Dáil debates

Tuesday, 18 September 2012

3:35 pm

Photo of Barry CowenBarry Cowen (Laois-Offaly, Fianna Fail)
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To ask the Minister for Environment, Community and Local Government if he will outline the reduction in the Local Government Fund allocation to each local authority area in tabular form; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [38983/12]

Photo of Phil HoganPhil Hogan (Carlow-Kilkenny, Fine Gael)
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I assume the question refers to general purpose grants from the local government fund. As indicated in the reply to Questions Nos. 37 and 41 , the two principal sources of revenue for the local government fund are the proceeds of motor tax and the income from the household charge. The Local Government (Household Charge) Act 2011 provides that income from the household charge be paid into the local government fund. The proceeds from the household charge are being redistributed on an equalised basis to local authorities within the context of the annual allocations of general purpose grants.

General purpose grants contribute towards meeting the reasonable cost to local authorities of providing services to their customers. Some €651 million in general purpose grants had been allocated to local authorities for 2012. I have decided to withhold general purpose grant funding to local authorities in the third quarter of this year in light of the level of compliance, so far, with the household charge. It is estimated that €160 million will be collected each year as part of the local government budget, and this was part of the budget at the beginning of the year for each local authority. As of 14 September, €103 million had been collected nationally. A total of €15.69 million was withheld from the third quarter general purpose grant payment, which represents a reduction of between 1% and 3% of the total general purpose grant allocation for 2012.

I am keeping the income generated from the household charge under constant review. It is up to individual local authorities to address potential funding shortfalls arising from non-compliance with the legislation and to pursue those who may have a liability and initiate court proceedings, where it is considered appropriate. Local authorities can progressively recoup their original general purpose grant allocation through improved household charge compliance. The final amount of general purpose grants available for 2012 will be revisited and reviewed in the final quarter of the year to take account of the then financial position, including progress on securing an increased household charge yield. I am confident that the level of general purpose grants, together with other Government grants and subsidies and income raised from local sources, is appropriate to meet the costs of providing a reasonable level of local authority services to communities.

The tabular statement sets out the information requested in respect of individual county and city councils.

Local Authority
Withheld from Quarter 3 General Purpose Grant Payment
Carlow County Council
246,235
Cavan County Council
419,804
Clare County Council
243,631
Cork County Council
979,559
Donegal County Council
1,016,872
Fingal County Council
545,285
Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown County Council
343,583
Galway County Council
779,835
Kerry County Council
417,043
Kildare County Council
564,622
Kilkenny County Council
412,407
Laois County Council
409,600
Leitrim County Council
291,318
Limerick County Council
453,821
Longford County Council
330,750
Louth County Council
278,293
Mayo County Council
641,589
Meath County Council
644,835
Monaghan County Council
340,589
Tipperary North Riding County Council
376,593
Offaly County Council
386,784
Roscommon County Council
436,249
Sligo County Council
325,113
South Dublin County Council
475,210
Tipperary South Riding County Council
462,782
Waterford County Council
507,283
Westmeath County Council
414,356
Wexford County Council
481,697
Wicklow County Council
369,163
Cork City Council
446,103
Dublin City Council
1,172,960
Galway City Council
123,887
Limerick City Council
203,098
Waterford City Council
154,343

Photo of Barry CowenBarry Cowen (Laois-Offaly, Fianna Fail)
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I cannot understand how the Minister can be so confident that local authorities will meet the demands of their constituents in providing services next year, given the difficulties they face towards the end of this year, by virtue of him penalising them for something they had nothing do with. With regard to the household charge and its child, the property tax, how long has the Minister had the Thornhill report on his desk? Has he brought it to Government? Has it been discussed at Cabinet? When does he expect to make a recommendation?

Photo of Phil HoganPhil Hogan (Carlow-Kilkenny, Fine Gael)
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The property tax report, or the Thornhill report as it is known, has been with me since June and I will bring it to Government in the context of the budgetary matters that will be under discussion over the next few weeks.

Photo of Barry CowenBarry Cowen (Laois-Offaly, Fianna Fail)
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There must be many pages in it.

Photo of Phil HoganPhil Hogan (Carlow-Kilkenny, Fine Gael)
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It is a budgetary matter.

Photo of Barry CowenBarry Cowen (Laois-Offaly, Fianna Fail)
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It must be an excessively big document when one thinks the Minister has had it since June and has not brought it to Cabinet yet.

Photo of Phil HoganPhil Hogan (Carlow-Kilkenny, Fine Gael)
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I have read it.

Photo of Barry CowenBarry Cowen (Laois-Offaly, Fianna Fail)
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The whole country can talk about options that might or might not be in the report while the Minister decides what he wants to take from it. This fanfare must come to an end. The Minister has to bring about a proper budgetary and management system. The whole thing is in complete disarray.

Photo of Phil HoganPhil Hogan (Carlow-Kilkenny, Fine Gael)
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It goes back to-----

Photo of Barry CowenBarry Cowen (Laois-Offaly, Fianna Fail)
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It goes back to the troika and all the rest of it. We are hearing that for the past few years.

Photo of Jan O'SullivanJan O'Sullivan (Limerick City, Labour)
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The budget is in December.

Photo of Phil HoganPhil Hogan (Carlow-Kilkenny, Fine Gael)
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Deputy Cowen will be aware that as part of the negotiated agreement, with which he is well familiar----

Photo of Barry CowenBarry Cowen (Laois-Offaly, Fianna Fail)
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That the Government did not renegotiate the agreement, having promised it would.

Photo of Phil HoganPhil Hogan (Carlow-Kilkenny, Fine Gael)
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-----a property tax was in the text. The EU-IMF require us to implement such a tax. The interim tax was the household charge, which will help to develop the database to ensure people get a bill in 2013 and beyond. The Minister for Finance will bring forward the property tax and it will be part of the Budget Statement.

Photo of Richard Boyd BarrettRichard Boyd Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, People Before Profit Alliance)
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Does the Minister think it is completely unacceptable that Clare County Council is blackmailing applicants for higher education grants in the context of the household charge-----

3:45 pm

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Deputy, we have dealt with that. This has nothing to do with the question.

Photo of Richard Boyd BarrettRichard Boyd Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, People Before Profit Alliance)
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-----and threatening the future of young people and their career and education prospects?

Photo of Finian McGrathFinian McGrath (Dublin North Central, Independent)
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Hear, hear.

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Thank you, Deputy. There is a Deputy sitting here who has been waiting for the past three quarters of an hour for his question. I thought the Deputy had a question when I gave him the floor. I call Deputy Higgins.

Photo of Barry CowenBarry Cowen (Laois-Offaly, Fianna Fail)
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The Minister is not from County Clare, thank God.

Photo of Joe HigginsJoe Higgins (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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I ask the Minister to acknowledge that since the household tax is almost an austerity tax to bail out the speculators and bondholders, it is absolutely immoral for him to cut back on funds for services from central taxation that will affect the lives and livelihoods of ordinary people. Does the Minister not agree further that it is an outrage that county councils would threaten students with their grants-----

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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I thank the Deputy and ask him to put his question in respect of what is on the Order Paper.

Photo of Joe HigginsJoe Higgins (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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-----to try to blackmail their parents into giving up their completely justified boycott against this tax?

Photo of Finian McGrathFinian McGrath (Dublin North Central, Independent)
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Hear, hear.

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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We have already dealt with that issue.

Photo of Phil HoganPhil Hogan (Carlow-Kilkenny, Fine Gael)
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As Deputy Higgins is aware, the Government is trying to broaden the tax base from a standing start with no database and it will do that.

Photo of Joe HigginsJoe Higgins (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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The Minister should listen to Peter Bacon, who has ridiculed that idea. He rebuts it.

Photo of Phil HoganPhil Hogan (Carlow-Kilkenny, Fine Gael)
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The Deputy must be the only socialist in the world who is against that-----

Photo of Richard Boyd BarrettRichard Boyd Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, People Before Profit Alliance)
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Is it okay to blackmail people?

Photo of Phil HoganPhil Hogan (Carlow-Kilkenny, Fine Gael)
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-----as one of the few so-called socialists in the place. However, the Government will broaden the tax base. Unlike Deputy Higgins, it does not wish to impose any more tax on workers.

Photo of Joe HigginsJoe Higgins (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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Who will pay the property tax? Will it be someone from Mars?

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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We will turn to Question No. 47.

Photo of Joe HigginsJoe Higgins (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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Apparently, a Cheann Comhairle, there are secret pots of gold under every house.

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Thank you, Deputy. Please speak through the Chair.

Photo of Phil HoganPhil Hogan (Carlow-Kilkenny, Fine Gael)
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The Deputy should try the fracking.

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Thank you. Please speak through the Chair.