Dáil debates
Wednesday, 20 March 2013
Order of Business
5:35 pm
Simon Coveney (Cork South Central, Fine Gael)
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The Order of Business is No.10, motion re proposed approval by Dáil Éireann of An Bord Bia Act 1994 (Levy on Slaughtered or Exported Livestock) Order 2013; and No. 3, Health (Alteration of Criteria for Eligibility) Bill 2013 - Order for Second Stage and Second Stage. It is proposed, notwithstanding anything in Standing Orders, that No. 10 shall be decided without debate and that Private Members’ business, which shall be No. 98, motion re disability supports, shall also take place immediately after the Order of Business tomorrow and shall, if not previously concluded, be brought to a conclusion after 90 minutes on that day.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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There are two proposals to put to the House. Is the proposal that No.10 shall be decided without debate agreed? Agreed. Is the proposal for dealing with Private Member's business agreed? Agreed.
Michael McGrath (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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I wish to raise a number of items of legislation with the Minister. The first is the social welfare and pensions Bill, which among other measures will propose changes to the distribution of assets on the winding up of defined benefit pension schemes, which is an issue of growing concern. I ask the Minister to indicate when he expects that Bill to be taken in this House. Second, when does the Minister expect the national economic and social development office (amendment) Bill to be brought forward?
Simon Coveney (Cork South Central, Fine Gael)
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The national economic and social development office (amendment) Bill can be expected later this year. We expect the heads of the social welfare and pensions Bill to be published in April.
Pearse Doherty (Donegal South West, Sinn Fein)
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I wish to ask about legislation that may emanate from the publication last week of the Mercer report. We have the revelation that Mr. Richie Boucher is on a salary of €843,000 and I wish to point out to the Minister that four years ago, his party had a right go at the former Minister for Finance, the late Deputy Brian Lenihan. Indeed, Deputy Richard Bruton-----
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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The Deputy is supposed to be asking about promised legislation. We are not going to go back over the issue of Mr. Boucher again.
Pearse Doherty (Donegal South West, Sinn Fein)
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Deputy Bruton accused the then Minister for Finance of "bottling it" when he said that a cap of €500,000 on bankers' pay was adequate. Fine Gael, Sinn Féin and others all voted to reduce bankers' pay. The only people who did not vote to reduce it were members of the Fianna Fáil Party. The Government has no problem with threatening public sector workers with legislation to reduce their pay, effectively tearing up the contracts of employment for front line workers, including gardaí, nurses-----
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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What specific legislation is the Deputy speaking about?
Pearse Doherty (Donegal South West, Sinn Fein)
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When will we see legislation to reduce bankers' pay or is the Government bottling it, just as it accused the previous Government?
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Is there promised legislation in this area?
Simon Coveney (Cork South Central, Fine Gael)
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No. That is my understanding.
Pádraig Mac Lochlainn (Donegal North East, Sinn Fein)
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Does that answer apply to both parts of the question?
Pearse Doherty (Donegal South West, Sinn Fein)
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This Government is bottling it, just like the previous Government.
Simon Coveney (Cork South Central, Fine Gael)
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Deputy Doherty should stop grandstanding.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Deputies, please. We can not have conversations across the Chamber.
Ciarán Lynch (Cork South Central, Labour)
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The legislation being referred to by the Deputy is the Credit Institutions Stabilisation Act 2012. When that Act was passed, it put in place public interest directors in each of the banks that were recapitalised. I suspect that Deputy Doherty was not aware that this legislation actually deals with the matter.
Seán Ó Fearghaíl (Kildare South, Fianna Fail)
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We are lucky to have Deputy Lynch here to explain matters.
Ciarán Lynch (Cork South Central, Labour)
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One of the public interest directors that was appointed to the banks actually-----
Pádraig Mac Lochlainn (Donegal North East, Sinn Fein)
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I cannot believe the Deputy is referring to the public interest directors. That has nothing to do with this. That is a separate issue but a nice try.
Ciarán Lynch (Cork South Central, Labour)
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-----sits on the remuneration committee of Bank of Ireland and was the director who actually-----
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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That is a separate issue. We cannot deal with this on the Order of Business.
Timmy Dooley (Clare, Fianna Fail)
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Perhaps the Deputy could also raise the separate issue of upward only rent reviews, which he championed in opposition.
Ciarán Lynch (Cork South Central, Labour)
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-----passed the pay increase for Mr. Boucher. The question I put to the Minister is whether it is time for the Government to consider amending the Credit Institutions Stabilisation Act-----
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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That is a matter for another day.
Ciarán Lynch (Cork South Central, Labour)
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-----to ensure that when the public interest directors are making such decisions, they get sanction from Government.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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That is not related to promised legislation, Deputy Lynch. Deputy Boyd Barret please. I remind Deputies that we are dealing with promised legislation.
Ciarán Lynch (Cork South Central, Labour)
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I have put my question very simply and would like an answer.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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We are supposed to be dealing with promised legislation. We cannot have debates on whether Acts will be amended. If a Bill is on the list, we talk about it.
Ciarán Lynch (Cork South Central, Labour)
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With respect, a Cheann Comhairle-----
Timmy Dooley (Clare, Fianna Fail)
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The Deputy should raise it at his parliamentary party meeting.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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I am abiding by the Standing Orders of the House. Deputy Lynch is the Chairman of an Oireachtas committee and he knows all about Standing Orders. I ask the Deputy to resume his seat.
Ciarán Lynch (Cork South Central, Labour)
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This has nothing to do with Standing Orders. I am simply asking the Minister, with regard to the Credit Institutions Stabilisation Act 2012, which put in place public interest directors-----
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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I know all of that.
Ciarán Lynch (Cork South Central, Labour)
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Is the Government giving consideration to amending this legislation?
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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We do not ask about things that are under consideration. We ask about promised legislation.
Ciarán Lynch (Cork South Central, Labour)
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Yes, but two minutes ago, during Leaders' Questions-----
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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That is a different issue.
Ciarán Lynch (Cork South Central, Labour)
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Fair is fair.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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That is a different issue.
Ciarán Lynch (Cork South Central, Labour)
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I ask Deputies to be quiet and listen. They might learn something.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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This is the Order of Business.
Ciarán Lynch (Cork South Central, Labour)
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I ask the Ceann Comhairle to hear me out and give me a bit of latitude.
Timmy Dooley (Clare, Fianna Fail)
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Is Deputy Lynch going to deal with upward only rent reviews too?
Ciarán Lynch (Cork South Central, Labour)
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Under Leaders' Questions a few moments ago, the Minister, Deputy Coveney, said an examination is taking place within the banks with regard to payments. If the banks do not take the issue of payments in hand, the Government will examine the matter further. I would imagine, if the Government is doing that, it will look to the aforementioned Act and-----
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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No, Deputy.
Ciarán Lynch (Cork South Central, Labour)
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-----the role of the public interest directors.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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I will reply if the Deputy resumes his seat. We are on the Order of Business, which deals with promised legislation, that is, legislation that has been promised by the Government. Deputies can ask about when such legislation is likely to be introduced. Standing up and asking if the Government proposes to amend legislation that is not on the list is not in order under the Order of Business. I suggest the Deputy tables a parliamentary question and if he gets a reply to the effect that the Government is proposing to introduce new legislation, then he will be entirely in order on the Order of Business to raise it. Does Deputy Lynch understand that?
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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This is getting out of hand. I ask Deputy Lynch to resume his seat. I am quite clear about this and it applies to everybody in the Chamber. I have made a ruling and am moving on to Deputy Kelleher.
Richard Boyd Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, People Before Profit Alliance)
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I was next.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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I am sorry, Deputy Boyd Barrett.
Richard Boyd Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, People Before Profit Alliance)
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As we know, the protests of the Cypriot people have led to their Government rejecting the troika plan to raid their savings.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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We know all that, Deputy. What legislation does the Deputy wish to ask about? We are not having another speech.
Richard Boyd Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, People Before Profit Alliance)
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This arises under the Order of Business.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Under what heading?
Richard Boyd Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, People Before Profit Alliance)
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If events, such as those mentioned this morning-----
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Deputy Boyd Barrett, please resume your seat and do not try to cod me. Sit down please.
Richard Boyd Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, People Before Profit Alliance)
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I wish to ask about the possibility-----
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Please resume your seat.
Richard Boyd Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, People Before Profit Alliance)
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-----that Cyprus might pull out-----
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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I ask that the Deputy's microphone be switched off. Resume your seat, Deputy.
Richard Boyd Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, People Before Profit Alliance)
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I am asking-----
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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I am not dealing with the Cypriot matter now. We have already dealt with it and it has nothing to do with promised legislation.
Richard Boyd Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, People Before Profit Alliance)
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Is the Government going to allow time for a discussion-----
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Not on the Order of Business.
Richard Boyd Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, People Before Profit Alliance)
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-----of this major issue in the next few days?
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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The Deputy should have asked Deputy Halligan to raise the matter on his behalf during Leaders' Questions.
Simon Coveney (Cork South Central, Fine Gael)
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The matter could be raised through the Whips.
Billy Kelleher (Cork North Central, Fianna Fail)
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I do not wish to be out of order but-----
5:45 pm
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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I hope not. I am getting a bit tired of it.
Billy Kelleher (Cork North Central, Fianna Fail)
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I accept that. In the context of Dáil reform, today there were 85 questions-----
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Dáil reform does not come into it. The Deputy should refer to his Whip.
Simon Harris (Wicklow, Fine Gael)
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The Deputy should do better than that. What does it have to do with legislation?
Patrick O'Donovan (Limerick, Fine Gael)
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The Deputy was going great. Has he something else to speak about?
Billy Kelleher (Cork North Central, Fianna Fail)
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I need clarity on the issue. There was a shameful exercise today in the Dáil.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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I heard the Deputy on the monitor and the Dáil had to be suspended as a result of his behaviour.
Billy Kelleher (Cork North Central, Fianna Fail)
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No, it was a result of the Government's behaviour.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Resume your seat.
Billy Kelleher (Cork North Central, Fianna Fail)
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I just want clarity.
Patrick O'Donovan (Limerick, Fine Gael)
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The Deputy's party never did anything like it.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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You did not listen to the Leas-Cheann Comhairle. Resume your seat.
Billy Kelleher (Cork North Central, Fianna Fail)
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I want to know, in the context of promised legislation-----
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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No. What promised legislation?
Billy Kelleher (Cork North Central, Fianna Fail)
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-----and Dáil reform-----
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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It has nothing to do with Dáil reform. I call Deputy Ó Snodaigh.
Billy Kelleher (Cork North Central, Fianna Fail)
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Dáil reform requires legislation-----
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Resume your seat.
Billy Kelleher (Cork North Central, Fianna Fail)
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-----and it must address the number of questions being tabled by the Fine Gael press office.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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I call Deputy Ó Snodaigh.
Billy Kelleher (Cork North Central, Fianna Fail)
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Everybody knows it was shameful. There were 85 questions written-----
Simon Harris (Wicklow, Fine Gael)
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He is critical because we are working too hard.
Patrick O'Donovan (Limerick, Fine Gael)
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The Deputy was well able to ask questions about County Leitrim.
Billy Kelleher (Cork North Central, Fianna Fail)
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-----by the Fine Gael press office.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Deputies on the Government side should stay quiet.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Deputy Ó Snodaigh, I ask that at least one Deputy be in order.
Aengus Ó Snodaigh (Dublin South Central, Sinn Fein)
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I will try to be, although sometimes it is difficult.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Thank you. It would be a breath of fresh air to hear somebody ask about promised legislation.
Timmy Dooley (Clare, Fianna Fail)
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We have reached a new point.
Aengus Ó Snodaigh (Dublin South Central, Sinn Fein)
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I cannot live up to that.
Patrick O'Donovan (Limerick, Fine Gael)
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It is a new one.
Aengus Ó Snodaigh (Dublin South Central, Sinn Fein)
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Promises were made before the last election and in the programme for Government to address an area requiring legislation that would protect jobs. Accessorize and Monsoon will close ten of 18 stores-----
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Deputy-----
Aengus Ó Snodaigh (Dublin South Central, Sinn Fein)
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There is a reason behind this.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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That may be so but to what legislation is the Deputy speaking?
Aengus Ó Snodaigh (Dublin South Central, Sinn Fein)
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There are 269 jobs at risk.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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The Deputy should resume his seat.
Aengus Ó Snodaigh (Dublin South Central, Sinn Fein)
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I will refer to two pieces of legislation.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Please switch off the Deputy's microphone.
Aengus Ó Snodaigh (Dublin South Central, Sinn Fein)
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I will outline the two pieces of legislation, if the Ceann Comhairle bears with me.
Michael McGrath (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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Just one question, a Cheann Comhairle.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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I allowed the Deputy to raise a Topical Issue matter today and he could have used the time to raise this matter. He is not having two bites of the cherry.
Aengus Ó Snodaigh (Dublin South Central, Sinn Fein)
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This is not a case of having two bites of the cherry. The landlord and tenant Bill is one promised piece of legislation, with the other being the land conveyancing Bill.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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When will we have the landlord and tenant Bill?
Aengus Ó Snodaigh (Dublin South Central, Sinn Fein)
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Does the Government intend to have a referendum to deal with upward only rent reviews? We will have referendums in the autumn, which would be an ideal time to have a referendum to deal with the issue. The advice of the Attorney General to the Government has not been published so nobody can understand why the Government-----
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Resume your seat. When will the Bill be before the House?
Aengus Ó Snodaigh (Dublin South Central, Sinn Fein)
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-----does not want to comply with the programme for Government.
Simon Coveney (Cork South Central, Fine Gael)
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The landlord and tenant Bill will be published before the end of the year. The land and conveyancing Bill was approved last week.
Joan Collins (Dublin South Central, People Before Profit Alliance)
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Last week, I asked the Taoiseach if the Minister for Health had received the report on the death of Ms Savita Halappanavar and it was indicated that he had not. Why is that so? The draft report was initially leaked-----
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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What is the question?
Joan Collins (Dublin South Central, People Before Profit Alliance)
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------and we were told we would have it in two weeks. Why have we not received it?
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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We do not deal with "why" on the Order of Business. Is there any information on the publication of the report?
Simon Coveney (Cork South Central, Fine Gael)
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My understanding is that the Minister concerned does not yet have the report. When he does, he will give a copy to the family first before bringing it to the Cabinet. He does not have a finalised copy of the report.
Joan Collins (Dublin South Central, People Before Profit Alliance)
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It is eight weeks on.
Michael Healy-Rae (Kerry South, Independent)
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The Ceann Comhairle will be delighted to know that I will be in order.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Thanks be to God.
Michael Healy-Rae (Kerry South, Independent)
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It is very disappointing today to see members of the Garda Representative Association, which represents rank and file gardaí throughout the country, protesting outside the Dáil today.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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What piece of legislation is the Deputy speaking about?
Michael Healy-Rae (Kerry South, Independent)
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The question relates to the Croke Park II agreement or promised legislation that the Government is threatening to introduce if there is no agreement. I want confirmation-----
Simon Harris (Wicklow, Fine Gael)
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About a threat, apparently.
Michael McGrath (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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There is promised legislation.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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The Deputy will get no confirmation if there is no promised legislation.
Michael Healy-Rae (Kerry South, Independent)
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It is promised.
Timmy Dooley (Clare, Fianna Fail)
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It is threatened.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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What is it?
Michael Healy-Rae (Kerry South, Independent)
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The Government has indicated it will introduce legislation.
Michael McGrath (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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There is no name on it yet, but it is promised.
Billy Kelleher (Cork North Central, Fianna Fail)
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It is the "intimidation of public sector workers Bill".
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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I do not need any help from Deputy Kelleher.
Patrick O'Donovan (Limerick, Fine Gael)
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The Deputy's party never did anything like that.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Deputy Kelleher is taking on a major role as rabble rouser in this Dáil.
Michael Healy-Rae (Kerry South, Independent)
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The Government has said that if there is no agreement, it will legislate.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Is there promised legislation?
Michael Healy-Rae (Kerry South, Independent)
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It is disappointing to see gardaí having to protest outside Leinster House.
Patrick O'Donovan (Limerick, Fine Gael)
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They could be brought in with a family pass.
Simon Coveney (Cork South Central, Fine Gael)
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If legislation is required following the-----
Niall Collins (Limerick, Fianna Fail)
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Failure.
Aengus Ó Snodaigh (Dublin South Central, Sinn Fein)
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Rejection.
Simon Coveney (Cork South Central, Fine Gael)
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-----introduction of the Croke Park II agreement, we will update the House when it happens.
Michael McGrath (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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It will be required either way.
Bernard Durkan (Kildare North, Fine Gael)
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I have a question on legislation to prevent repeat offending in the criminal world. The bail Bill has been on the books for a long time and was promised during the time of the previous Government. When is it likely to come before the House and have the heads been fully approved and discussed by the Cabinet? A housing crisis exists in the country so will it be possible to indicate when the housing Bill will come before the House?
Simon Coveney (Cork South Central, Fine Gael)
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As a result of the size of the housing legislation, it will be split into three Bills. The first will be introduced in the next session and we hope the other two will come before the end of the year. There is no date for the bail Bill as the heads of the legislation have not yet come to the Cabinet.
Timmy Dooley (Clare, Fianna Fail)
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The Minister is aware of the concerns of many citizens living in newly built estates that have yet to be taken in charge by local authorities. Some of these estates require a relatively small amount of work to be completed to allow them to be taken in charge by the authorities. There seems to be a log-jam at local authority level-----
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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About what?
Timmy Dooley (Clare, Fianna Fail)
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This concerns the taking in charge of these estates.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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What legislation are we talking about?
Timmy Dooley (Clare, Fianna Fail)
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It is the housing Bill. When is it intended to bring that forward as many people are affected by lights and sewerage services being turned off?
Emmet Stagg (Kildare North, Labour)
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There is no need for extra legislation in that respect.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Many of these questions can be dealt with by way of a parliamentary question. This is the Order of Business.
Timmy Dooley (Clare, Fianna Fail)
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With respect, they filibustered the questions process today, as Deputy Kelleher attempted to deal with.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Please resume your seat.
Patrick O'Donovan (Limerick, Fine Gael)
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The Deputy's party never did that.
Timmy Dooley (Clare, Fianna Fail)
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I am trying to be helpful.
Simon Coveney (Cork South Central, Fine Gael)
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The Deputy is one to speak about filibustering. I just answered the question on the housing Bill. The answer would be the same.
Seán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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He probably was not listening. When is it due?
Simon Coveney (Cork South Central, Fine Gael)
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The housing legislation will be split into three parts, with the first of those to be introduced in the next session. We hope the other two Bills will be introduced before the end of the year.
Séamus Kirk (Louth, Fianna Fail)
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The CAP agreement was raised during the Topical Issue debate, although I was not around at the time. Will the Minister advise if there will be statements in the House?
Simon Coveney (Cork South Central, Fine Gael)
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We had a Topical Issue debate on the matter today with Deputy Ó Cuív.
Timmy Dooley (Clare, Fianna Fail)
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The red carpet was rolled out all day.
Simon Coveney (Cork South Central, Fine Gael)
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We began statements on the CAP last week and the debate is open-ended. That is a deliberate process, and we had approximately 90 minutes of debate before the CAP negotiations last night. I hope to continue the debate for as long as people wish, as it is a significant policy issue and the House must contribute to it.