Dáil debates

Thursday, 16 February 2012

10:30 am

Photo of Éamon Ó CuívÉamon Ó Cuív (Galway West, Fianna Fail)
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As the Tánaiste knows, chaos is looming in our capital city due to the inability of the Fine Gael-Labour led city council to organise fair and effective refuse collection. Despite the mirth of some Government backbenchers, this problem could be a considerable health hazard and could do enormous environmental damage. I do not know whether the Government has been struck by the huge problem that will arise if up to one quarter of the refuse of the city is not collected. I understand there are some who have not had their waste collected for the past six weeks. In reality, the problems we are now confronted with should have been foreseen by the council before it took the decision on privatisation.

Photo of Emmet StaggEmmet Stagg (Kildare North, Labour)
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Tell the county manager.

Photo of Éamon Ó CuívÉamon Ó Cuív (Galway West, Fianna Fail)
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It is not good enough for the Government to wash its hands of this matter. Has the Minister met the majority parties and Dublin City Council to have this problem dealt with? Has he examined his powers under the legislation to deal with this issue, which is now becoming an emergency, in view of the fact that Dublin City Council seems incapable of resolving it? Could the Tánaiste give me clear answers to both of those questions?

Photo of Eamon GilmoreEamon Gilmore (Tánaiste; Minister, Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade; Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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This is a matter for the management of Dublin City Council. The Taoiseach replied to questions on this a couple of days ago and the Minister for the Environment, Community and Local Government responded to a Topical Issue debate on the subject the day before yesterday. The position is that there is a problem affecting approximately 18,000 of a total of 140,000 households in Dublin with a refuse collection service. The Minister's view, which I support and echo, is that the company concerned should be flexible about the requirement of people to pay the up-front charge. It has made it clear that householders who were formerly Dublin City Council customers can pay in moieties. The company should be mindful that other options are open to householders in a competitive waste collection market. It should also be mindful of the position of the Government in the programme for Government, namely, that it is considering the introduction of a tendering process for waste collection services in local authorities. There was public consultation on that aspect of the issue. It concluded in September and the Minister published the submissions that were made and the commentaries thereon. The matter will be considered by the Government.

A sensible approach needs to be taken. There is a transition from Dublin City Council to a private company in regard to the collection of waste. Such transitions are always difficult and have associated problems. The company involved in this matter needs to exercise some flexibility regarding former Dublin City Council customers who are to become its new customers.

Photo of Éamon Ó CuívÉamon Ó Cuív (Galway West, Fianna Fail)
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The Tánaiste knows very well that the company has made it absolutely clear that it will not be flexible or collect the 18,000 bins that would have to be collected every week. It is a little disingenuous of him to state he is just going to stand back while the city is overcome by a huge amount of uncollected rubbish. There is a serious health hazard and the Government has a responsibility for public health. Therefore, for it to wash its hands of this issue is disingenuous.

We are but a month from St. Patrick's Day, when thousands of people from home and abroad will visit the city. We want the city to be showcased to the world at such times. Due to the ineptitude of the Government and the Government parties, which control Dublin City Council, it is, unfortunately, quite likely that visitors leaving Ireland will refer to Dublin as "dear old dirty Dublin". We do not want that.

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Ceann Comhairle; Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Could we have a question?

Photo of Éamon Ó CuívÉamon Ó Cuív (Galway West, Fianna Fail)
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I ask the Tánaiste once again-----

Photo of Brendan HowlinBrendan Howlin (Minister, Department of Public Expenditure and Reform; Wexford, Labour)
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The Deputy should not be putting that on the record.

(Interruptions).

Photo of Éamon Ó CuívÉamon Ó Cuív (Galway West, Fianna Fail)
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Other than stating pious platitudes, what action does the Minister with ultimate responsibility for local government intend to take to deal with this issue and to ensure the city will not be turned into a cesspool with waste? Will the Minister for Health deal with the health hazard issue?

Photo of Eamon GilmoreEamon Gilmore (Tánaiste; Minister, Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade; Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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I am not going to take any lecture from Deputy Ó Cuív on issues relating to pollution and waste. He spent the past few months going around the country encouraging people not to pay a modest charge for the registration of their septic tanks.

Photo of Timmy DooleyTimmy Dooley (Clare, Fianna Fail)
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That is not true.

Photo of Eamon GilmoreEamon Gilmore (Tánaiste; Minister, Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade; Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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The position is quite clear, as I have said. There is a transfer of waste collection services in Dublin from Dublin City Council to a private company. An issue arises that affects 18,000 of the 140,000 householders concerned. It is a problem and must be dealt with. The position of the Minister for the Environment, Community and Local Government is absolutely and clearly known to Dublin City Council, the company and, not least, the public because he made it clear in the House.

Photo of Billy KelleherBilly Kelleher (Cork North Central, Fianna Fail)
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Mr. Draghi is telephoning Deputy Mathews.

Photo of Eamon GilmoreEamon Gilmore (Tánaiste; Minister, Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade; Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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The position is that, in this period of transition, there should be flexibility. The company concerned needs to exercise this flexibility. The Government's policy on waste services is set down in the programme for Government. The company concerned is aware of that. There are other options that can be pursued if the company concerned does not show the flexibility that is required to ensure there is a collection service for the householders of Dublin and that there is a reasonable arrangement made for the payment of the charges.

Photo of Mary Lou McDonaldMary Lou McDonald (Dublin Central, Sinn Fein)
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I want to raise with the Tánaiste the plight of the residents of Priory Hall. More than 250 residents are in temporary accommodation since they were evacuated by a court order on 14 October 2011, well over 100 days ago. Is the Tánaiste aware that, despite the fact the evacuated residents have been out of their homes for several months, his colleague, the Minister for the Environment, Community and Local Government, Deputy Hogan, still refuses to meet with them?

Will the Tánaiste agree that the plight of the residents has been compounded by a decision of the management of Dublin City Council to appeal the High Court ruling requiring the council to assist them with their emergency housing needs? That appeal is before the Supreme Court for mention this morning. The Tánaiste's party, and Fine Gael, have repeatedly and correctly criticised the policies and the neglect that led to the property bubble-----

Photo of Ray ButlerRay Butler (Meath West, Fine Gael)
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Will Deputy McDonald name the Priory Hall developer?

Photo of Mary Lou McDonaldMary Lou McDonald (Dublin Central, Sinn Fein)
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-----lax planning, building and fire safety regulations and enforcement.

Photo of Anthony LawlorAnthony Lawlor (Kildare North, Fine Gael)
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Name the developer.

Photo of Michael McCarthyMichael McCarthy (Cork South West, Labour)
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Who was the developer?

Photo of Aodhán Ó RíordáinAodhán Ó Ríordáin (Dublin North Central, Labour)
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Name him.

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Ceann Comhairle; Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Order, please.

Photo of Mary Lou McDonaldMary Lou McDonald (Dublin Central, Sinn Fein)
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The Priory Hall evacuees were failed by the State on all these grounds.

Deputies:

Name the developer.

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Ceann Comhairle; Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Would Members please respect the Deputy?

Photo of Mary Lou McDonaldMary Lou McDonald (Dublin Central, Sinn Fein)
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Does the Tánaiste recall that the reason the residents were evacuated was because Priory Hall did not comply with fire safety and was a danger to their lives? This week marks the 31st anniversary of the Stardust tragedy which should be a constant reminder to all of the terrible consequences of neglect of fire safety.

Photo of Finian McGrathFinian McGrath (Dublin North Central, Independent)
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Hear, hear.

Photo of Mary Lou McDonaldMary Lou McDonald (Dublin Central, Sinn Fein)
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Will the Government take the Priority Hall matter in hand? Will the Minister for the Environment, Community and Local Government, Deputy Hogan, meet with the residents? Will he help to co-ordinate the search for a solution involving all concerned - the Minister himself, the residents, Dublin City Council and the banks?

Deputies:

And the developer.

Photo of Eamon GilmoreEamon Gilmore (Tánaiste; Minister, Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade; Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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The Priory Hall residents were failed in the first instance by a Sinn Féin developer.

Deputies:

Hear, hear.

(Interruptions).

Photo of Pádraig Mac LochlainnPádraig Mac Lochlainn (Donegal North East, Sinn Fein)
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That is a disgrace. The developer is a political opponent of Sinn Féin. That is an absolute disgrace.

Photo of Brian StanleyBrian Stanley (Laois-Offaly, Sinn Fein)
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That is Sticky propaganda.

(Interruptions).

Photo of Pádraig Mac LochlainnPádraig Mac Lochlainn (Donegal North East, Sinn Fein)
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The Tánaiste should withdraw that disgraceful remark.

(Interruptions).

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Ceann Comhairle; Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Order. Will Deputy Mac Lochlainn resume his seat?

Photo of Pádraig Mac LochlainnPádraig Mac Lochlainn (Donegal North East, Sinn Fein)
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The Tánaiste should withdraw that remark. The developer is a political opponent of Sinn Féin. We stood against him over the years.

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Ceann Comhairle; Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Can I have a reply to the Deputy's question, Tánaiste?

Photo of Eamon GilmoreEamon Gilmore (Tánaiste; Minister, Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade; Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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I will not withdraw. The Priory Hall residents were failed by a developer who, when Sinn Féin was going respectable put on an Armani suit, like so many others-----

Photo of Dessie EllisDessie Ellis (Dublin North West, Sinn Fein)
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Will you stop?

(Interruptions).

Photo of Pádraig Mac LochlainnPádraig Mac Lochlainn (Donegal North East, Sinn Fein)
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That is a disgrace. He is an opponent of Sinn Féin.

Photo of Brian StanleyBrian Stanley (Laois-Offaly, Sinn Fein)
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Hold on to your Sticky propaganda.

Photo of Eamon GilmoreEamon Gilmore (Tánaiste; Minister, Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade; Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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In this particular case, the developer in question constructed a development which has left these people out of their homes.

Photo of Martin FerrisMartin Ferris (Kerry North-West Limerick, Sinn Fein)
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The Tánaiste's Dear Great Leader from North Korea has passed away.

Photo of Brian StanleyBrian Stanley (Laois-Offaly, Sinn Fein)
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That is a Sticky lie.

Photo of Eamon GilmoreEamon Gilmore (Tánaiste; Minister, Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade; Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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There is not one Member who does not feel the deepest sympathy for the residents in Priory Hall. A terrible thing happened there. People bought their homes with hard-earned money and invested their hopes and futures in that building only to discover it is not fit for purpose.

Efforts are being made by different people to find the best outcome for the households concerned. I met with the representatives of the residents, as did as my colleague, the Minister of State with responsibility for housing and planning, Deputy Jan O'Sullivan, who is working to find a solution to this problem.

Options on accommodation were discussed and assessed. Until there are final agreements, however, it is too early to say what the result will be without causing further confusion and anxiety. There are also Supreme Court proceedings, which as Deputy McDonald said, are up for mention today and the court will adjudicate on several issues. It would not be appropriate for me to comment further on that until the court finishes its business.

Dublin City Council sought an early hearing on the matter of its appeal to the Supreme Court against the order of the High Court that the council meets the cost of the alternative accommodation required for the evacuated residents. The issue in the appeal is whether the High Court was entitled to make orders under section 23 of the Fire Safety Act 1981 requiring the council to pay the costs incurred by the residents. The order to pay such costs has serious implications for the taxpayer and the city council in its role as a fire authority.

The overriding priority at Priory Hall is to ensure the best outcome of the households concerned and to facilitate as early as possible a return to their own homes. In this respect, it will be necessary to ensure these homes are made fit for purpose and the costs for doing so should fall where they should. The Minister for the Environment, Community and Local Government has asked Dublin City Council to do all in its powers to achieve the objective and has asked his Department to continue to liaise with the council in this regard.

Photo of Mary Lou McDonaldMary Lou McDonald (Dublin Central, Sinn Fein)
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The Tánaiste should know dodging answering questions with the kind of inaccurate waffle he delivered at the beginning of his response is unedifying.

Photo of Pat DeeringPat Deering (Carlow-Kilkenny, Fine Gael)
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It is the truth.

(Interruptions).

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Ceann Comhairle; Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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The Deputy is entitled to a reply.

(Interruptions).

Photo of Mary Lou McDonaldMary Lou McDonald (Dublin Central, Sinn Fein)
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It is a bit ironic that the man who lectures on respectability comes from an outfit that was very close to North Korea and was quite adept at running off dodgy fivers.

Photo of Jerry ButtimerJerry Buttimer (Cork South Central, Fine Gael)
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What about Colombia?

Photo of Mary Lou McDonaldMary Lou McDonald (Dublin Central, Sinn Fein)
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The Tánaiste might remember his own past too.

(Interruptions).

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Ceann Comhairle; Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Can I have some order please for the Deputy?

Photo of Mary Lou McDonaldMary Lou McDonald (Dublin Central, Sinn Fein)
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The Tánaiste did not answer the question as to why the Minister for the Environment, Community and Local Government, Deputy Hogan, refuses to meet with the Priory Hall residents.

Photo of Finian McGrathFinian McGrath (Dublin North Central, Independent)
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He is dodging again.

Photo of Mary Lou McDonaldMary Lou McDonald (Dublin Central, Sinn Fein)
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The Tánaiste claims there is a priority and an urgency around making these homes safe, with which I agree. However, there is no signal of urgency on the part of the Government. This contrasts sharply with the urgency with which it moved a statutory instrument to award over €17,000 extra to the Minister of State for housing and planning, Deputy Jan O'Sullivan, for the glory of her attending Cabinet meetings which is actually part of her job description.

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Ceann Comhairle; Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Can I have your question Deputy as you are over time?

Photo of Jerry ButtimerJerry Buttimer (Cork South Central, Fine Gael)
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What about Sinn Féin's Westminster expenses?

Photo of Michael McCarthyMichael McCarthy (Cork South West, Labour)
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What about Sinn Féin fund-raising?

Photo of Jerry ButtimerJerry Buttimer (Cork South Central, Fine Gael)
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Deputy Mac Lochlainn is quiet now.

(Interruptions).

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Ceann Comhairle; Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Can I have your question Deputy as you are over time?

Photo of Jerry ButtimerJerry Buttimer (Cork South Central, Fine Gael)
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You are quiet now Pádraig.

Photo of Mary Lou McDonaldMary Lou McDonald (Dublin Central, Sinn Fein)
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When will the Minister for the Environment, Community and Local Government, Deputy Hogan-----

Photo of Jerry ButtimerJerry Buttimer (Cork South Central, Fine Gael)
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You are quiet now Pádraig.

Photo of Emmet StaggEmmet Stagg (Kildare North, Labour)
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They take the Queen's shilling all right.

Photo of Pádraig Mac LochlainnPádraig Mac Lochlainn (Donegal North East, Sinn Fein)
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Calm down Jerry.

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Ceann Comhairle; Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Will the Sinn Féin Members give their deputy leader a chance?

Photo of Mary Lou McDonaldMary Lou McDonald (Dublin Central, Sinn Fein)
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When will the Minister for the Environment, Community and Local Government, Deputy Hogan, meet with the residents concerned? What proactive strategy has the Government to address the issues at hand? Much as with the previous question on waste management in Dublin city, it is not acceptable for the Minister for the Environment, Community and Local Government, Deputy Hogan, to take two steps back and wash his hands of these important matters. Can we have a straight answer to when he will meet with the Priory Hall residents?

Photo of Eamon GilmoreEamon Gilmore (Tánaiste; Minister, Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade; Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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The Minister of State with responsibility for housing and planning, Deputy Jan O'Sullivan, has met with the residents of Priory Hall and is actively involved in dealing with this with Dublin City Council. She will meet again with the residents if that is necessary. The Government has considered the significantly difficult set of circumstances the residents of Priory Hall have found themselves in as a result of the appalling actions of the developer. That is where this problem------

Photo of Mary Lou McDonaldMary Lou McDonald (Dublin Central, Sinn Fein)
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As a result of no regulation.

Photo of Brendan HowlinBrendan Howlin (Minister, Department of Public Expenditure and Reform; Wexford, Labour)
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It was the developer.

Photo of Kathleen LynchKathleen Lynch (Cork North Central, Labour)
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It is a disgrace.

Photo of Pádraig Mac LochlainnPádraig Mac Lochlainn (Donegal North East, Sinn Fein)
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It was down to no regulation.

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Ceann Comhairle; Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Will Deputy Mac Lochlainn allow the answer to the question? We are over time as it is.

Photo of Eamon GilmoreEamon Gilmore (Tánaiste; Minister, Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade; Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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The Government will not carry the can for dodgy developers irrespective of with whom they have been associated.

Photo of Mary Lou McDonaldMary Lou McDonald (Dublin Central, Sinn Fein)
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And neither will we.

Photo of Eamon GilmoreEamon Gilmore (Tánaiste; Minister, Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade; Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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Sinn Féin is closer to him than anyone in the Government.

Photo of Pádraig Mac LochlainnPádraig Mac Lochlainn (Donegal North East, Sinn Fein)
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Anthony McIntyre is his agent. Is he a friend of Sinn Féin?

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Ceann Comhairle; Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Would you stay quiet, please?

Photo of Eamon GilmoreEamon Gilmore (Tánaiste; Minister, Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade; Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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The residents in this estate have a significant problem that needs to be addressed. There is a court action which is related to it which must take its own course. In the meantime, the Minister of State with responsibility for housing and planning, Deputy Jan O'Sullivan, is dealing with this issue. She has met with the residents of Priory Hall and will do so again. She is in touch with Dublin City Council on the issue. The Government will do everything it possibly can to get this issue resolved, the residents of Priory Hall back into their homes as quickly as possible-----

Photo of Mary Lou McDonaldMary Lou McDonald (Dublin Central, Sinn Fein)
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Except the Minister for the Environment, Community and Local Government will not meet the residents.

Photo of Eamon GilmoreEamon Gilmore (Tánaiste; Minister, Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade; Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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No, that is not the case.

Photo of Mary Lou McDonaldMary Lou McDonald (Dublin Central, Sinn Fein)
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Will you answer my question then?

Photo of Eamon GilmoreEamon Gilmore (Tánaiste; Minister, Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade; Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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Deputy McDonald seems to be more interested in what the Minister is doing than she is in the residents.

Photo of Jerry ButtimerJerry Buttimer (Cork South Central, Fine Gael)
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Hear, hear.

Photo of Eamon GilmoreEamon Gilmore (Tánaiste; Minister, Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade; Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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The Government is interested in getting the residents of this estate back into their homes as quickly as possible. The Minister of State for housing and planning is dealing with that.

Photo of Finian McGrathFinian McGrath (Dublin North Central, Independent)
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The residents want to meet the Minister for the Environment, Community and Local Government. That is the crux.

Photo of Joe HigginsJoe Higgins (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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Can I return to the lead item on many news programmes this morning with the residents of our capital city being bullied and blackmailed by the private waste collection company, Greyhound? Greyhound, let us remember, was handed a contract for a crucial public service in our city just a couple of weeks ago. I ask the Tánaiste why, when questioned about the issue this morning, he adopted the demeanour of a previous Taoiseach who addressed questions about problems as if they existed on another planet.

Photo of Eric ByrneEric Byrne (Dublin South Central, Labour)
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Deputy Higgins told people they should not pay.

Photo of Joe HigginsJoe Higgins (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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Does the Tánaiste agree that, on the contrary, he should feel ashamed, diminished and humiliated as a result of this action?

Photo of Eric ByrneEric Byrne (Dublin South Central, Labour)
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Deputy Higgins should be a happy man now.

Photo of Joe HigginsJoe Higgins (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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The reason I ask him about his responsibility for this situation is because he is the leader of the Labour Party. A member of his party occupies the position of Lord Mayor of Dublin. His party has 19 out of 52 councillors, which is the biggest group by far.

Photo of Emmet StaggEmmet Stagg (Kildare North, Labour)
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And growing.

Photo of Joe HigginsJoe Higgins (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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He is also Tánaiste of this State and with his Fine Gael allies he has a crushing majority on Dublin City Council.

Photo of Eric ByrneEric Byrne (Dublin South Central, Labour)
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The Deputy misled 18,000 people. He should apologise to them.

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Ceann Comhairle; Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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A question, please.

Photo of Joe HigginsJoe Higgins (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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In view of that, does it sit well with the Tánaiste that he has presided over the privatisation of this crucial public service-----

Photo of Eric ByrneEric Byrne (Dublin South Central, Labour)
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That is all due to Deputy Higgins.

Photo of Joe HigginsJoe Higgins (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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-----and handed it to a company which has moved its corporate centre to an offshore island so that it does not need to publish its profits-----

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Ceann Comhairle; Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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We are over time.

Photo of Brendan HowlinBrendan Howlin (Minister, Department of Public Expenditure and Reform; Wexford, Labour)
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We are way over time.

Photo of Joe HigginsJoe Higgins (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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-----and can arrogantly treat the hard-pressed citizens of our capital city in this manner? The Tánaiste is acquiescing in a cringing fashion to the troika's demand for massive privatisation in our bigger public services and State agencies but does this debacle give him pause for thought before creating further debacles? What is the Labour Party going to do today to resolve this problem for the people of Dublin and guarantee them the proper public service that previous local authorities provided as long ago as Victorian days?

Photo of Kevin HumphreysKevin Humphreys (Dublin South East, Labour)
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Without Deputy Higgins undermining them.

Photo of Eamon GilmoreEamon Gilmore (Tánaiste; Minister, Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade; Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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I have no difficulty-----

Photo of Finian McGrathFinian McGrath (Dublin North Central, Independent)
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Answer that one, Deputy Humphreys.

Photo of Kevin HumphreysKevin Humphreys (Dublin South East, Labour)
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No problem.

Photo of Eric ByrneEric Byrne (Dublin South Central, Labour)
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Listen to the reply now. The Deputy told them not to pay.

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Ceann Comhairle; Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Deputies, please.

Photo of Eric ByrneEric Byrne (Dublin South Central, Labour)
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I apologise.

Photo of Eamon GilmoreEamon Gilmore (Tánaiste; Minister, Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade; Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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I have no difficulty in discharging my responsibilities but Deputy Higgins has a bit of responsibility himself.

Deputies:

Hear, hear.

Photo of Eamon GilmoreEamon Gilmore (Tánaiste; Minister, Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade; Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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He spent years going around this city to encourage people not to pay their charges to Dublin City Council and the other local authorities.

Deputies:

Hear, hear.

Photo of Joan CollinsJoan Collins (Dublin South Central, People Before Profit Alliance)
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Here we go.

Photo of Willie O'DeaWillie O'Dea (Limerick City, Fianna Fail)
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What about all the Labour councillors who opposed it?

Photo of Eamon GilmoreEamon Gilmore (Tánaiste; Minister, Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade; Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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I will repeat it for the Deputy.

Photo of Joe HigginsJoe Higgins (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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I heard the remark but the Tánaiste's chorus came in at the wrong time.

Photo of Eamon GilmoreEamon Gilmore (Tánaiste; Minister, Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade; Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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The Deputy spent years encouraging people not to pay their bin charges to Dublin City Council and other local authorities and as a consequence undermined the viability of the service being provided by the local authorities.

Deputies:

Hear, hear.

Photo of Eamon GilmoreEamon Gilmore (Tánaiste; Minister, Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade; Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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Consequently the service ended up being privatised.

Photo of Michael McCarthyMichael McCarthy (Cork South West, Labour)
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Disgraceful.

Photo of Eamon GilmoreEamon Gilmore (Tánaiste; Minister, Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade; Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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I have always been amazed that when Deputy Higgins was going around the city with his mates to encourage people not to pay their charges to the city council and council charges I never heard him arguing they should not pay their charges to the private collectors who were competing with the local authorities.

Photo of Eric ByrneEric Byrne (Dublin South Central, Labour)
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That is right.

Photo of Eamon GilmoreEamon Gilmore (Tánaiste; Minister, Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade; Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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He did more to undermine the public service that was being provided by the public authorities in Dublin than anybody else.

Deputies:

Hear, hear.

Photo of Eamon GilmoreEamon Gilmore (Tánaiste; Minister, Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade; Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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He should not be surprised now if the consequence of his actions is that Dublin City Council and the other local authorities ended up privatising their services.

In respect of this privatisation and the transfer of services to a private company, there have been big problems in the transition. I have already stated that 18,000 householders are experiencing difficulties with their waste collection service. That is being dealt with. The Minister for the Environment, Community and Local Government has clearly stated his position on it and I set out the Government's position this morning. That company should exercise flexibility at this point in time in respect of the collection of the waste and arrangements for payment. I have also made it clear that, in the event of this not happening, the Government has indicated its alternative approach to the future of the waste collection service.

The Government is discharging its responsibilities for this matter and it is time that Deputy Higgins took some responsibility for his own actions and the consequences of his role in the privatisation of the bin collection service.

Photo of Dessie EllisDessie Ellis (Dublin North West, Sinn Fein)
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Did the Labour Party councillors vote for it?

Photo of Eric ByrneEric Byrne (Dublin South Central, Labour)
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Deputy Ellis never paid his bin charges.

Photo of Dessie EllisDessie Ellis (Dublin North West, Sinn Fein)
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I certainly have not.

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Ceann Comhairle; Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Would you mind-----

Photo of Dessie EllisDessie Ellis (Dublin North West, Sinn Fein)
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They voted on the basis of giving a waiver. Poor people and senior citizens were betrayed by the Labour Party.

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Ceann Comhairle; Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Deputy Ellis-----

Photo of Dessie EllisDessie Ellis (Dublin North West, Sinn Fein)
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I remember where they stood on charges. Their own leader opposed them at the time.

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Ceann Comhairle; Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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-----address matters through the Chair, please, or else you can do it outside.

Photo of Dessie EllisDessie Ellis (Dublin North West, Sinn Fein)
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I cannot listen to this without-----

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Ceann Comhairle; Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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The Deputy will have to learn to listen.

Photo of Aodhán Ó RíordáinAodhán Ó Ríordáin (Dublin North Central, Labour)
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Sinn Féin voted for bin charges.

Photo of Dessie EllisDessie Ellis (Dublin North West, Sinn Fein)
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I never did.

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Ceann Comhairle; Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Deputies, please allow Deputy Higgins his right to reply. We live in a democracy.

Photo of Paul KehoePaul Kehoe (Minister of State and Government Chief Whip, Department of An Taoiseach; Wexford, Fine Gael)
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They did a lot of damage elsewhere.

Photo of Joe HigginsJoe Higgins (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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I knew the Tánaiste would try to divert the question in exactly the way he did.

Photo of Arthur SpringArthur Spring (Kerry North-West Limerick, Labour)
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So clever.

Photo of Brendan HowlinBrendan Howlin (Minister, Department of Public Expenditure and Reform; Wexford, Labour)
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Does he have a script?

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Ceann Comhairle; Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Please Deputies, this is not funny.

Photo of Joe HigginsJoe Higgins (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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For this reason-----

Photo of Bernard DurkanBernard Durkan (Kildare North, Fine Gael)
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The Ceann Comhairle is right.

Photo of Joe HigginsJoe Higgins (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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-----I refer to what does not lie, namely, the history of this issue. There was a fresh faced councillor in Dún Laoghaire in the 1980s-----

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Deputy Boyd Barrett.

Photo of Joe HigginsJoe Higgins (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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-----who put out a statement that he was the first councillor in the country to propose and win the abolition of the water rates. The same councillor, in a new manifestation-----

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Ceann Comhairle; Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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The Deputy is supposed to be asking a supplementary question not giving a lecture on history.

Photo of Joe HigginsJoe Higgins (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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-----in Democratic Left in the late 1980s and early 1990s-----

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Ceann Comhairle; Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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I am well aware of the history of Deputy Gilmore. I worked with him long enough. Would you mind asking your supplementary question?

Photo of Jerry ButtimerJerry Buttimer (Cork South Central, Fine Gael)
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Ask Deputy Finian McGrath to rewrite it.

Photo of Joe HigginsJoe Higgins (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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Seriously-----

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Ceann Comhairle; Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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I am very serious but this is a supplementary question lasting one minute.

Photo of Paul KehoePaul Kehoe (Minister of State and Government Chief Whip, Department of An Taoiseach; Wexford, Fine Gael)
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Maybe ask Deputy Joan Collins for another line.

Photo of Joe HigginsJoe Higgins (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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It is impossible to focus on an issue in a meaningful way when the various choruses constantly try to throw me off.

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If you cannot stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Ceann Comhairle; Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Please.

Photo of Joe HigginsJoe Higgins (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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Deputy Stagg, I know that you-----

Photo of Emmet StaggEmmet Stagg (Kildare North, Labour)
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Heat and kitchens.

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Ceann Comhairle; Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Please, we have had enough of this.

Photo of Joe HigginsJoe Higgins (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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His thwarted political ambitions have a lot more to do with his outbursts here than anything I can say.

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Ceann Comhairle; Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Deputy Higgins, through the Chair please.

Photo of Joe HigginsJoe Higgins (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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He made your seat in 1987 in campaigns against the local rates.

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Ceann Comhairle; Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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I am going to call an end to this if the Deputy does not conclude.

Photo of Joe HigginsJoe Higgins (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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In a new reincarnation, Democratic Left-----

Photo of Brendan HowlinBrendan Howlin (Minister, Department of Public Expenditure and Reform; Wexford, Labour)
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In 1872.

Photo of Joe HigginsJoe Higgins (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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-----he stated that the PAYE taxpayers whom his party represented had already paid enough tax for local services and should not have to pay again. Fast forward to 2003 and Deputy Gilmore-----

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Ceann Comhairle; Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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The Deputy is way over time.

Photo of Joe HigginsJoe Higgins (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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-----as Labour Party spokesperson on the environment, stated-----

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Ceann Comhairle; Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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I am not interested in quotations.

Photo of Brendan HowlinBrendan Howlin (Minister, Department of Public Expenditure and Reform; Wexford, Labour)
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It is a mini-series.

Photo of Joe HigginsJoe Higgins (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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-----that by further introducing a measure-----

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Ceann Comhairle; Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Deputy, please ask a supplementary question.

Photo of Joe HigginsJoe Higgins (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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How can I ask my question-----

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Ceann Comhairle; Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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The Deputy is nearly three minutes over.

Photo of Joe HigginsJoe Higgins (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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-----when the baying hyenas over there-----

Photo of Martin HeydonMartin Heydon (Kildare South, Fine Gael)
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Ask a question.

Photo of Joe HigginsJoe Higgins (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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I would be finished-----

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Ceann Comhairle; Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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We are three minutes over time.

Photo of Joe HigginsJoe Higgins (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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With respect-----

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Ceann Comhairle; Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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What is the Deputy's supplementary question?

Photo of Joe HigginsJoe Higgins (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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-----the Ceann Comhairle is supposed to protect my rights.

11:00 am

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Ceann Comhairle; Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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I am trying to protect them but if the Deputy started addressing-----

Photo of Joe HigginsJoe Higgins (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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The fact is that the baying hyenas in the Labour Party put me off all the time. I cannot-----

Photo of John LyonsJohn Lyons (Dublin North West, Labour)
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Would the Deputy ask his question?

A Deputy:

Like the handball against the haystack.

Photo of Joe HigginsJoe Higgins (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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I put to the Tánaiste his words to the then Minister in 2003.

Photo of Michael McGrathMichael McGrath (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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They do not want to hear it.

Photo of Joe HigginsJoe Higgins (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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He said that by further introducing a measure to make it legal for local authorities to refuse collections to households which had not paid, the then Minister, Mr. Cullen, was introducing a compulsory bin tax.

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Ceann Comhairle; Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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The Deputy is over time.

Photo of Joe HigginsJoe Higgins (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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He said that the Labour Party would oppose the new proposal and-----

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That is the end of it. I call the Tánaiste to reply.

Photo of Joe HigginsJoe Higgins (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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-----that it was opposed to back door taxation.

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Ceann Comhairle; Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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I ask the Deputy to resume his seat, please. I call on the Tánaiste to reply.

Photo of Joe HigginsJoe Higgins (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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By 2003 the vast majority of-----

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I asked the Deputy to resume his seat.

Photo of Joe HigginsJoe Higgins (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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-----those authorities had privatised their refuse services.

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Ceann Comhairle; Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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The Deputy should have some respect for the Chair.

Photo of Eamon GilmoreEamon Gilmore (Tánaiste; Minister, Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade; Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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This is February 2012 and 18,000 householders in this city are having difficulty having their refuse collected. A problem has arisen following the arrangements made by the management of Dublin City Council. That is the problem that needs to be resolved. Deputy Higgins should take his head out of the archives and get real about-----

(Interruptions).

Photo of Joe HigginsJoe Higgins (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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It is a policy for the Labour Party-----

Photo of Timmy DooleyTimmy Dooley (Clare, Fianna Fail)
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The Tánaiste relied on them a fair bit over the years.

Photo of Eamon GilmoreEamon Gilmore (Tánaiste; Minister, Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade; Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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-----the problems people have in the here and now. There is a problem in Dublin city in the here and now, and that is the problem the Minister for the Environment, Community and Local Government is dealing with.

Photo of Mary Lou McDonaldMary Lou McDonald (Dublin Central, Sinn Fein)
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He is not dealing with it.

Photo of Eamon GilmoreEamon Gilmore (Tánaiste; Minister, Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade; Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
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That is the problem the Government is dealing with. We have stated the approach we are taking and that is what we will concentrate on getting resolved so that the people in this city can have their waste collected with a reasonable arrangement in place for the collection of the charges that apply to it.

Photo of Dessie EllisDessie Ellis (Dublin North West, Sinn Fein)
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Will there be a waiver for some of them?