Dáil debates

Thursday, 17 May 2012

Other Questions

Departmental Properties

5:00 pm

Photo of Jonathan O'BrienJonathan O'Brien (Cork North Central, Sinn Fein)
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Question 11: To ask the Minister for Defence the number of smaller properties identified as surplus to military requirements; if he will give details of those already disposed of and those being prepared for disposal; and the moneys received for each sale. [24523/12]

Photo of Alan ShatterAlan Shatter (Dublin South, Fine Gael)
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The Department of Defence's property portfolio is kept under review to ensure the most effective use of military resources having regard to the roles assigned by Government to the Defence Forces. The Department has been engaged in an ongoing programme of barracks consolidation since 1998 which has brought to 14 the number of barracks closed during that time. In addition, a number of smaller properties have been identified as surplus to military requirements. Some of these have already been disposed of, while more than 30 others are in the process of being prepared for disposal. These mainly consist of married quarters and Defence Forces Reserve premises.

The properties under this category disposed of since 2002 and the amounts received in each case are set out in the following table.

YearPropertyPurchaser
20022 properties, Bere Island & Ballincollig, Co Corkprivate€ 72,442
Lands at Assumption Road,CorkCork Corporation€1,524,743
Old married Quarters Sarsfield Bks, LimerickLimerick City Council€ 987,601
Property at Arbour Hill, Dublin 7private€ 18,792
Orchard Park, Curragh, Co. Kildare - 29 propertiesprivate€1,152,698
Total 2002€3,756,276
2003Property at Three Castles, Co. Kilkennyprivate€ 3,500
Property at Greenane, Kanturk, Co. CorkSouthern Health Board€ 177,769
Old married Quarters, Sarsfield Bks. LimerickLimerick City Council€ 174,272
Portion land at Waterford BarracksWaterford City Council€ 661,534
Orchard Pk, Curragh, Co. Kildare - 12 propertiesprivate€ 447,640
Total 2003€1,464,715
2004Properties at Cobh, Co. Corkprivate€2,400,015
Spike Island, Co. Cork.Minister for Justice€ 64,662
Orchard Park, Curragh, Co. Kildare - 3 propertiesprivate€ 119,229
Total 2004€2,583,906
2005Property on Bere Island, Corkprivate€ 25,397
Site at Killorglin, Co.KerryKerry County Council€ 11,947
Property at Athlone, Co. Westmeathprivate€ 253,973
Orchard Park, Curragh, Co. Kildare - 3 propertiesprivate€ 139,486
Total 2005€ 430,803
2006Orchard Park, Curragh, Co. Kildare - 5 propertiesprivate€ 187,317
Sale of water and sewage works at Knockalisheen Co ClareClare County Council€ 26,324
Arbour Hill LandsDept. of Justice, Equality & Law Reform€3,174,345
Portion of land at Sarsfield Bks, Limerickprivate€ 3,175
Total 2006€3,391,161
2007Fort Camden, Crosshaven Co CorkCork County Council€ 64,008
2 properties at Ballincollig, Co. Corkprivate€ 88,177
Ballincollig, Co. CorkHSE South€1,095,401
McKee Park, Dublin 7private€ 122,824
Property at Ballyconnell, Co. CavanCavan County Council€ 127,016
Orchard Park, Curragh, Co. Kildareprivate€ 120,000
Total 2007€1,617,426
2008Property at Douglas Road, Corkprivate€2,510,266
Property at Cahir, Co. Tipperaryprivate€ 550,000
Total 2008€3,060,266
2009Orchard Park, Curragh, Co. Kildareprivate€ 150,000
Property at Cloughfin, Co. Donegalprivate€ 5,000
3 sites at Renmore parkGalway City Council &Liam Mellowes hurling club€ 250,316
Property at Cloghore, Co. Donegalprivate€ 60,002
Total 2009€ 465,318
2010Property at Athlone, Co. Westmeathprivate€ 2,721
2011RDF premises KanturkCork VEC€ 5,000
Overall Total€16,777,592

Photo of Jonathan O'BrienJonathan O'Brien (Cork North Central, Sinn Fein)
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The Minister indicated there that some 30 smaller properties are being prepared for disposal. Does he have an estimate based on current market values, which I accept may not be achieved, of the approximate value of those properties?

Photo of Alan ShatterAlan Shatter (Dublin South, Fine Gael)
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I do not have that figure. The total sum realised from the sale of all properties, including barracks, is more than €84 million. The figure relating to smaller properties already disposed of, as set out in the table, is €16,777,592. In the current market it amounts to an artificial exercise to seek to put a value on the group of smaller properties earmarked for disposal. Some of them may have no market value at the present time. This issue will be dealt with incrementally by the Department in the appropriate fashion.

Photo of Jonathan O'BrienJonathan O'Brien (Cork North Central, Sinn Fein)
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I accept that some of these properties will not be considered for sale in the short term because the market does not support it. However, I presume some of them have an associated security cost in terms of their maintenance. Is there an ongoing cost analysis in respect of retaining these properties in the absence of any short-term plan for their sale? I assume some of them are married quarters, most of which, one would expect, are currently occupied. Will the Minister clarify that?

Photo of Alan ShatterAlan Shatter (Dublin South, Fine Gael)
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As I understand, there are no major security costs associated with the properties we are discussing. Some of them are married quarters which are now vacated. There are some married quarters that were supposed to have been vacated some years ago but have not been, for a variety of reasons. In the past, these matters have been the subject of Dáil questions. With regard to individual properties that are not utilised, if there are practical uses to which they can be put in the context of local communities, we will consider that constructively. There is no funding available within the Department to convert properties in any particular way, but if there are good ideas about vacant properties for which the Department has no use, they will be considered. The Department obviously has an interest in realising value from those properties because moneys realised are re-invested in resources for the Defence Forces. However, we are in a different financial climate from that which prevailed three or four years ago. Values are substantially less than they used to be. In dealing with individual properties, I and my officials are realistic about funding that may be realised from individual properties, depending on their condition and location. I encourage both Deputies in the House to pass on any good ideas they have about individual vacant properties that do not appear to be moving in any particular direction. When dealing with what are essentially residential properties, there is the possibility of their being put on the market and sold at a realistic price to provide accommodation, where that is appropriate.