Mick Wallace (Wexford, Independent)
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8. To ask the Minister for Defence the cost to the Defence Forces of providing security for US military planes at Shannon airport. [46647/13]

Mick Wallace (Wexford, Independent)
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30. To ask the Minister for Defence the reason at least one Irish soldier was on the ground at Shannon on 7 September when a US Air Force Hercules C130 was present. [46646/13]

Mick Wallace (Wexford, Independent)
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Section 317 of the Defence Act 1954 states: "No person shall, save with the consent in writing of a Minister of State, enter or land in the State while wearing any foreign uniform." Only a few years ago, our current President, Mr. Michael D. Higgins, described statements by the then Government in respect of Shannon as one untruth followed by another. What is the cost relating to the provision at security at Shannon Airport and why is taxpayers' money being used to protect US forces at Shannon, particularly when the latter are in breach of Irish neutrality and are very often en route to countries further afield in order to breach international law?

Alan Shatter (Dublin South, Fine Gael)
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It is extraordinary that the Deputy's only international bête noire is the United States. He obviously is not concerned that 100,000 people have been killed in Syria or that there are difficulties in the other parts of the world for which no one can hold the United States responsible.

Finian McGrath (Dublin North Central, Independent)
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What about the 100,000 civilians killed in Iraq?

Alan Shatter (Dublin South, Fine Gael)
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In relation to the Deputy's question, An Garda Síochána has primary responsibility for law and order, including the protection of the internal security of the State. Among the roles assigned to the Defence Forces is the provision of aid to the civil power, ATCP, which in practice means assisting an Garda Síochána when requested to do so. These ATCP security duties include the protection and guarding of vital installations and the provision of armed security escorts. From time to time, the Garda also requests support from the Defence Forces at Shannon Airport. Such assistance has been provided by the Defence Forces since 5 February 2003. I can confirm that on the 7 September last, members of the Defence Forces were requested by the Garda to assist with security duties at Shannon Airport.

The following items are taken into consideration when calculating the costs involved in providing ATCP at Shannon Airport - security duty allowance, rations and fuel. The costs incurred for the period 2010 to 2012 inclusive were as follows:

The costs for 2013 are expected to be broadly in line with 2012.

Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Am I correct in stating that the Minister is dealing with questions Nos. 8 and 30?

Alan Shatter (Dublin South, Fine Gael)
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Apparently so.

Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Both questions are in the name of Deputy Wallace.

Finian McGrath (Dublin North Central, Independent)
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Will other Members be able to contribute?

Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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If we have time.

Mick Wallace (Wexford, Independent)
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I have as much respect for the likes of Vladimir Putin and what he does to disturb world peace as I have for Barack Obama, Islamic militants, Israel or whomever. I am opposed to all forms of terrorism, be they perpetrated by an individual or a state.

In March 2011, the Labour Party - Fine Gael's partner in government - stated that it would be enforcing The Hague convention on neutrality. According to the convention, which defines the rights and duties of international law, neutral countries are forbidden to move troops or convoys of munitions of war or supplies across their territory. We have seen pictures of soldiers with guns, and not just in uniforms, on the ground at Shannon. I do not believe that this is appropriate if the country is to have any semblance of neutrality. We like to think that we are neutral in some way.

Alan Shatter (Dublin South, Fine Gael)
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As the Deputy knows, US planes transporting members of that country's military have landed at Shannon for many years. There is no reason, in the context of the use of Shannon, that we should impede such transportation in any way. Indeed, there is no suggestion of which I am aware of any difficulties arising at Shannon Airport. I draw to the Deputy's attention that the business generated as a result of this use of Shannon is very important in the context of maintaining the viability of the airport, which plays a crucial role in the context of facilitating access from the United States through to other locations. I really do not understand what is the Deputy's difficulty. There is no suggestion that American soldiers landing in Shannon have ever behaved inappropriately or have done anything other than contribute to the local economy.

Finian McGrath (Dublin North Central, Independent)
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They are just on their way to kill people elsewhere.

Mick Wallace (Wexford, Independent)
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A few years ago, the current Tánaiste wondered why the then Government had not complied with a request from the Human Rights Commission to inspect aircraft travelling through Shannon. The Minister states that this use of the airport is good for business. I accept that it is good for business but at what price? Let us not forget that plenty of civilians pass through Shannon. If we are going to allow military personnel who are often armed to pass through our airport in order that they can fly on to Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq or Yemen and destroy the lives of others, then I am of the view that the price for facilitating business is too high.

Finian McGrath (Dublin North Central, Independent)
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Hear, hear.

Clare Daly (Dublin North, Socialist Party)
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Absolutely.

Alan Shatter (Dublin South, Fine Gael)
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The Deputy has obviously failed to notice that there is a group in Afghanistan called the Taliban-----

Finian McGrath (Dublin North Central, Independent)
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Do its members travel through Shannon?

Alan Shatter (Dublin South, Fine Gael)
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-----which generally believes that it should enforce the most extreme form-----

Finian McGrath (Dublin North Central, Independent)
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The Minister's pal-----

Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Deputy Finian McGrath should allow the Minister to conclude.

Alan Shatter (Dublin South, Fine Gael)
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-----of Islamic law whereby no woman should be educated or appear in public without being completely covered-----

Mick Wallace (Wexford, Independent)
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This has nothing to do with the questions I tabled.

Finian McGrath (Dublin North Central, Independent)
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What has this got to do with Shannon? So the Minister supports the American war.

Alan Shatter (Dublin South, Fine Gael)
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----- and that girls going to school are seen as reasonable targets and can be shot. Also operating out of Afghanistan is al-Qaeda, which planned and carried out the destruction of the twin towers in New York. The Deputy seems to be of the view that the sole focus of evil in the world is the United States and that there are no other trouble spots on the face of the planet-----

Clare Daly (Dublin North, Socialist Party)
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Is the Taliban using Shannon?

Alan Shatter (Dublin South, Fine Gael)
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-----where individuals violate fundamental rights, seek to prevent normal communal activities and discriminate against women in a very foul way, treat them as second-class citizens and attempt to prevent them from accessing any form of education.

Mick Wallace (Wexford, Independent)
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The Minister might be interested to discover that 19 of the 20 people who were involved in the 9/11 attacks in America came from autocratic states protected by America.

Finian McGrath (Dublin North Central, Independent)
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Hear, hear. Those are the facts.

Mick Wallace (Wexford, Independent)
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The Minister should get his facts right.

Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Members are supposed to pose questions.

Finian McGrath (Dublin North Central, Independent)
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Yes, but the Minister is misinforming the House.

Alan Shatter (Dublin South, Fine Gael)
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I do not believe Deputy Wallace asked a question.

Finian McGrath (Dublin North Central, Independent)
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Will the Minister stop coming before the House and acting as the USA's poodle in respect of international issues? The reality is that many people who operate in the human rights arena are genuinely concerned about the use of Shannon Airport by people on their way to bomb and kill others. Those of us on the Opposition benches have always opposed all forms of violence but the Minister is blatantly supporting US policy, end of story.

Alan Shatter (Dublin South, Fine Gael)
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When one must use abuse, one is losing the argument.

Finian McGrath (Dublin North Central, Independent)
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There was no abuse.

Alan Shatter (Dublin South, Fine Gael)
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I would not describe myself as a poodle or any other type of dog. I like dogs and am of the view that we should encourage people to keep pets because the latter brighten their lives and give them other interests.

The only country Deputy Finian McGrath and some of his colleagues ever pillory for its conduct is the United States.

I would love to see him, Deputy Mick Wallace and perhaps Deputy Clare Daly jumping up in a similar manner to address issues involving the violation of fundamental rights by Russia or in Iran, Iraq and a whole range of other countries.

Mick Wallace (Wexford, Independent)
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Saudi Arabia.

Alan Shatter (Dublin South, Fine Gael)
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There are violations of rights, particularly of women, in Saudi Arabia.

Mick Wallace (Wexford, Independent)
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What about the Americans?

Alan Shatter (Dublin South, Fine Gael)
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The United States does not get everything right or do everything right. We are, however, dealing with a simple issue, namely, the transport of troops and the use of Shannon Airport. The airport has been used for many years in that context and there is no reason it should not continue to be so used. It is of particular benefit to the airport and the local economy that it is so used.