Dáil debates
Wednesday, 8 December 2010
Social Welfare Bill 2010: Order for Second Stage
6:00 am
Éamon Ó Cuív (Galway West, Fianna Fail)
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Tairgim: "Go dtógfar an Dara Céim anois."
Michael Ring (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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On a point of order, I oppose the Order for Second Stage.
Séamus Kirk (Louth, Ceann Comhairle)
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I should explain that the Minister formally moves the Order for Second Stage.
Michael Ring (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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I oppose the order. It is outrageous because this is the most important Bill to come before the House in the past number of years. This time last year the same thing happened.
Séamus Kirk (Louth, Ceann Comhairle)
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I will explain to the Deputy.
Michael Ring (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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I could make my point and the Ceann Comhairle could make his explanation then.
Séamus Kirk (Louth, Ceann Comhairle)
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It would help for me to explain first. The Deputy's contribution would be tailored as a consequence of having heard my explanation. This is a narrow procedural motion and cannot lead to a full debate on the Bill at this time. If the House agrees the motion we can move to the Bill.
Séamus Kirk (Louth, Ceann Comhairle)
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The Deputy would have ample opportunity at that stage to vent his frustration and put his feelings about the matter on record.
Michael Ring (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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We are opposing the taking of the Bill on the basis that our Members will not get enough time to discuss it. Backbenchers want to speak on it and are very upset because the time slots are inadequate. It is being guillotined by the Government despite the fact there are serious issues in the Bill that we need clarified. The Minister and Government should not guillotine the Bill as we want to give every Member on both sides of the House opportunity for discussion. We will oppose the taking of the Bill.
Paul Kehoe (Wexford, Fine Gael)
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As a teller, under Standing Orders, I propose that the vote be taken by other than electronic means to give the Deputies opposite an opportunity to vote with the Opposition and oppose the savage cuts in social welfare which so many of them spoke against on local radio this morning. I am offering them an opportunity to vote with the Opposition. The vote will proceed.
The Dail Divided:
For the motion: 80 (Bertie Ahern, Dermot Ahern, Noel Ahern, Barry Andrews, Chris Andrews, Seán Ardagh, Bobby Aylward, Joe Behan, Niall Blaney, Áine Brady, Cyprian Brady, Johnny Brady, John Browne, Thomas Byrne, Dara Calleary, Pat Carey, Niall Collins, Margaret Conlon, Seán Connick, Mary Coughlan, Brian Cowen, John Cregan, John Curran, Noel Dempsey, Jimmy Devins, Timmy Dooley, Frank Fahey, Michael Finneran, Michael Fitzpatrick, Seán Fleming, Beverley Flynn, Paul Gogarty, John Gormley, Mary Hanafin, Mary Harney, Seán Haughey, Jackie Healy-Rae, Máire Hoctor, Billy Kelleher, Peter Kelly, Brendan Kenneally, Michael Kennedy, Tony Killeen, Michael Kitt, Tom Kitt, Brian Lenihan Jnr, Conor Lenihan, Michael Lowry, Tom McEllistrim, Mattie McGrath, Michael McGrath, John McGuinness, Martin Mansergh, Micheál Martin, John Moloney, Michael Moynihan, Michael Mulcahy, M J Nolan, Éamon Ó Cuív, Seán Ó Fearghaíl, Darragh O'Brien, Charlie O'Connor, Willie O'Dea, John O'Donoghue, Noel O'Flynn, Rory O'Hanlon, Batt O'Keeffe, Ned O'Keeffe, Mary O'Rourke, Peter Power, Seán Power, Dick Roche, Eamon Ryan, Trevor Sargent, Eamon Scanlon, Brendan Smith, Noel Treacy, Mary Wallace, Mary White, Michael Woods)
Against the motion: 73 (Bernard Allen, Seán Barrett, Pat Breen, Tommy Broughan, Richard Bruton, Ulick Burke, Catherine Byrne, Joe Carey, Deirdre Clune, Paul Connaughton, Noel Coonan, Joe Costello, Simon Coveney, Seymour Crawford, Michael Creed, Lucinda Creighton, Michael D'Arcy, John Deasy, Jimmy Deenihan, Pearse Doherty, Andrew Doyle, Bernard Durkan, Damien English, Frank Feighan, Martin Ferris, Charles Flanagan, Terence Flanagan, Eamon Gilmore, Noel Grealish, Brian Hayes, Tom Hayes, Michael D Higgins, Phil Hogan, Brendan Howlin, Paul Kehoe, Enda Kenny, Ciarán Lynch, Kathleen Lynch, Pádraic McCormack, Shane McEntee, Dinny McGinley, Liz McManus, Olivia Mitchell, Arthur Morgan, Denis Naughten, Dan Neville, Michael Noonan, Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin, Aengus Ó Snodaigh, Kieran O'Donnell, Fergus O'Dowd, Jim O'Keeffe, John O'Mahony, Brian O'Shea, Jan O'Sullivan, Maureen O'Sullivan, Willie Penrose, John Perry, Ruairi Quinn, Pat Rabbitte, James Reilly, Michael Ring, Alan Shatter, Tom Sheahan, P J Sheehan, Seán Sherlock, Róisín Shortall, Emmet Stagg, David Stanton, Billy Timmins, Joanna Tuffy, Mary Upton, Jack Wall)
Tellers: Tá, Deputies John Cregan and John Curran; Níl, Deputies Paul Kehoe and Emmet Stagg
Question declared carried