Dáil debates

Wednesday, 9 November 2011

10:30 am

Photo of Enda KennyEnda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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It is proposed to take No. 5, Competition (Amendment) Bill 2011 - Second Stage (resumed), and No. 11, Energy (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2011 - Second Stage (resumed). Private Members' business shall be No. 30, motion re promissory notes (resumed), to conclude at 9 p.m. if not previously concluded.

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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There are no proposals to put to the House.

Photo of Micheál MartinMicheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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With regard to the Debt Settlement and Mortgage Resolution Office Bill, we know the seriousness and profundity of mortgage arrears. The Taoiseach stated he would welcome proposals from this side of the House. Deputy Michael McGrath's Bill is now with the Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality. Does the Government intend to support the progression of that Bill rapidly through the Oireachtas and support its provisions in a genuine spirit of bipartisanship in regard to the very serious issue facing many mortgage holders across the country?

Photo of Enda KennyEnda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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Some of the issues raised in Deputy McGrath's Bill are valid. What I want to do is have as comprehensive a response as possible to what is a very uncertain and pressurised time for those caught in the trap referred to. As I stated yesterday, I must consider the personal insolvency Bill and whether mortgages should be encompassed thereby, the conclusion or decisions to be made arising from the Keane report, and the proposals that have been taken into account by the personnel appointed by the Minister for Finance. While Deputy Michael McGrath made a genuine effort and some of his proposals are worthy, I need as comprehensive a response as possible from the Government.

Photo of Caoimhghín Ó CaoláinCaoimhghín Ó Caoláin (Cavan-Monaghan, Sinn Fein)
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Will there be a legislative response, in addition to a political one, to the Priory Hall scandal? Will legislation be brought forward by the Government to provide for real building control, proper monitoring and inspection? I noted that the Minister for the Environment, Community and Local Government indicated a robust system of controls exists-----

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Is this on promised legislation?

Photo of Caoimhghín Ó CaoláinCaoimhghín Ó Caoláin (Cavan-Monaghan, Sinn Fein)
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-----but that is clearly not the case. What we need is a robust system of controls with inspection and monitoring.

My last point-----

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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We are talking about promised legislation.

Photo of Caoimhghín Ó CaoláinCaoimhghín Ó Caoláin (Cavan-Monaghan, Sinn Fein)
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I hope it is about promised legislation because this area is quite clearly crying out for it. What we are looking at is virtual self-regulation. The Priory Hall case is probably but one example of a problem that needs-----

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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The Deputy should table a parliamentary question on this.

Photo of Caoimhghín Ó CaoláinCaoimhghín Ó Caoláin (Cavan-Monaghan, Sinn Fein)
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-----to be addressed. Will the Taoiseach respond? Will he indicate that the Government intends to do so? What is happening currently is not enough.

Last, will the Taoiseach please ask the Minister-----

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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This is not an extension of Leaders' Questions; it is the Order of Business.

Photo of Caoimhghín Ó CaoláinCaoimhghín Ó Caoláin (Cavan-Monaghan, Sinn Fein)
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I accept that.

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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I must, therefore, pull the Deputy up. I want to know whether there is promised legislation in this area.

Photo of Caoimhghín Ó CaoláinCaoimhghín Ó Caoláin (Cavan-Monaghan, Sinn Fein)
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Will the Taoiseach ask the Minister to intervene where Dublin City Council is likely to appeal the decision of the High Court in respect of the latter's decision to instruct the council-----

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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I ask the Deputy to resume his seat.

Photo of Caoimhghín Ó CaoláinCaoimhghín Ó Caoláin (Cavan-Monaghan, Sinn Fein)
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-----to provide accommodation to all the evacuees, without exception?

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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I would appreciate the Deputy's co-operation and I ask him to resume his seat. Is there promised legislation in this area?

11:00 am

Photo of Enda KennyEnda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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Bearing in mind the existing legislation, the building control legislation, what is needed here is an analysis of the quality of the standards and regulation that apply. Light regulation has not worked.

I understand NAMA has made a provision for some temporary accommodation for those families who have been displaced because of the complete shambles the builder in question put in place. The Minister for the Environment, Community and Local Government is concerned about this and is available to talk to Dublin City Council if it so wishes. What is needed here is an analysis of the quality, standards and regulations already contained the building control legislation to deal with cases like this.

Photo of Joe HigginsJoe Higgins (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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Will the Taoiseach vary the business of the House this morning to allow a motion to be put before the Dáil calling on the Israeli authorities to immediately release 14 of our citizens-----

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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That is not a matter on the Order of Business.

Photo of Joe HigginsJoe Higgins (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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-----who were kidnapped by the Israelis in international waters bringing aid to the imprisoned people of Gaza?

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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That is not a matter on the Order of Business.

Photo of Joe HigginsJoe Higgins (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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The embassy staff are doing their best but where is the political outrage from the Irish Government-----

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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The Deputy is out of order. This is not on the Order of Business.

Photo of Joe HigginsJoe Higgins (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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-----about this highly illegal act of kidnapping citizens while embarked on a peaceful mission?

A Deputy:

They are coming home today.

Photo of Joe HigginsJoe Higgins (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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Will the Taoiseach vary the business of the House now?

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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This is not a matter for the Order of Business. The business for today has been agreed. This is not in order. I call Deputy Michael McGrath.

Photo of Joe HigginsJoe Higgins (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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A Cheann Comhairle-----

Photo of Richard Boyd BarrettRichard Boyd Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, People Before Profit Alliance)
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A Cheann Comhairle, I had my hand up.

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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No. Settle down.

Photo of Pádraig Mac LochlainnPádraig Mac Lochlainn (Donegal North East, Sinn Fein)
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Can we have a simple statement in reply?

Photo of Richard Boyd BarrettRichard Boyd Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, People Before Profit Alliance)
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A Cheann Comhairle-----

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Will the Deputy resume his seat? I have ruled on the matter. It is not in order on the Order of Business. If the Deputy wants to put a request in another way, we will consider it.

Photo of Bernard DurkanBernard Durkan (Kildare North, Fine Gael)
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He should submit a matter for the Topical Issue Debate.

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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I call Deputy McGrath.

Photo of Joe HigginsJoe Higgins (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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It is in the hands of the Taoiseach to vary the business of the House, as the Ceann Comhairle well knows. Where is the Labour Party-----

A Deputy:

They are coming home today.

Photo of Richard Boyd BarrettRichard Boyd Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, People Before Profit Alliance)
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Are they coming home today? Does the Deputy know that?

Photo of Emmet StaggEmmet Stagg (Kildare North, Labour)
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They are. You have nothing to complain about. Maybe they will stay at home for a short while.

(Interruptions).

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Deputy Boyd Barrett, there are 166 Deputies and you are one of them. Resume your seat.

(Interruptions).

Photo of Michael McGrathMichael McGrath (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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I cannot be heard. There is no point in my speaking as I will not be heard.

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Deputy Mac Lochlainn, you will be taking a walk if you do not obey the orders of the House.

Photo of Pádraig Mac LochlainnPádraig Mac Lochlainn (Donegal North East, Sinn Fein)
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A Cheann Comhairle, on a point of order-----

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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There is no point of order. I call Deputy McGrath.

Photo of Pádraig Mac LochlainnPádraig Mac Lochlainn (Donegal North East, Sinn Fein)
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The Whip of the Labour Party has made a statement-----

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Excuse me, Deputy, you should address the Chair in a proper fashion. You should not shout and roar when another Deputy has been called. Please stay quiet. Deputy McGrath to proceed.

Photo of Pádraig Mac LochlainnPádraig Mac Lochlainn (Donegal North East, Sinn Fein)
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I will quote Deputy Stagg on that statement.

Photo of Michael McGrathMichael McGrath (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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When this House debated the Keane report some weeks ago, we were informed at the end of that debate that the Government's implementation plan for measures following on from that report and other decisions would be announced and set out for the Dáil, but that has not happened yet. Has the Government made any decision on the recommendations of the Keane report and when will we see legislation on this? The Taoiseach's comments yesterday and today imply he will await the personal insolvency Bill from the Government. There are more immediate actions that can be taken. Have any decisions been taken and, if so, when will they be made available to the House?

Photo of Enda KennyEnda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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I am acutely aware of the difficulty that this causes. The Government appointed a group to take other proposals in respect of mortgages and the distress this is causing for people. Those hearings have been taking place.

Photo of Michael McGrathMichael McGrath (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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What group is this?

Photo of Enda KennyEnda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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We have to make a decision in respect of the personal insolvency Bill which is quite a complex one and that is a fundamental part of the entire mortgage issue.

Photo of Michael McGrathMichael McGrath (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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Is this another group that is separate from the Keane group?

Photo of Enda KennyEnda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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The heads of that Bill will be decided upon as quickly as we can do so. From the evidence available, there are 50,000 or 60,000 cases in difficulty with mortgages. We cannot overturn the situation just like that. It takes some time to get it right. The Government is correct in its view that what we should do is to take all the evidence we can into consideration and then make a comprehensive set of decisions, and fundamental to that will be the legislation. We will keep the Deputy informed on it.

Photo of Michael McGrathMichael McGrath (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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That is not due to be published until next year.

Photo of Enda KennyEnda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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I am acutely conscious of the difficulty this is causing for people. We also had interest rate reductions in recent days as well. It is the case that it will be brought back to the House but the Government has to make a decision on a range of issues and we would like to have those before us before we do that.

Photo of Michael McGrathMichael McGrath (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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So there is another round of consultations.

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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I call Deputy Boyd Barrett on a matter under promised legislation.

Photo of Richard Boyd BarrettRichard Boyd Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, People Before Profit Alliance)
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The Taoiseach has the right to vary the Order of Business in the Dáil. I appeal to him to re-order today's business-----

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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The Deputy is out of order. Has he a matter to raise under promised legislation? We have dealt with that issue and I have told the Deputy the position.

Photo of Richard Boyd BarrettRichard Boyd Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, People Before Profit Alliance)
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-----to allow for a debate about 14 Irish citizens-----

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Deputy, will you please resume your seat?

Photo of Richard Boyd BarrettRichard Boyd Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, People Before Profit Alliance)
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-----who have been illegally kidnapped, shackled and denied their legal rights-----

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Deputy, will you resume your seat?

Photo of Richard Boyd BarrettRichard Boyd Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, People Before Profit Alliance)
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-----while trying to bring aid to the people of Gaza. The Irish Government, the Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs and Trade in particular, have said nothing about our citizens being humiliated and abused.

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Deputy, resume your seat or else you will leave the House. I call Deputy Nulty.

Photo of Richard Boyd BarrettRichard Boyd Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, People Before Profit Alliance)
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I appeal to the Taoiseach to allow a discussion on this issue.

Photo of Pádraig Mac LochlainnPádraig Mac Lochlainn (Donegal North East, Sinn Fein)
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Has the Taoiseach nothing to say on this issue?

Photo of Joe HigginsJoe Higgins (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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Why is the Taoiseach not-----

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Will the Deputies please show respect?

Photo of Pádraig Mac LochlainnPádraig Mac Lochlainn (Donegal North East, Sinn Fein)
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Deputy Emmet Stagg, the Whip of the Labour Party, is speaking for the Taoiseach. He reckons they are being released today. Will the Taoiseach confirm that?

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Deputy Mac Lochlainn, will you please show respect for a new Deputy?

Photo of Pádraig Mac LochlainnPádraig Mac Lochlainn (Donegal North East, Sinn Fein)
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Deputy Stagg is representing the Taoiseach.

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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I have called Deputy Nulty.

Photo of Pádraig Mac LochlainnPádraig Mac Lochlainn (Donegal North East, Sinn Fein)
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Deputy Emmet Stagg said that they are being released today. Will the Taoiseach confirm that?

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Deputy Mac Lochlainn will take a walk if he is not careful. Deputy Nulty to proceed without interruption.

(Interruptions).

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Will the Deputy please show respect to a new Deputy? Deputy Nulty is very welcome.

Photo of Patrick NultyPatrick Nulty (Dublin West, Labour)
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I thank the Ceann Comhairle. Under promised legislation, will the Taoiseach indicate when we can expect to see the industrial relations (amendment) Bill before the House? This is vital legislation to give protection to workers on low pay and which must contain assurances that their pay will be secured, which is key to economic growth. Also, when can we expect to see the landlord and tenant (business leases review) Bill to address the issue of upward-only rent reviews, which is also crucial to keeping business afloat and our workers in employment?

Photo of Enda KennyEnda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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I welcome Deputy Nulty. I can confirm that a great deal of work has been done on the industrial relations (amendment) Bill and the landlords and tenants (business leases review) Bill and they are both expected to be published in this session.

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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That completes the Order of Business for today.

Photo of Joe HigginsJoe Higgins (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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A Cheann Comhairle, may I raise a point of order?

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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The Order of Business is complete. We will now move on to the Competition (Amendment) Bill 2011.

Photo of Joe HigginsJoe Higgins (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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On a point of order, a Cheann Comhairle-----

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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What is your point of order?

Photo of Joe HigginsJoe Higgins (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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With respect, the Taoiseach is in charge of the business of the Dáil and he can vary that business to take a motion-----

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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He has made his decision.

Photo of Joe HigginsJoe Higgins (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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The Ceann Comhairle did not even ask him to respond to our requests.

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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There was no motion to put to the House. The Taoiseach ordered legislation that has already been discussed and therefore there is no motion to put to the House. The Deputy is out of order and I ask him to resume his seat.

Photo of Joe HigginsJoe Higgins (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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Yes, but we asked him to vary the business to allow a motion proposing the release of 14 of our citizens to be entertained immediately here. The Ceann Comhairle did not ask him to respond to that.

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Will the Deputy please resume his seat? There are other ways of raising these issues-----

Photo of Joe HigginsJoe Higgins (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
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Would the Taoiseach like to reply?

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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-----including parliamentary questions and so on. There are many ways the Deputy can be in order.

Photo of Richard Boyd BarrettRichard Boyd Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, People Before Profit Alliance)
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We have been humiliated by the troika and now humiliated by Israel. It is a disgrace, Taoiseach.