually have. They went out the door. They have gone away.
Robert Troy (Longford-Westmeath, Fianna Fail)
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Many of the Tánaiste's party have left as well.
Kevin Humphreys (Dublin South East, Labour)
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They have gone. Deputy McGrath should go to Specsavers.
Joan Burton (Dublin West, Labour)
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They left.
It is proposed to take No. 44, Civil Debt (Procedures) Bill 2015 - Report and Final Stages (resumed); No. 1a, Industrial Relations (Amendment) Bill 2015 - Amendments from the Seanad; No. 1b, Teaching Council (Amendment) Bill 2015 - Amendments from the Seanad; No. 16, motion re Appointment of a Member of the Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission (back from committee); No. 7, Harbours Bill 2015 - Order for Second Stage and Second Stage, to adjourn at 5.50 p.m. today, if not previously concluded.
It is proposed, notwithstanding anything in Standing Orders, that the Dáil shall sit later than 5.30 p.m. tonight and shall adjourn on the conclusion of Topical Issues, which shall take place not later than 5.50 p.m.; the resumed Report and Final Stages of No. 44 shall be taken today and the proceedings thereon shall, if not previously concluded, be brought to a conclusion at 1.30 p.m. by one question which shall be put from the Chair and which shall, in regard to amendments, include only those set down or accepted by the Minister for Justice and Equality; the proceedings on No. 1ashall, if not previously concluded, be brought to a conclusion at 2.30 p.m. and any amendments from the Seanad not disposed of shall be decided by one question, which shall be put from the Chair and which shall, in relation to amendments to the Seanad amendments, include only those set down or accepted by the Minister for Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation; the proceedings on No. 1bshall, if not previously concluded, be brought to a conclusion at 4.30 p.m. and any amendments from the Seanad not disposed of shall be decided by one question, which shall be put from the Chair and which shall, in relation to amendments to the Seanad amendments, include only those set down or accepted by the Minister for Education and Skills; the proceedings in relation to No. 16 shall, if not previously concluded, be brought to a conclusion after 20 minutes and the following arrangements shall apply: the speech of a Minister or Minister of State and of the main spokespersons for Fianna Fáil, Sinn Féin and the Technical Group, who shall be called upon in that order, shall not exceed five minutes in each case; and the Dáil on its rising today shall adjourn until Tuesday, 22 September 2015 at 2 p.m.
12:30 pm
Michael Kitt (Galway East, Fianna Fail)
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There are six proposals to be put to the House today. Is the proposal for dealing with the late sitting agreed to? Agreed. Is the proposal for dealing with No. 44, Report and Final Stages of the Civil Debt (Procedures) Bill 2015, agreed to?
Robert Troy (Longford-Westmeath, Fianna Fail)
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It is not agreed. When the Government came to power, it promised a democratic revolution. We have just sat through 50 minutes of what could only be described as verbal diarrhoea in which the Tánaiste refused to answer very basic questions.
Bernard Durkan (Kildare North, Fine Gael)
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The Deputy should be ashamed of himself.
Robert Troy (Longford-Westmeath, Fianna Fail)
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Deputy Durkan is now going to add to that.
Bernard Durkan (Kildare North, Fine Gael)
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The Deputy has a lot to learn.
Michael Kitt (Galway East, Fianna Fail)
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Deputy Troy has the floor.
Robert Troy (Longford-Westmeath, Fianna Fail)
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Once again, we have heard another broken promise.
Mattie McGrath (Tipperary South, Independent)
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Shattered.
Robert Troy (Longford-Westmeath, Fianna Fail)
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The Government was going to abolish the guillotining of legislation, yet a very important Bill, which was debated this morning and on which there were numerous divisions called, is to be guillotined. The only way the Government feels it can get it through is by introducing a guillotine. It is wrong that the Government has broken a promise it made. For that reason, we oppose the guillotining of this Bill.
Mary Lou McDonald (Dublin Central, Sinn Fein)
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We oppose the guillotining of important legislation but there is something especially cynical about guillotining this Bill, which has been rushed from start to finish. In its haste to get these matters through, the Government got the justice committee to sit last Friday, which was most unusual. It has allowed an hour or an hour and a half to scrutinise legislation that proposes attachment orders, court proceedings and the facility for the State to pickpocket people's wages, social welfare and pensions in respect of utility bills, but particularly in respect of water charges. That is what this is all about and everybody knows it. It is part of the last-ditch attempt to enforce a tax and a charge that has been comprehensively discredited and rejected. The Government's move today, as with last week, to ram it through is despicable and cynical. It is yet another attempt to frighten into paying what is an unjust and unfair tax those who struggle and for whom the Tánaiste once cared, or so she said. The cynicism of this, quite apart from the verbal diarrhoea or verbal constipation - one can take one's pick on that score - is stunning. It is sneaky and bad parliamentary practice, but it is much more than that. It is recognised outside this Chamber for exactly what it is: yet another episode in the Government's attempt to strong-arm people into coughing up a tax that is unfair, unjust and, for many families, unpayable.
Ruth Coppinger (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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On behalf of the Anti-Austerity Alliance and Socialist Party, I object to the guillotining of vital Bills, particularly the Civil Debt (Procedures) Bill. Yesterday, the deputy leader of the Labour Party told the nation on Sean O'Rourke's radio programme that he was beyond satisfied with the payment levels and that there were enforcement mechanisms being considered in the Dáil that would sort it all out. Now we have found out that after this discussion ends, we will have approximately 20 minutes in which to discuss the legislation. This is incredible. In this Dáil session, the pattern has been one of democracy being completely upended and of the Government failing even to bother taking any note of the institutions it set up itself. Last night, for example, the Seanad overturned the Tánaiste's proposal to the cut lone parents benefits. What has she to say about that? She has not opened her mouth about it. I voted to abolish the Seanad because I believe it is a waste of space and its Members are unelected, but the people spoke. I have not heard a peep out of the Tánaiste about what happened in the Seanad last night. We are to finish today at 6.30 p.m. although this issue has not even been addressed. When are we going to discuss it and the Civil Debt (Procedures) Bill?
The Tánaiste advertised on social media using the phrase "Ask Joan". However, when anyone ever asks her anything in here, she waffles on and ignores it. "Ask Joan" is right. She never answers any questions and makes no time for the key issues. This will increase the cynicism of people about politics. The Tánaiste is ignoring the fact that she has no mandate on water charges. She got her answer yesterday and I predict the rate of non-payment will increase now as others gain confidence.
On the issue of lone parents, there is lasting bitterness for which the Tánaiste will pay the price.
Michael Kitt (Galway East, Fianna Fail)
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We are on the proposal on the Civil Debt (Procedures) Bill.
Ruth Coppinger (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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The Tánaiste has turned a deaf ear throughout this session to the escalating housing crisis, particularly in her constituency, which has the youngest population and the highest number of renters. She is not doing anything about it.
Michael Kitt (Galway East, Fianna Fail)
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That is a different issue. I call the Tánaiste on the proposal on the Civil Debt (Procedures) Bill.
Joan Burton (Dublin West, Labour)
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It sounds from the contributions of some people that they probably need a little bit of a rest from this House.
Robert Troy (Longford-Westmeath, Fianna Fail)
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A lot of Members on the other side will get a permanent rest when they go to the country.
Ruth Coppinger (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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We certainly do.
Joan Burton (Dublin West, Labour)
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However, if anybody should want to stay here throughout August, I will be happy to have the Fianna Fáil Members come in and we will sit here, if necessary. I presume that is what Fianna Fáil might support. I am happy to stay here right through the summer period. However, I will be working next week and the week after to get people in my constituency and every other constituency back to work-----
Ruth Coppinger (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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It is a race against time.
Joan Burton (Dublin West, Labour)
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-----and get young people into apprenticeships and put more money into people's pockets.
Ruth Coppinger (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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What about JobBridge?
Robert Troy (Longford-Westmeath, Fianna Fail)
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This legislation is about taking money out of their pockets.
Joan Burton (Dublin West, Labour)
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We are reforming and reducing the universal social charge and other taxes so people can have a higher standard of living. It seems that the Deputies opposite do not want people to do better or to go back to work. We do, however. Our mandate is to put more money into people's pockets and increase their standard of living.
Ruth Coppinger (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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That is why we are saying they should not pay the water charges-----
Joan Burton (Dublin West, Labour)
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An aspect of achieving a better standard of living involves improving water supplies and sewerage infrastructure.
This legislation implements the report of the Law Reform Commission and, among other things, ends the practice of imprisoning people for ordinary debt, a practice that dates from Dickensian times. I am happy that in a reforming Dáil like this, we are bringing such a practice to an end.
Paul Murphy (Dublin South West, Socialist Party)
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Pick a pocket or two.
Joan Burton (Dublin West, Labour)
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For that reason, I commend the reform-----
Ruth Coppinger (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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Twenty minutes left.
Joan Burton (Dublin West, Labour)
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-----and all the other reforms that the Government has made in this session of the Dáil.
Peter Fitzpatrick (Louth, Fine Gael)
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Hear, hear.
Bernard Durkan (Kildare North, Fine Gael)
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Hear, hear.
Tá
- James Bannon
- Tom Barry
- Joan Burton
- Ray Butler
- Jerry Buttimer
- Catherine Byrne
- Eric Byrne
- Joe Carey
- Paudie Coffey
- Michael Conaghan
- Paul Connaughton
- Noel Coonan
- Marcella Corcoran Kennedy
- Joe Costello
- Michael Creed
- John Deasy
- Jimmy Deenihan
- Pat Deering
- Regina Doherty
- Robert Dowds
- Andrew Doyle
- Bernard Durkan
- Damien English
- Alan Farrell
- Frank Feighan
- Anne Ferris
- Frances Fitzgerald
- Peter Fitzpatrick
- Eamon Gilmore
- Brendan Griffin
- Noel Harrington
- Martin Heydon
- Kevin Humphreys
- Derek Keating
- Paul Kehoe
- Seán Kenny
- Seán Kyne
- Anthony Lawlor
- Kathleen Lynch
- John Lyons
- Gabrielle McFadden
- Dinny McGinley
- Michael McNamara
- Mary Mitchell O'Connor
- Michelle Mulherin
- Dara Murphy
- Dan Neville
- Derek Nolan
- Fergus O'Dowd
- John O'Mahony
- Jan O'Sullivan
- Willie Penrose
- John Perry
- Ruairi Quinn
- Pat Rabbitte
- James Reilly
- Michael Ring
- Brendan Ryan
- Emmet Stagg
- David Stanton
- Joanna Tuffy
- Liam Twomey
- Leo Varadkar
- Jack Wall
- Alex White
Níl
- Richard Boyd Barrett
- Tommy Broughan
- Joan Collins
- Niall Collins
- Michael Colreavy
- Ruth Coppinger
- Lucinda Creighton
- Timmy Dooley
- Dessie Ellis
- Michael Fitzmaurice
- Terence Flanagan
- Tom Fleming
- John Halligan
- Séamus Healy
- Pádraig MacLochlainn
- Charlie McConalogue
- Mary Lou McDonald
- Finian McGrath
- Mattie McGrath
- Sandra McLellan
- Micheál Martin
- Peter Mathews
- Paul Murphy
- Denis Naughten
- Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin
- Seán Ó Fearghaíl
- Aengus Ó Snodaigh
- Jonathan O'Brien
- Maureen O'Sullivan
- Thomas Pringle
- Shane Ross
- Brendan Smith
- Brian Stanley
- Peadar Tóibín
- Robert Troy
12:45 pm
Michael Kitt (Galway East, Fianna Fail)
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Is the proposal for dealing with No. 1a,Industrial Relations (Amendment) Bill - Amendments from the Seanad, agreed to? Agreed. Is the proposal for dealing with No. 1b, Teaching Council (Amendment) Bill 2015 - Amendments from the Seanad, agreed to? Agreed. Is the proposal for dealing with No. 16, motion re appointment of a member of the Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission, agreed to? Agreed. Is the proposal that the Dáil, on its rising today, shall adjourn until 2 p.m. on Tuesday, 22 September 2015, agreed to? Agreed.
Members who wish to have conversations should conduct them outside the Chamber.