Dáil debates

Thursday, 24 January 2013

10:50 am

Photo of Eamon GilmoreEamon Gilmore (Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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It is proposed to take No. 13, motion re proposed approval by Dáil Éireann of the Agreement to Improve Tax Compliance and Provide for Reporting and Exchange of Information concerning Tax Matters (United States of America) Order 2013 (back from committee); No. 14, motion re proposed approval by Dáil Éireann of the Exchange of Information Relating to Taxes (Montserrat) Order 2013 (back from committee); No. 3, Euro Area Loan Facility (Amendment) Bill 2013 - Order for Committee, Committee and Remaining Stages; No. 28, Residential Tenancies (Amendment) (No. 2) Bill 2012 - Second Stage (resumed); and No. 29, Electoral (Amendment) (Dáil Constituencies) Bill 2012 - Second Stage (resumed).

It is proposed, notwithstanding anything in Standing Orders, that Nos. 13 and 14 shall be decided without debate.

11:00 am

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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There is one proposal to be put to the House. Is the proposal for dealing with Nos. 13 and 14, motions on proposed approval by Dáil Éireann of agreements to improve tax compliance and exchange of information relating to taxes without debate, agreed to? Agreed.

Photo of Micheál MartinMicheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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On promised health legislation, a serious situation is developing in respect of access universal health care, which is the core aim of the Government in respect of its health policy. More than 40,000 people will have their medical cards taken from them under the health service plan and thousands of people are leaving private health insurance because of the increase in premia. Moreover, further increases will be imposed this year. Premia are at an all-time high and the accident and emergency wards are under enormous pressure. However, my point is that Members were promised the health (amendment) (No. 2) Bill, which was to deal with a wide range of eligibility issues. The health (amendment) Bill, which is a separate Bill, pertains to the extension of eligibility to medical cards. I also refer to the status of the health, private patient charges, Bill. Increasingly, people cannot make sense of what is emanating from the Minister for Health in respect of his legislative proposals and the reality on the ground in the health service. The circle cannot be squared and the situation is worsening.

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Thank you, Deputy, this is not an extension of Leaders' Questions.

Photo of Micheál MartinMicheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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Two years have elapsed without any governance of health.

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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It is about the Order of Business.

Photo of Micheál MartinMicheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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While the Bill pertaining to health governance is being introduced next week, there has been no governance in health for the past two years and it is showing in terms of the management of the service itself.

Photo of Pat RabbittePat Rabbitte (Dublin South West, Labour)
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I remember a period like that a few years ago, where there was none for four years.

Photo of Micheál MartinMicheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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When will the aforementioned three Bills come before the House?

Photo of Eamon GilmoreEamon Gilmore (Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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Deputy Martin himself was Minister for Health and Children and his legacy was that he did not read his brief.

Photo of Bernard DurkanBernard Durkan (Kildare North, Fine Gael)
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Yes.

Photo of Eamon GilmoreEamon Gilmore (Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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As a consequence of not reading the brief, he cost the Irish taxpayer a small fortune.

Photo of Micheál MartinMicheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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Will the Tánaiste answer the question?

Photo of Dara CallearyDara Calleary (Mayo, Fianna Fail)
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I do not think the Tánaiste read his brief this morning.

Photo of Eamon GilmoreEamon Gilmore (Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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However, that of course was in times when money was plentiful-----

Photo of Micheál MartinMicheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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By the way, that is not true.

Photo of Eamon GilmoreEamon Gilmore (Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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-----and the Deputy thought it could be poured down the drain.

Photo of Micheál MartinMicheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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That is completely untrue.

Photo of Eamon GilmoreEamon Gilmore (Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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This is the reason we have ended up in our present position-----

Photo of Micheál MartinMicheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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Telling untruths is nothing new for the Tánaiste.

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Sorry, would you please allow the Tánaiste to reply?

Photo of Eamon GilmoreEamon Gilmore (Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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-----with an enormous mess in the public finances-----

Photo of Micheál MartinMicheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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Answer the question.

Photo of Eamon GilmoreEamon Gilmore (Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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-----that the present Government must clean up after him. In good times-----

Photo of Michael Healy-RaeMichael Healy-Rae (Kerry South, Independent)
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The Tánaiste should look forward.

Photo of Micheál MartinMicheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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The Tánaiste should look to his own record and what he is responsible for.

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Thank you. When is the legislation promised?

Photo of Micheál MartinMicheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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The Tánaiste stood over that Minister when he shafted one of the Tánaiste's own Ministers.

Photo of Eamon GilmoreEamon Gilmore (Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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In good times, Deputy Martin made a mess of the health services. The legislation-----

Photo of Micheál MartinMicheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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The Tánaiste lacked the bottle to take him on and allowed one of his Ministers to go.

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Sorry, hold on a minute. Hold on a second-----

Photo of Eamon GilmoreEamon Gilmore (Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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In good times, Deputy Martin-----

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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-----I am not putting up with this. This is about promised legislation.

Photo of Micheál MartinMicheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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Yes, and he will not answer.

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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The Tánaiste will reply as to when the Bill is due.

Photo of Micheál MartinMicheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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He will not answer.

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Thank you.

Photo of Eamon GilmoreEamon Gilmore (Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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You could not run the health services efficiently.

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Speak through me.

Photo of Eamon GilmoreEamon Gilmore (Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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As for your legacy and record, your record was miserable.

Photo of Micheál MartinMicheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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I will stand over my record on the health services any day in comparison with that of you or the Labour Party.

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Tánaiste, speak through me please.

Photo of Micheál MartinMicheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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You allowed your Minister, who had principles, to walk away.

Photo of Eamon GilmoreEamon Gilmore (Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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You left the Government with a HSE-----

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Hold on a second Tánaiste, I am on my feet. I am not going to tolerate this shouting and roaring across the Chamber. This is the Order of Business, where Deputies are entitled to ask about promised legislation, full stop, no speeches. Will the Tánaiste please reply to the request as to when these Bills will be introduced?

Photo of Eamon GilmoreEamon Gilmore (Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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The health (amendment) (No. 2) Bill will be published this session. The health (amendment) (No. 3) Bill will be published in 2013, the health (amendment) Bill will be published in this session and the health (private patient charges) Bill will be published this session.

Photo of Micheál MartinMicheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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I thank the Tánaiste.

Photo of Bernard DurkanBernard Durkan (Kildare North, Fine Gael)
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Does the Deputy feel better now?

Photo of Pat RabbittePat Rabbitte (Dublin South West, Labour)
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The Deputy still has not read the Travers report.

Photo of Emmet StaggEmmet Stagg (Kildare North, Labour)
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The Deputy still did not read the briefs.

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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I call Deputy McDonald. We do not want any speeches.

A Deputy:

We definitely want to brief the Deputy.

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Please let the Deputy ask a question about legislation. Thank you. We have had Leaders' Questions.

Photo of Mary Lou McDonaldMary Lou McDonald (Dublin Central, Sinn Fein)
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I refer to the Construction Contracts Bill. Members have been waiting for this legislation for quite some time. They are acquainted with the fact that subcontractors across the State are under considerable pressure and are awaiting this legislation. I understand there are Government amendments to go before the Cabinet. Can the Tánaiste indicate whether these amendments have gone before the Cabinet? Second, when will the legislation be introduced to the House?

Photo of Eamon GilmoreEamon Gilmore (Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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I understand the aforementioned Bill is awaiting its Committee Stage and consequently, it already is in the House system.

Photo of Mary Lou McDonaldMary Lou McDonald (Dublin Central, Sinn Fein)
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To clarify, the Bill is indeed scheduled to go before the committee in February. However, the difficulty is this has not been confirmed. Members await Government amendments that I understand must go before the Cabinet. As there is an urgency to this matter, can the Tánaiste state whether the amendments have gone to the Cabinet, yes or no? If so, I assume the February deadline will be met but if not, the worry is this will drag on further.

Photo of Eamon GilmoreEamon Gilmore (Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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The scheduling of Committee Stage obviously is a matter for the committee. The Minister has not yet submitted amendments to the Government.

Photo of Mattie McGrathMattie McGrath (Tipperary South, Independent)
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I am delighted to note the Minister for Children and Youth Affairs is present in the Chamber, as I wish to ask the Tánaiste a question on the proposed children first Bill given the passing of the children's referendum. In addition, when will Members have a debate in this House on the Supreme Court decision that found that the present Government stole €1.1 million of the money allocated by this House to run the referendum?

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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That is a separate issue. The Deputy must speak to his Whip about the latter. What legislation is-----

Photo of Mattie McGrathMattie McGrath (Tipperary South, Independent)
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I asked about the children first Bill, in which the Government puts so much faith. When will we have fair play and respect for children?

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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We will deal with the fair play when the Bill comes in.

Photo of Eamon GilmoreEamon Gilmore (Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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The children first Bill will be taken this session. There is ongoing consideration of the views of the Oireachtas committee, including significant policy, operational and legal issues.

Photo of Robert TroyRobert Troy (Longford-Westmeath, Fianna Fail)
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The Government has had them since last June.

Photo of Dara CallearyDara Calleary (Mayo, Fianna Fail)
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There is a degree of confusion with regard to the status of the reports of the interdepartmental committee into the Magdalene laundries. The Taoiseach answered questions from both Deputy McDonald and me this week, in which he stated the Government has yet to receive the report and yet. at the beginning of January the Minister for Justice and Equality stated he expected to receive it within days. Can the Tánaiste confirm whether the report has been received by the Government? Will the report be made available to the survivors' groups ahead of its publication?

Photo of Eamon GilmoreEamon Gilmore (Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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No, that report has not yet been considered by the Government.

Photo of Dara CallearyDara Calleary (Mayo, Fianna Fail)
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Has it been received by the Government?

Photo of Eamon GilmoreEamon Gilmore (Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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It has not been received by the Government. The Minister will bring it when he is in a position to so do.

Photo of Robert TroyRobert Troy (Longford-Westmeath, Fianna Fail)
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Given the Minister for Communications, Energy and Natural Resources, Deputy Rabbitte, is due to sign a memorandum of understanding today with his counterpart in the United Kingdom on exporting energy, can the Tánaiste confirm whether the Wind Turbines Bill sponsored by Senator John Kelly, which I understand was not opposed in the Seanad, will be adopted and accepted by the Government and brought into the Dáil for debate?

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Is there promised legislation in this area?

Photo of Eamon GilmoreEamon Gilmore (Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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Legislation before the Seanad is a matter for that House.

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Is it before that House?

Photo of Eamon GilmoreEamon Gilmore (Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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Yes.

Photo of Robert TroyRobert Troy (Longford-Westmeath, Fianna Fail)
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Does the Government intend to accept it?

Photo of Eamon GilmoreEamon Gilmore (Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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It is before the Seanad.

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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As it is before that House, I am sorry but it cannot be debated in this Chamber.

Photo of Michael Healy-RaeMichael Healy-Rae (Kerry South, Independent)
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On the Water Services Bill, there is grave concern on foot of what has happened in respect of student grants.

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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That Bill also is before the Seanad. I am sorry but we cannot discuss this in this Chamber onto this comes into us.

Photo of Michael Healy-RaeMichael Healy-Rae (Kerry South, Independent)
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Yes but my point is there is great concern-----

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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I am sure there is.

Photo of Michael Healy-RaeMichael Healy-Rae (Kerry South, Independent)
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-----that we will lose the local knowledge and expertise that has been built up within local authorities.

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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You can make all these comments when the Bill comes into the House. This is the Order of Business and it is just on promised legislation. The Bill is before the Seanad.

Photo of Michael Healy-RaeMichael Healy-Rae (Kerry South, Independent)
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I do not want it to end up like the grants processed by SUSI.

Photo of Mattie McGrathMattie McGrath (Tipperary South, Independent)
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Hear, hear.

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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I call Deputy Bannon.

Photo of Robert TroyRobert Troy (Longford-Westmeath, Fianna Fail)
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This should be good.

Photo of James BannonJames Bannon (Longford-Westmeath, Fine Gael)
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Can the Tánaiste indicate when the much-needed education (admission to school) Bill will be published in light of the ongoing problem-----

Photo of Robert TroyRobert Troy (Longford-Westmeath, Fianna Fail)
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Is the Deputy going back to school?

Photo of James BannonJames Bannon (Longford-Westmeath, Fine Gael)
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-----parents are experiencing in accessing places for their children in schools, following the closure of many small rural schools in areas of low population?

Photo of Robert TroyRobert Troy (Longford-Westmeath, Fianna Fail)
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As a result of the Government's policy.

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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What Bill is the Deputy talking about?

Photo of James BannonJames Bannon (Longford-Westmeath, Fine Gael)
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The education (admission to school) Bill.

Photo of Eamon GilmoreEamon Gilmore (Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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The heads of the education (admission to school) Bill are currently being drafted and it will be published this year.

Photo of Aengus Ó SnodaighAengus Ó Snodaigh (Dublin South Central, Sinn Fein)
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I wish to raise two items of legislation. A welcome announcement was made late last year that the children's hospital would be built on a site in the grounds of St. James's Hospital. However, I note the remit of the previous development board expired in December. Legislation has been promised, for some time this year, to establish a development board for the new national paediatric hospital. Can the Tánaiste indicate that this legislation will be introduced soon in order that there is no delay in proceeding with this project? Second, an announcement was made during the budget that control of the digital hub would be transferred to the local authority. However, as there is no legislation to underpin this in the legislative programme, is this transfer still intended? I contacted the local authority, which replied it was awaiting the legislation to give effect to this transfer.

Photo of Eamon GilmoreEamon Gilmore (Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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First, the Deputy is aware that the Government has made a decision to build the national children's hospital and has made a clear decision as to its location.

There will be no delay in that project. The national paediatric hospital development board establishment order will provide for an amendment to the functions of the national paediatric hospital development board but I do not have a date for the publication of that legislation. It will not delay the building of the hospital.

With regard to the digital hub, it is intended to proceed with what has been announced. I am not clear on the legislative implication but I will get a reply sent to the Deputy directly.

11:10 am

Photo of Dessie EllisDessie Ellis (Dublin North West, Sinn Fein)
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There are plans to change the tenant purchase scheme some time this year. When will legislation come before the House regarding a new tenant purchase scheme, as it is an important issue for local authorities who sell to people who wish to buy local authority houses?

Photo of Eamon GilmoreEamon Gilmore (Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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A housing Bill is being prepared to strengthen the regulatory framework for social housing. The heads of the Bill are expected in spring this year and the Bill will be published this year.

Photo of Bernard DurkanBernard Durkan (Kildare North, Fine Gael)
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What is the state of the Bill to provide for exchange of criminal records and information with other EU member states? Have the heads been discussed? I refer to the criminal records information systems Bill. When is that likely to come before the House? There is also a Bill to strengthen and streamline the function of certain company law enforcement agencies and make other necessary amendments to the Companies Act. It is the companies (miscellaneous provisions) Bill. Have the heads been approved and when will the Bill come before the House?

Photo of Eamon GilmoreEamon Gilmore (Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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The heads of the first Bill mentioned by the Deputy were cleared in April last year and it is expected to be published later this year. I do not have a date for the second Bill.

Photo of Róisín ShortallRóisín Shortall (Dublin North West, Independent)
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I ask about two further pieces of health legislation. The first is the Health Service Executive (Governance) Bill 2012 which we were told last year was a priority piece of legislation. It went through the Seanad in September so why has it not been produced in the Dáil? Is there a reason the legislation is being held back? The second issue is the promised Government alcohol strategy, which the Tánaiste earlier indicated we would have before Christmas. When can we expect to see that strategy and the public health legislation to give effect to it?

Photo of Eamon GilmoreEamon Gilmore (Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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The Health Service Executive (Governance) Bill 2012 will come before the House next week. The alcohol strategy Bill proposals are currently being finalised by the Minister of State, Deputy White, on foot of the recommendations of the national substance misuse strategy report. The Minister of State is giving this priority but unfortunately there was not as much preparatory work done on the Bill as we had been led to believe.

Photo of Patrick O'DonovanPatrick O'Donovan (Limerick, Fine Gael)
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There is a commitment I have raised before on the implementation of a national standard for home services for elderly people and vulnerable adults and the provision of home care. When is it likely that we will see related legislation before the House?

Photo of Eamon GilmoreEamon Gilmore (Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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I will have to get a reply for Deputy O'Donovan as I do not have the information here.

Photo of Pádraig Mac LochlainnPádraig Mac Lochlainn (Donegal North East, Sinn Fein)
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In section B of the legislative schedule there is a justice (miscellaneous provisions) Bill. Is the Government considering sentencing guidelines or a new sentencing council in response to the ongoing issue and controversy arising from court decisions regarding sex offenders?

Photo of Eamon GilmoreEamon Gilmore (Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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Legislation is promised on sentencing. The Minister for Justice and Equality has put together a group to examine sentencing policy and guidelines. He is giving priority consideration to that issue.