Eamon Gilmore (Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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It is proposed to take No. 8, motion re ministerial rota for parliamentary questions; No. 20, Finance (No. 2) Bill 2013 - Second Stage (resumed); and No. 21, Local Government Bill 2013 - Second Stage (resumed).

It is proposed, notwithstanding anything in Standing Orders, that the Dáil shall sit later than 9 p.m. and shall adjourn on the adjournment of Private Members' business, which shall be No. 128 - access to credit and shall adjourn after 90 minutes; No. 8 shall be decided without debate; the resumed Second Stage of No. 20 shall, if not previously concluded, be brought to a conclusion at 7.30 p.m., and a Minister or Minister of State shall be called upon not later than 7.15 p.m. to make a speech in reply; and the following business shall be taken tomorrow after Oral Questions: Health (Alteration of Criteria for Eligibility) (No. 2) Bill 2013 - Order for Second Stage and Second Stage.

Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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There are four proposals to be put to the House. Is the proposal that the Dáil shall sit later than 9 p.m. agreed to? Agreed. Is the proposal for dealing with No. 8 agreed to? Agreed. Is the proposal for dealing with No. 20 agreed to?

Seán Ó Fearghaíl (Kildare South, Fianna Fail)
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It is not agreed.

Gerry Adams (Louth, Sinn Fein)
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We will not push this to a vote but will the Tánaiste relax the guillotine? There may be Teachtaí Dála who want to speak on this Bill. If they do not turn up, then that is fair enough. It is such an important issue that everybody should be given the opportunity speak if he or she wishes.

Eamon Gilmore (Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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Ten hours have been given to the debate on this already. My understanding is that the time allocated should be sufficient to complete it. The House knows we have to complete this legislation as it is part of the exit from the bailout body of legislation which needs to be completed.

Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Is the proposal for dealing with the Health (Alteration of Criteria for Eligibility) (No. 2) Bill 2013 tomorrow agreed to? Agreed.

Seán Ó Fearghaíl (Kildare South, Fianna Fail)
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In the programme for Government, the Government promised to restore the Freedom of Information Act.

It said it would extend the remit of freedom of information "to other public bodies including the administrative side of the Garda Síochána [and] all bodies significantly funded from the public purse". The Bill that is currently being considered on Committee Stage does not extend the remit of the freedom of information regime to include the Garda, nor does it include the National Treasury Management Agency, the National Asset Management Agency or the newly formed Irish Water company. Instead, it increases the fees so that it will cost more to get information from the limited areas covered by freedom of information. I am reminded of what the Tánaiste's colleague, the Minister, Deputy Rabbitte, said about freedom of information when he was in opposition. He stated:

Freedom of information is not a service, it is a civil and political right. It is a democratic instrument through which citizens exercise their right to hold the Government to account. Charging an up-front fee for freedom of information requests is like charging an up-front fee to vote in a general election.

Eamon Gilmore (Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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I remind Deputy Ó Fearghaíl that it was the parties on this side of the House that first introduced the freedom of information legislation in 1997.

Seán Ó Fearghaíl (Kildare South, Fianna Fail)
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It was.

Eamon Gilmore (Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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His party filleted that legislation in 2003.

Emmet Stagg (Kildare North, Labour)
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It was filleted.

Eamon Gilmore (Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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We are restoring the Freedom of Information Act to which the Deputy's party did so much damage. Approximately 70% of freedom of information requests are made by members of the public who are seeking information on their own files, etc. No charge at all applies to such requests. The amendment mentioned by the Deputy relates to cases in which multiple applications are made in the same letter. It costs approximately €600, on average, to respond to a freedom of information request. That is taxpayers' money. I do not think it is unreasonable for the Minister, Deputy Howlin, to propose an amendment to deal with an anomaly or loophole that facilitates those who try to make several unrelated freedom of information requests in the same letter or application. As we consider the Freedom of Information Acts, we must strike a balance between the right to information and the considerable cost to the taxpayer of responding to freedom of information requests. Essentially, we are restoring the position that existed before the Deputy's party pulled apart the freedom of information system.

Seán Ó Fearghaíl (Kildare South, Fianna Fail)
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The Government is doing the direct opposite of what the Minister, Deputy Rabbitte, said it would do.

Eamon Gilmore (Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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The Deputy's party neutered it.

Gerry Adams (Louth, Sinn Fein)
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In the context of the proposed Central Bank (consolidation) Bill, does the Tánaiste believe new banking legislation is needed in light of the appointment of a bank to run Newbridge credit union? If such a change is not needed, will the Tánaiste give an assurance that the State will work with the credit union movement if other problems arise to find a credit union-based solution?

Eamon Gilmore (Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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The Central Bank (consolidation) Bill, which will consolidate the body of legislation relating to the Central Bank into a single statute - this is desirable given the amount of banking legislation we have had in recent years - is to be published next year. Action has been taken in relation to Newbridge credit union under the existing legislation.

Mattie McGrath (Tipperary South, Independent)
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In the context of the EirGrid Bill, I would like to ask about the situation-----

Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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To what Bill does the Deputy refer?

Mattie McGrath (Tipperary South, Independent)
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I am referring to the promised legislation with regard to EirGrid.

Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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What EirGrid Bill?

Mattie McGrath (Tipperary South, Independent)
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I was concerned to read today that a former chairman of An Bord Pleanála, who retired in 2011, has been appointed as the chief executive of EirGrid.

Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Sorry, hold it a second. What EirGrid Bill are we talking about?

Paul Kehoe (Wexford, Fine Gael)
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There is no EirGrid Bill.

Mattie McGrath (Tipperary South, Independent)
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There is a Bill promised. I am after reading the book of proposed legislation. The Chief Whip should go back and read it.

Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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We are not talking about who has been appointed to what.

Mattie McGrath (Tipperary South, Independent)
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I am saying I am very concerned.

Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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We are talking about promised legislation.

Mattie McGrath (Tipperary South, Independent)
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I am asking when the EirGrid Bill will be published.

Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Thank you. That is grand.

Mattie McGrath (Tipperary South, Independent)
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They need to be reined in because a former chairman of An Bord Pleanála has been appointed as the boss of EirGrid.

Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Please do not be-----

Mattie McGrath (Tipperary South, Independent)
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I have not mentioned a name.

Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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That is insinuating something.

Mattie McGrath (Tipperary South, Independent)
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This is farcical, a Cheann Comhairle.

Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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It is not proper to do a thing like that.

Mattie McGrath (Tipperary South, Independent)
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No, this is-----

Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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You are insinuating something. Please do not do that.

Mattie McGrath (Tipperary South, Independent)
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I am insinuating that a former chairman of An Bord Pleanála-----

Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Sit down.

Mattie McGrath (Tipperary South, Independent)
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The public out there will have to ask-----

Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Will you sit down, or I will not call you again?

Mattie McGrath (Tipperary South, Independent)
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People have to go to An Bord Pleanála to save themselves.

Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Sit down, will you?

Mattie McGrath (Tipperary South, Independent)
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Now its former chairman has been-----

Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Sit down.

Mattie McGrath (Tipperary South, Independent)
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It is disgraceful.

Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Cut it out now please.

Mattie McGrath (Tipperary South, Independent)
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If the Chief Whip checks, he will find that this legislation is on the Order Paper.

Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Hold on a second please. The Deputy will not make insinuations like that as long as I am in the Chair. People's reputations are going to be protected in this House.

Mattie McGrath (Tipperary South, Independent)
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It is a charade.

Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Make your insinuations outside the House and take the consequences.

Eamon Gilmore (Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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The initial preparatory work on the EirGrid Bill, which will establish EirGrid in primary legislation, is under way. The Bill will be published next year.

Mattie McGrath (Tipperary South, Independent)
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I thank the Tánaiste.

Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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I call Deputy Healy-Rae about promised legislation. No speeches, please. Thank you.

Michael Healy-Rae (Kerry South, Independent)
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I am being attacked before I start.

Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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No, you are not being attacked. I am just reminding you of what it is.

Michael Healy-Rae (Kerry South, Independent)
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Thank you very much, a Cheann Comhairle.

Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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I do not want to see what happens every day.

Michael Healy-Rae (Kerry South, Independent)
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In the context of the Central Bank (consolidation) Bill, the Tánaiste will be aware of the serious situation with regard to a company that was exporting cattle but has now gone into receivership.

Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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That is grand.

Michael Healy-Rae (Kerry South, Independent)
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It was buying cattle at marts locally.

Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Thanks, Deputy. Sit down, will you?

Michael Healy-Rae (Kerry South, Independent)
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I am just explaining so that the Tánaiste will understand what I am speaking about.

Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Not on the Order of Business.

Michael Healy-Rae (Kerry South, Independent)
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What can be done to protect marts-----

Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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The Deputy can table a parliamentary question.

Michael Healy-Rae (Kerry South, Independent)
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-----and to protect farmers who have-----

Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Will you resume your seat, please?

Michael Healy-Rae (Kerry South, Independent)
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I will.

Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Thank you.

Eamon Gilmore (Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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I gave an answer with regard to the Central Bank (consolidation) Bill in response to Deputy Adams. It is to be published next year.

Michael Healy-Rae (Kerry South, Independent)
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Does the Tánaiste have a comment to make on the protection of marts and farmers?

Eamon Gilmore (Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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Sorry, what?

Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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No, no. Please do not jump to the bait.

Michael Healy-Rae (Kerry South, Independent)
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I think the other Minister knows what I am talking about.

Tommy Broughan (Dublin North East, Labour)
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I would like to raise two matters of legislation or possible legislation. Many citizens regard the Supreme Court decision on the Lissadell House rights of way issue as deplorable. It seems to set a very high standard in relation to-----

Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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About what Bill is the Deputy talking?

Tommy Broughan (Dublin North East, Labour)
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The Tánaiste used to have an interest in the maintenance-----

Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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No, no. This is the Order of Business.

Tommy Broughan (Dublin North East, Labour)
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I am just asking-----

Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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I need the co-operation of Deputies.

Tommy Broughan (Dublin North East, Labour)
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I want to ask him, in response-----

Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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We have a postponed vote coming up.

Tommy Broughan (Dublin North East, Labour)
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-----to that judgment, whether the Government might examine and revisit the issue of access.

Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Is there promised legislation?

Tommy Broughan (Dublin North East, Labour)
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I am thinking, obviously, of rights of way in my own constituency in places like Howth.

Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Sorry, Deputy.

Tommy Broughan (Dublin North East, Labour)
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Second, I would like to ask about the housing Bill. The Tánaiste reported to the House the other day that approximately 4,500 houses will be developed next year. There are 5,000 people on the waiting list in my own constituency, Dublin Bay North. That is just one of 41 constituencies. As the Tánaiste knows, we have a dire situation in the Dublin City Council area, in particular.

Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Thank you, Deputy.

Tommy Broughan (Dublin North East, Labour)
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People have been on the housing list since 1994 or 1998. I accept that is well before the Tánaiste's time.

Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Deputy, please.

Tommy Broughan (Dublin North East, Labour)
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Can urgent support be given to the four Dublin local authorities, in particular-----

Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Would you please resume your seat?

Tommy Broughan (Dublin North East, Labour)
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-----to help them deal with the current housing situation?

Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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I call the Tánaiste on the housing Bill only.

Tommy Broughan (Dublin North East, Labour)
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Other Deputies are aware of this too.

Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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I ask Deputies to read the Standing Orders and to understand what is allowable on the Order of Business and what is not. I do not want to be cutting people off every day. It is quite clear that in the case of promised legislation, Deputies can ask when it will be published.

Eamon Gilmore (Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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The housing (miscellaneous provisions) Bill is due to be published next year.

Tommy Broughan (Dublin North East, Labour)
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What about my first question?

Eamon Gilmore (Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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It was out of order.

Dessie Ellis (Dublin North West, Sinn Fein)
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All morning, I have been dealing with people and families-----

Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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That is grand.

Dessie Ellis (Dublin North West, Sinn Fein)
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-----who are on rent supplement-----

Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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I am delighted to hear you were working all morning.

Dessie Ellis (Dublin North West, Sinn Fein)
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-----and have been served with notices-----

Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Will the Deputy ask about a Bill?

Dessie Ellis (Dublin North West, Sinn Fein)
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-----by landlords looking to increase rents. There has been a 7.8% increase in private rents.

Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Deputy, you were not listening to me.

Dessie Ellis (Dublin North West, Sinn Fein)
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I am talking about the housing Bill. I am coming to it.

Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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The Tánaiste has just given an answer on the housing Bill.

Dessie Ellis (Dublin North West, Sinn Fein)
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The Minister for Social Protection-----

Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Sorry, Deputy, would you resume your seat? An answer has been given on the housing Bill.

Dessie Ellis (Dublin North West, Sinn Fein)
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-----plans to transfer responsibility for rent supplement to the local authorities.

Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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No, no, Deputy-----

Dessie Ellis (Dublin North West, Sinn Fein)
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That is coming under the housing Bill. We need an urgent debate on this. Families are being served notice left, right and centre.

Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Deputy, will you please resume your seat?

Dessie Ellis (Dublin North West, Sinn Fein)
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I have been dealing with them all morning. The situation is getting worse.

Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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I am on my feet.

Dessie Ellis (Dublin North West, Sinn Fein)
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Landlords are throwing people out on the streets for the sake of €50 or €100.

Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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I am on my feet. Would you please resume you seat?

Dessie Ellis (Dublin North West, Sinn Fein)
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I think we urgently need a debate on this matter in this House.

Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Resume your seat. Thank you. You got your answer about the housing Bill.

Dessie Ellis (Dublin North West, Sinn Fein)
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I did not get an answer.

Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Yes, you did.

Dessie Ellis (Dublin North West, Sinn Fein)
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I did not get an answer to my question about what the Government is going to do about it.

Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Can the Tánaiste remind the Deputy when it is being published?

Eamon Gilmore (Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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The housing (miscellaneous provisions) Bill, which will strengthen the regulatory framework for social housing and provide for the statutory underpinning of the new scheme of housing assistance payments and various other matters, will be published next year.

Robert Dowds (Dublin Mid West, Labour)
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In light of yesterday's Lissadell judgment, will the Government consider-----

Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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We have dealt with that.

Robert Dowds (Dublin Mid West, Labour)
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This relates to legislation.

Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Yes, but it is not promised legislation.

Robert Dowds (Dublin Mid West, Labour)
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Will the Government consider looking at the Bill I brought to the floor of the House before the summer recess? There are serious questions on access.

Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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This is a Private Members' Bill.

Eamon Gilmore (Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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It is. Deputy Dowds has taken a very strong interest in this issue for quite some time and well before the judgement in the Lissadell case, on which I commend him. The Government is considering the issue and is considering the Deputy's Bill. I understand it is being dealt with by the committee.

Peter Fitzpatrick (Louth, Fine Gael)
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When can we expect the publication of the regulation of vehicle immobilisation Bill, to regulate vehicle clamping and tow away?

Eamon Gilmore (Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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The heads of the regulation of vehicle immobilisation Bill, to regulate vehicle clamping and tow away have been approved by the Government and it is expected to be published in the middle of next year.

Eamonn Maloney (Dublin South West, Labour)
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What is the status of the Spent Convictions Bill?

Eamon Gilmore (Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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I understand the Bill is awaiting Report Stage.

Dara Calleary (Mayo, Fianna Fail)
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Does the Government plan to introduce an amendment to the Social Welfare and Pensions Bill to give legislative underpinning to the European youth guarantee?

The point Deputy Mattie McGrath raised about the EirGrid Bill is important and should be considered not in terms of the individual but of the conflict of two roles.

Eamon Gilmore (Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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No legislation is required to deal with the European youth guarantee and it can be dealt with under existing legislation. If legislation arises, it will be prepared and put before the House.

Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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When is the EirGrid Bill?

Eamon Gilmore (Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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The EirGrid Bill is due next year.

Peter Mathews (Dublin South, Independent)
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Will the Government consider creating a framework of appraisal or review of the financial sector within the Central Bank (consolidation) Bill to evaluate and assess on a quarterly basis the percentage in value and the percentage in various maturity dates-----

Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Sorry, Deputy-----

Peter Mathews (Dublin South, Independent)
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There is a danger here that the credit union-----

Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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The content of the Bill can be discussed when it comes to the House. We are not talking about what should or should not be in the Bill.

Peter Mathews (Dublin South, Independent)
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There must be a purpose to a Bill.

Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Yes.

Peter Mathews (Dublin South, Independent)
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The purpose of the Bill is to consolidate the financial sector-----

Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Correct.

Peter Mathews (Dublin South, Independent)
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-----under the Central Bank. Unless there is an objective in creating this legislation, which is to-----

Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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We cannot discuss the content of a Bill at this point.

Peter Mathews (Dublin South, Independent)
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I am talking about just a broad overview framework.

Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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That is fine, but the Deputy cannot do it on the Order of Business. That is what I am trying to explain to the Deputy. We do not do that on the Order of Business. We have the Topical Issue debate, parliamentary questions and committee work.

Peter Mathews (Dublin South, Independent)
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My question is-----

Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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What is the question?

Peter Mathews (Dublin South, Independent)
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-----whether it will address all these concerns.

Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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That is not a matter for the Tánaiste at this stage. When is the Bill due?

Eamon Gilmore (Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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The Central Bank (consolidation) Bill is consolidating the legislation that is enacted. It is to pull it all together into a single piece-----

Peter Mathews (Dublin South, Independent)
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My question-----

Eamon Gilmore (Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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-----of legislation in order that the public can get a better understanding of it.

Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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When is it due?

Eamon Gilmore (Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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The work on the consolidation exercise is proceeding and it will be published next year.

Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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The Deputy has ample time to raise the matter in the Topical Issue debate or parliamentary questions in order that it can be considered before the Bill is published. Alternatively, he can raise it at the committee, but not on the Order of Business.

James Bannon (Longford-Westmeath, Fine Gael)
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Our monuments represent the glue that holds communities together and give places a sense of identity. When will we have the monuments Bill?

Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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The monuments Bill.

James Bannon (Longford-Westmeath, Fine Gael)
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Many people were quite annoyed.

Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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I am sure.

James Bannon (Longford-Westmeath, Fine Gael)
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Visitors to our country during the year of The Gathering were disappointed at the state of our monuments.

Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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We will talk about that when the Bill comes in.

Eamon Gilmore (Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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The monuments Bill, which is to consolidate, update and improve the legislative code governing the protection and regulation of the national archaeological heritage, is due for publication late next year.

Bernard Durkan (Kildare North, Fine Gael)
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When is the National Treasury Management Agency (amendment) Bill likely to be before the House?

Eamon Gilmore (Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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We expect to have the Bill before the House during this session.

Denis Naughten (Roscommon-South Leitrim, Independent)
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There is precedence for a Minister to engage with a receiver. As we know, TLT in Mullingar has many outstanding debts to farmers and marts. When will we see the credit guarantee (amendment) Bill? I understand enough money is due to the company to meet those liabilities.

Eamon Gilmore (Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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I do not have a date for the publication of that Bill.

Denis Naughten (Roscommon-South Leitrim, Independent)
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Can the Tánaiste have a word with the Minister for Agriculture, Food and Marine?

Eamon Gilmore (Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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I will try to get a reply for the Deputy.

Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Perhaps the Deputy could table a parliamentary question.

Denis Naughten (Roscommon-South Leitrim, Independent)
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The TLT issue is a huge issue coming up to Christmas for many people who are owed money.

Eamon Gilmore (Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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I will ask for a reply. I think it is a Department of Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation Bill. I will ask the Minister to reply directly to the Deputy.