Dáil debates

Thursday, 23 February 2012

10:30 am

Photo of Eamon GilmoreEamon Gilmore (Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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It is proposed to take No. a9, Finance Bill 2012 – Financial Resolutions; No. b9, Finance Bill 2012 – Allocation of Time Motion for Select sub-Committee; No. c9, motion re Presentation and Circulation of Revised Estimates 2012; No. d9, motion re Standing Orders 27A and 160; and No. 15, Legal Services Regulation Bill 2011 - Second Stage (Resumed).

It is proposed, notwithstanding anything in Standing Orders, that Nos. a9, b9, c9 and d9 shall be decided without debate and any division demanded on No. c9 shall be taken forthwith; and in the case of No. a9, the Financial Resolutions Nos. 1 – 47, shall be moved together and decided by one question which shall be put from the Chair.

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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There is one proposal to be put to the House. Is the proposal for dealing with No. a9, Finance Bill 2012 – Financial Resolutions, No. b9, Finance Bill 2012 – Allocation of Time Motion for Select sub-Committee, No. c9, motion re Presentation and Circulation of Revised Estimates 2012 and No. d9, motion re Standing Orders 27A and 160, without debate, agreed to?

11:00 am

Photo of Pearse DohertyPearse Doherty (Donegal South West, Sinn Fein)
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Last week I asked the Tánaiste to ensure that there would be no guillotine on Committee Stage or on Report Stage of the Finance Bill, a Bill that is technical and heavy in detail and one that will impact hard on the ordinary people across the State.

The Tánaiste has suggested that the House agree to a guillotine on all sections of Committee Stage of this Bill. If one looks deeper at what is in the Bill, the first group, sections 1 to 17, includes probably the most controversial sections which allow for SARP, the tax write-down for those who will come in here from abroad, and other issues such as the pensions. It deals with the universal social charge and many other issues. In that group of sections, to which the Government is allocating three hours, there are 76 amendments tabled for Committee Stage. There are three hours for 76 amendments and yet for all the other sections, which make up 14.5 hours of debate, there are only 41 amendments tabled. This is a typical ploy, used by Government time and again, where the most controversial issues are guillotined. It is completely unfair and makes no sense that three hours would be given to debate 76 amendments and 14.5 hours to debate 41 amendments. I ask the Tánaiste to withdraw this motion to allow the Select Sub-Committee on Finance, which meets at 2 o'clock, to discuss how best to deal with this legislation in Committee. If the Government truly values having proper participation on all Stages of this legislation, it will lift the guillotine and lift this motion.

Photo of Joe HigginsJoe Higgins (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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It was bad enough when the Labour and Fine Gael Government went back on its previous and many declarations in opposition to guillotines in this Chamber. Now, it is bringing the guillotine into the committee room. These issues need as much debate as the members of the finance committee, which is a substantial committee in terms of its membership, deem to be necessary. Therefore, this is not acceptable.

Photo of Eamon GilmoreEamon Gilmore (Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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There is a time limit on the period in which the Finance Bill has to be enacted. It is not an open-ended situation. What is being proposed here is an arrangement for time as between different sections of the Bill. First, those who apply themselves to Committee Stage work are well aware it very often happens that they can start on a Bill but debate bogs down in the early sections and the later sections are not reached. Therefore, it is a sensible arrangement that there should be a time allocation for different chunks of the Bill. Second, as we know, many of the amendments are related. Members will find that, in practice, the committee will debate a number of the amendments together. The Government is satisfied that the time arrangements are adequate and generous.

Photo of Seán CroweSeán Crowe (Dublin South West, Sinn Fein)
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Is this new Labour?

Photo of Brendan HowlinBrendan Howlin (Wexford, Labour)
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Sinn Féin nua or continuity Sinn Féin?

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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I must put the question.

Question put: That the proposal for dealing with Nos. a9, b9, c9 and d9, without debate, be agreed to

The Dail Divided:

For the motion: 83 (James Bannon, Tom Barry, Pat Breen, Tommy Broughan, Richard Bruton, Joan Burton, Ray Butler, Jerry Buttimer, Catherine Byrne, Eric Byrne, Ciarán Cannon, Paudie Coffey, Michael Conaghan, Seán Conlan, Ciara Conway, Noel Coonan, Marcella Corcoran Kennedy, Joe Costello, Simon Coveney, Michael Creed, Jim Daly, Jimmy Deenihan, Pat Deering, Regina Doherty, Paschal Donohoe, Robert Dowds, Andrew Doyle, Bernard Durkan, Damien English, Alan Farrell, Frank Feighan, Anne Ferris, Peter Fitzpatrick, Eamon Gilmore, Noel Harrington, Brian Hayes, Tom Hayes, Martin Heydon, Phil Hogan, Brendan Howlin, Kevin Humphreys, Derek Keating, Colm Keaveney, Paul Kehoe, Alan Kelly, Seán Kenny, Seán Kyne, Anthony Lawlor, Ciarán Lynch, John Lyons, Michael McCarthy, Nicky McFadden, Dinny McGinley, Tony McLoughlin, Michael McNamara, Eamonn Maloney, Olivia Mitchell, Mary Mitchell O'Connor, Michelle Mulherin, Dara Murphy, Gerald Nash, Denis Naughten, Dan Neville, Derek Nolan, Aodhán Ó Ríordáin, Kieran O'Donnell, Patrick O'Donovan, John O'Mahony, Joe O'Reilly, Jan O'Sullivan, Willie Penrose, John Paul Phelan, Ruairi Quinn, Michael Ring, Brendan Ryan, Alan Shatter, David Stanton, Billy Timmins, Joanna Tuffy, Liam Twomey, Jack Wall, Brian Walsh, Alex White)

Against the motion: 39 (Gerry Adams, John Browne, Dara Calleary, Joan Collins, Niall Collins, Michael Colreavy, Barry Cowen, Seán Crowe, Clare Daly, Pearse Doherty, Timmy Dooley, Martin Ferris, Seán Fleming, Tom Fleming, John Halligan, Séamus Healy, Joe Higgins, Billy Kelleher, Michael Kitt, Pádraig MacLochlainn, Charlie McConalogue, Mary Lou McDonald, Finian McGrath, Mattie McGrath, Sandra McLellan, Michael Moynihan, Catherine Murphy, Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin, Éamon Ó Cuív, Seán Ó Fearghaíl, Aengus Ó Snodaigh, Jonathan O'Brien, Maureen O'Sullivan, Thomas Pringle, Brendan Smith, Brian Stanley, Peadar Tóibín, Robert Troy, Mick Wallace)

Tellers: Tá, Deputies John Lyons and Paul Kehoe; Níl, Deputies Aengus Ó Snodaigh and Seán Ó Fearghaíl.

Question declared carried.

Photo of Éamon Ó CuívÉamon Ó Cuív (Galway West, Fianna Fail)
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When does the Minister for the Environment, Community and Local Government intend to publish regulations under the Water Services (Amendment) Act 2012?

Photo of Eamon GilmoreEamon Gilmore (Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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Next week.

Photo of Mattie McGrathMattie McGrath (Tipperary South, Independent)
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We were told that two weeks ago.

Photo of Mary Lou McDonaldMary Lou McDonald (Dublin Central, Sinn Fein)
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On the forthcoming Bill to amend the European Communities Act 1972, does the Government intend to include the treaty on stability, co-ordination and governance - the fiscal compact - in the expanded definition of EU treaties covered by that Act?

Photo of Eamon GilmoreEamon Gilmore (Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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The Bill to which the Deputy referred, which I will bring forward, is required to be introduced in advance of the Minister for Finance introducing legislation in respect of the European Stability Mechanism. Issues relating to the treaty are being considered by the Attorney General, and the Government is awaiting her advice.

Photo of Mary Lou McDonaldMary Lou McDonald (Dublin Central, Sinn Fein)
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Is that a "Yes" or a "No"?

Photo of Eamon GilmoreEamon Gilmore (Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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We must await the Attorney General's advice.